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Redirects for discussion (RfD) is the place where potentially problematic redirects are discussed. Items usually stay listed for a week or so, after which they are deleted, kept, or retargeted.
- If you want to replace an unprotected redirect with an article, do not list it here. Turning redirects into articles is wholly encouraged. Be bold!
- If you want to move a page but a redirect is in the way, do not list it here. For non-controversial cases, place a technical request; if a discussion is required, then start a requested move.
- If you think a redirect points to the wrong target article, this is a good place to discuss what should be the proper target.
- Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links. Please do not use this as the only reason to delete a redirect. However, redirects that do have incoming links are sometimes deleted, so that is not a sufficient condition for keeping. (See § When should we delete a redirect? for more information.)
Please do not unilaterally rename or change the target of a redirect while it is under discussion. This adds unnecessary complication to the discussion for participants and closers.
Before listing a redirect for discussion[edit]
Please be aware of these general policies, which apply here as elsewhere:
- Wikipedia:Redirect – what redirects are, why they exist, and how they are used.
- Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion – which pages can be deleted without discussion; in particular the "General" and "Redirects" sections.
- Wikipedia:Deletion policy – how we delete things by consensus.
- Wikipedia:Guide to deletion – guidelines on discussion format and shorthand.
The guiding principles of RfD[edit]
- The purpose of a good redirect is to eliminate the possibility that readers will find themselves staring blankly at "Search results 1–10 out of 378" instead of the article they were looking for. If someone could plausibly enter the redirect's name when searching for the target article, it's a good redirect.
- Redirects are cheap. They take up little storage space and use very little bandwidth. It doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around. On the flip side, deleting redirects is also cheap because recording the deletion takes up little storage space and uses very little bandwidth. There is no harm in deleting problematic redirects.
- If a good-faith RfD nomination proposes to delete a redirect and has no discussion after at least 7 days, the default result is delete.
- Redirects nominated in contravention of Wikipedia:Redirect will be speedily kept.
- RfD can also serve as a central discussion forum for debates about which page a redirect should target. In cases where retargeting the redirect could be considered controversial, it is advisable to leave a notice on the talk page of the redirect's current target page or the proposed target page to refer readers to the redirect's nomination to allow input and help form consensus for the redirect's target.
- Requests for deletion of redirects from one page's talk page to another's do not need to be listed here. Anyone can remove the redirect by blanking the page. The G6 criterion for speedy deletion may be appropriate.
- In discussions, always ask yourself whether or not a redirect would be helpful to the reader.
When should we delete a redirect?[edit]
This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Redirect/Deletion reasons. (edit | history) |
The major reasons why deletion of redirects is harmful are:
- a redirect may contain non-trivial edit history;
- if a redirect is reasonably old (or is the result of moving a page that has been there for quite some time), then it is possible that its deletion will break incoming links (such links coming from older revisions of Wikipedia pages, from edit summaries, from other Wikimedia projects or from elsewhere on the internet, do not show up in "What links here").
Therefore consider the deletion only of either harmful redirects or of recent ones.
Reasons for deleting[edit]
You might want to delete a redirect if one or more of the following conditions is met (but note also the exceptions listed below this list):
- The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine. For example, if the user searches for "New Articles", and is redirected to a disambiguation page for "Articles", it would take much longer to get to the newly added articles on Wikipedia.
- The redirect might cause confusion. For example, if "Adam B. Smith" was redirected to "Andrew B. Smith", because Andrew was accidentally called Adam in one source, this could cause confusion with the article on Adam Smith, so the redirect should be deleted.
- The redirect is offensive or abusive, such as redirecting "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" to "Joe Bloggs" (unless "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" is legitimately discussed in the article), or "Joe Bloggs" to "Loser". (Speedy deletion criterion G10 and G3 may apply.) See also § Neutrality of redirects.
- The redirect constitutes self-promotion or spam. (Speedy deletion criterion G11 may apply.)
- The redirect makes no sense, such as redirecting "Apple" to "Orange". (Speedy deletion criterion G1 may apply.)
- It is a cross-namespace redirect out of article space, such as one pointing into the User or Wikipedia namespace. The major exception to this rule are the pseudo-namespace shortcut redirects, which technically are in the main article space. Some long-standing cross-namespace redirects are also kept because of their long-standing history and potential usefulness. "MOS:" redirects, for example, are an exception to this rule. (Note also the existence of namespace aliases such as WP:. Speedy deletion criterion R2 may apply if the target namespace is something other than Category:, Template:, Wikipedia:, Help:, or Portal:.)
- If the redirect is broken, meaning it redirects to an article that does not exist, it can be immediately deleted under speedy deletion criterion G8. You should check that there is not an alternative place it could be appropriately redirected to first and that it has not become broken through vandalism.
- If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target, it is unlikely to be useful. In particular, redirects in a language other than English to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created. (Implausible typos or misnomers are candidates for speedy deletion criterion R3, if recently created.)
- If the target article needs to be moved to the redirect title, but the redirect has been edited before and has a history of its own, then the title needs to be freed up to make way for the move. If the move is uncontroversial, tag the redirect for G6 speedy deletion, or alternatively (with the
suppressredirect
user right; available to page movers and admins), perform a round-robin move. If not, take the article to Requested moves. - If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject.
Reasons for not deleting[edit]
However, avoid deleting such redirects if:
- They have a potentially useful page history, or an edit history that should be kept to comply with the licensing requirements for a merge (see Wikipedia:Merge and delete). On the other hand, if the redirect was created by renaming a page with that name, and the page history just mentions the renaming, and for one of the reasons above you want to delete the page, copy the page history to the Talk page of the article it redirects to. The act of renaming is useful page history, and even more so if there has been discussion on the page name.
- They would aid accidental linking and make the creation of duplicate articles less likely, whether by redirecting a plural to a singular, by redirecting a frequent misspelling to a correct spelling, by redirecting a misnomer to a correct term, by redirecting to a synonym, etc. In other words, redirects with no incoming links are not candidates for deletion on those grounds because they are of benefit to the browsing user. Some extra vigilance by editors will be required to minimize the occurrence of those frequent misspellings in the article texts because the linkified misspellings will not appear as broken links; consider tagging the redirect with the {{R from misspelling}} template to assist editors in monitoring these misspellings.
- They aid searches on certain terms. For example, users who might see the "Keystone State" mentioned somewhere but do not know what that refers to will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania (target) article.
- Deleting redirects runs the risk of breaking incoming or internal links. For example, redirects resulting from page moves should not normally be deleted without good reason. Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including CamelCase links (e.g. WolVes) and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. See also Wikipedia:Link rot § Link rot on non-Wikimedia sites.
- Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways. Evidence of usage can be gauged by using the wikishark or pageviews tool on the redirect to see the number of views it gets.
- The redirect is to a closely related word form, such as a plural form to a singular form.
Neutrality of redirects[edit]
Just as article titles using non-neutral language are permitted in some circumstances, so are such redirects. Because redirects are less visible to readers, more latitude is allowed in their names, therefore perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is not a sufficient reason for their deletion. In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term. Non-neutral redirects may be tagged with {{R from non-neutral name}}
.
Non-neutral redirects are commonly created for three reasons:
- Articles that are created using non-neutral titles are routinely moved to a new neutral title, which leaves behind the old non-neutral title as a working redirect (e.g. Climategate → Climatic Research Unit email controversy).
- Articles created as POV forks may be deleted and replaced by a redirect pointing towards the article from which the fork originated (e.g. Barack Obama Muslim rumor → deleted and now redirected to Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories).
- The subject matter of articles may be represented by some sources outside Wikipedia in non-neutral terms. Such terms are generally avoided in Wikipedia article titles, per the words to avoid guidelines and the general neutral point of view policy. For instance the non-neutral expression "Attorneygate" is used to redirect to the neutrally titled Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy. The article in question has never used that title, but the redirect was created to provide an alternative means of reaching it because a number of press reports use the term.
The exceptions to this rule would be redirects that are not established terms and are unlikely to be useful, and therefore may be nominated for deletion, perhaps under deletion reason #3. However, if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, as it will facilitate searches on such terms. Please keep in mind that RfD is not the place to resolve most editorial disputes.
Closing notes[edit]
- Details at Administrator instructions for RfD
Nominations should remain open, per policy, about a week before they are closed, unless they meet the general criteria for speedy deletion, the criteria for speedy deletion of a redirect, or are not valid redirect discussion requests (e.g. are actually move requests).
How to list a redirect for discussion[edit]
STEP I. | Tag the redirect(s).
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STEP II. | List the entry on RfD.
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STEP III. | Notify users.
It is generally considered good practice to notify the creator and main contributors of the redirect(s) that you nominate. may be placed on the creator/main contributors' user talk page to provide notice of the discussion. Please replace RedirectName with the name of the respective creator/main contributors' redirect and use an edit summary such as: Notice of redirect discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]]
Notices about the RfD discussion may also be left on relevant talk pages. |
- Please consider using What links here to locate other redirects that may be related to the one you are nominating. After going to the redirect target page and selecting "What links here" in the toolbox on the left side of your computer screen, select both "Hide transclusions" and "Hide links" filters to display the redirects to the redirect target page.
If this page has been recently modified, it may not reflect the most recent changes. Please purge this page to view the most recent changes. |
Current list[edit]
June 29[edit]
Teri Chhaon Mein[edit]
Redirect seems to have been created as part of an effort to WP:GAME the system on article creation. Allan Nonymous (talk) 11:16, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
Raisi[edit]
- Raisi → Ebrahim Raisi (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Raisi (disambiguation) → Ebrahim Raisi (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
A quick explainer on the history of this redirect: Initially, Raisi had been a redirect to Raisi, Razavi Khorasan (an article about a tiny village). Later on, I moved the article to its present title, intending to disambiguate the base title. However, I then noticed that Raisi (disambiguation) already existed, so I made a request at WP:RM/TR, which was promptly fulfilled. Thus, Raisi became a dab page, with Raisi (disambiguation) a redirect to it. In the last chapter of this saga, IP user 2601:646:8003:6B20:894E:7841:319C:88CA redirected the page to Ebrahim Raisi, so the page Raisi (disambiguation) was automatically retargeted as well. However, since it has (disambiguation)
in the title, it's eligible for deletion under G14 if kept as is.
I see two (or maybe three) options out of this strange pickle:
- Firstly (and what I advocate), we could restore the dab page at Raisi, and retarget Raisi (disambiguation) to Raisi. This restores the previous status quo.
- Secondly, we could have Raisi as a redirect to Ebrahim Raisi, and Raisi (disambiguation) be the dab page. I have at least two issues with this: firstly, that Ebrahim Raisi might not pass ten year test, despite his newfound fame due to his death. Plus, here's also the technical history of attribution when dabbing Raisi (disambiguation). However, if there's enough support for it, I could see this work.
- Thirdly, and the option I'd oppose the most, we keep Raisi, speedy delete Raisi (disambiguation), and handle disambiguation via some sort of massive hatnote(s) on the article Ebrahim Raisi. The reason I'd oppose this so much is because the hatnote(s) would have to be enormous - the previous dab page had ten entries, plus one see also.
Anyways, yeah, this is complicated.
Duckmather (talk) 22:06, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Option 1: Restore Raisi as a disambiguation page. Ibrahim Raisi was not primarily known by that name, so WP:DABPARTIAL applies. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 23:47, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- I think option 2 is best. The late president is certainly the primary topic here and most likely was even before his death. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 12:24, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Option 2, even if the president doesn't hold that much power compared to the Supreme Leader, he is still the primary topic here. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 15:15, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- If the hatnote on top of the village article is actually correct, and there is substantial ambiguity about what a toponym of "Raisi" means in Iran, we should keep a disambiguation list. The location of the list, whether at the base name or separately, depends on whether the average English reader strongly associates the term with the person. It looks like we already have articles about Heshmat Raisi and Ahmed Naser Al-Raisi, so this word is not uncommon in anthroponymy. I'd err on the side of caution and put disambiguation at the base name, and observe traffic patterns for a few months afterwards. If we see that the preponderance of readers go for the single person, then we go for the redirect. Because of the recent death of the proposed primary topic, there's obvious WP:Recentism here. --Joy (talk) 11:15, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, I just noticed that old content of the Raisi disambiguation page lists even more people, and has for a couple of years before this recent incident. [1] had no edit summary whatsoever and should have been reverted first. --Joy (talk) 11:20, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 17:37, 12 June 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Any further thoughts?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 08:49, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:VN[edit]
- Wikipedia:VN → Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Visual novels (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Retarget to either Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard or Wikipedia:WikiProject Vietnam. I would lean towards retargeting to RSN, considering WP:V/N links to it, but I can see an argument to link to WPVietnam. I don't see how an inactive task force should be the ideal target for this redirect. OzzyOlly (talk) 03:57, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Most of the incoming links are intended to go to the Visual novels task force. Breaking all of those links wouldn't be optimal. It has almost no utility, so a disambig page would not be useful compared to its maintance burden. Ca talk to me! 13:56, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, per Ca. I don't know the etymology of the WP:V/N → RSN redirect, but going by the stats it's far far less used than WP:RSN (~10 monthly hits vs ~1500), so it doesn't look like a common source of confusion. Can't see a reason to change it, so keep. BugGhost🪲👻 07:43, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- I believe it means "verifiability noticeboard". OzzyOlly (talk) 17:19, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oh yeah of course - thanks BugGhost🪲👻 17:44, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- I believe it means "verifiability noticeboard". OzzyOlly (talk) 17:19, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate create a new redirect for Visual Novels WP:VG/VN -- the task force is inactive, so it is not a productive use of this redirect, for such a common abbreviation for Vietnam. The WP:SURPRISE of landing at an inactive TF, instead of the country WPP or a dab page is overwhelming. Replace all existing incoming links with the new redirect. -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 13:55, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Similar disambiguation pages in WP-space include WP:PT (with WP:PT (disambiguation) redirect) and WP:1st (disambiguation), etc -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 20:57, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 08:26, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, I'm not convinced that going back to change all the incoming links is worth it. The hatnote already takes care of people looking for WP:V/N or WP:VIET. I did create WP:VG/VN per the IP's suggestion though. Nickps (talk) 11:00, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's also not possible for links in edit summaries. Those will be broken no matter what. Nickps (talk) 11:19, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
Spirituality & Health Magazine[edit]
- Spirituality & Health Magazine → American Health (magazine) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Spirituality and Health Magazine → American Health (magazine) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No relation to target, not mentioned in target article. Spirituality & Health is a magazine published by Unity Church. Softlavender (talk) 03:24, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Spirituality and Health Magazine also exists as a redirect to the same target. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 21:05, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Bundled Spirituality and Health Magazine.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 01:48, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
Partisan movement[edit]
- Partisan movement → Yugoslav Partisans (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Retarget to Partisan or Partisan (military). My impression is that "Partisan movement" is a generic concept that does not imply Yugoslavia. For example, it could refer to Italian partisans, among others. — BarrelProof (talk) 17:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep but add a hatnote. Searches indicate that the current target is the clear primary topic for this term, but there should be a hatnote either to an existing dab page or a new specific one. Thryduulf (talk) 12:41, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:36, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to partisan, as this is a generic term, and this is not the Balkan-topics-only Wikipedia -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 04:15, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Keep or retarget?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 02:51, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to the Partisan DAB, as it is a generic term, and the searcher could be looking for anything that's there. Fieari (talk) 23:50, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- They could be, but the evidence is that the majority of them aren't - see WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Thryduulf (talk) 09:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to partisan DAB; the phrase is simply too generic. "Partisan movement" could easily refer to the WW2 partisans across Europe, the current partisans in Russia/Ukraine, and any number of other conflicts. Couruu (talk) 13:04, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Once again, yes it could easily refer to many things, but the evidence is that in practice almost everybody using it is referring to one specific thing. Thryduulf (talk) 23:32, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to partisan DAB; the phrase is simply too generic. "Partisan movement" could easily refer to the WW2 partisans across Europe, the current partisans in Russia/Ukraine, and any number of other conflicts. Couruu (talk) 13:04, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Is there a primary topic? Also notified of this discussion at the talk pages of the creator and the current and proposed targets.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 01:37, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
Skymont (microarchitecture)[edit]
- Skymont (microarchitecture) → Cannon Lake (microprocessor) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Skymont → Cannon Lake (microprocessor) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete, deprecated, WP:CBALL, check the talk pages for the complete rationale Artem S. Tashkinov (talk) 13:14, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete – this redirect is definitely 'obsolete' as "Skymont" now officially refers to the E-core architecture used in Lunar Lake, see sources here: [2], [3], which is completely different to the Cannon Lake processor series. The "Skymont (microarchitecture)" redirect is especially misleading, as Cannon Lake is a microprocessor series, not a microarchitecture, which are two highly different things. Though, I should mention that this redirect doesn't need to be deleted per se for someone to create an article about the Skymont E-core architecture; you can just simply overwrite the redirect with an article. — AP 499D25 (talk) 09:36, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and retarget to List of Intel CPU microarchitectures#Atom lines per anandtech and chipsandcheese establishing notability. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 13:11, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hmm, that would work too, but isn't it better that we delete these redirects so they are redlinks, so article creation is further encouraged? When it's a blue link, people might think there's already an article on that link. — AP 499D25 (talk) 23:49, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:28, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- See also Special:WhatLinksHere/Skymont (2024 microarchitecture). Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:52, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Also notified of the discussion at the talk pages of the current and proposed targets.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 01:29, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
June 28[edit]
Sepersontics[edit]
The term "sepersontics" is not defined in this or any other articles (nor should it be). From my web searches, only 7 results have come up, including a satirical blog post and a forum comment. This is a protologism used only by a half-dozen people (perhaps even less). Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 23:18, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Raymoo[edit]
- Raymoo → List of Touhou Project characters#Reimu Hakurei (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
raymoo hackery is a name generally only seen in shitposts, and i'd honestly be surprised if anyone not nose deep on every touhou rabbit hole knew about it. fittingly, not mentioned in the target, implausible as an actual search (unless you're me), and google gave me nothing reliable cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:03, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Tentative Keep and tag as meme. It's plausible that someone finds one of said shitposts, doesn't know how the original name is spelled, and searches "raymoo" to find info on Reimu. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 22:53, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Wokepedia[edit]
The similarly spelled Wokipedia redirects to Criticism of Wikipedia#Partisanship. Since the term is no longer used by just Orlowski and both spellings are common as criticism of Wikipedia they should have consistent locations or whether the redirects are necessary at all as they are a violation of redirect neutrality. 92.40.204.110 (talk) 17:30, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Criticism of Wikipedia#Partisanship. As per WP:RNEUTRAL redirects do not need to be neutral; anyone who finds the term 'Wokepedia' (or 'Wokipedia'), doesn't know context, and plugs it into our searchbox should be taken to the info we have on the subject. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 22:55, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per Lunamann --Lenticel (talk) 02:51, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
Redirects to Herzegovina#Medieval period[edit]
Duchy of Saint Sava → Herzegovina#Medieval period(talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Duchy of herzegovina → Herzegovina#Medieval period (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Duchy of Herzegovina → Herzegovina#Medieval period (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Dukedom of Saint Sava → Herzegovina#Medieval period (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Duchy of St. Sava → Herzegovina#Medieval period (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Herzegovina of Saint Sava → Herzegovina#Medieval period (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Duchy of St Sava → Herzegovina#Medieval period (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Duchess of Saint Sava → Herzegovina#Medieval period (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These redirect titles are misnomers; it does not exist in scholarship on the subject in this form. ౪ Santa ౪99° 17:10, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- The redirect Duchy of Saint Sava cannot be deleted. It has a substantial history. Srnec (talk) 20:10, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- This redirect, and other similar redirects that were listed above, should not be deleted since previous actions were result of an improper merge, as was indicated here. The long standing article "Duchy of Saint Sava" should be restored, not deleted, since it was reduced to a redirect without proper discussion or consensus. Sorabino (talk) 00:53, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- "Duchy" article/redirect(s) was no more-no less than unsourced WP:SOAPBOX for the subject matter now finally properly framed and sourced in Humska zemlja article, however, I understand what you mean for that particular redirect so I scraped it from this nom. Thanks @Srnec:! ౪ Santa ౪99° 01:59, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oh boy, the history dive (or specifically, the talkpage archive dive) was *interesting.*It turns out, that talks of big change at the article for Duchy of Saint Sava have been going on since 2021 at the latest; from renaming to merging. user:Sorabino (who's already here) and user:Santasa99 (listed the redirects here) were two of the biggest voices in those discussions, joined by user:Joy, user:Thhhommmasss, and user:Mhare, among others (there was even drama regarding a sockmaster. Fun!)
- It's not fun, it wasn't fun, it was time and energy-wasting endeavor to push (or prevent, depending on which side of the argument one is) something that has no bases in historiography and is tendentious (even very close to discourse flirting with nationalistic point-of-view on history) - as another, one you missed to mention, neutral and uninvolved editor, User:DeCausa, noticed and argued in that long discussion. DeCausa starts with this remark:
Should this article exist? There’s virtually nothing about this Duchy in the text of this article. It seems to be merely a vehicle to acknowledge the existence of the title.
- It's not fun, it wasn't fun, it was time and energy-wasting endeavor to push (or prevent, depending on which side of the argument one is) something that has no bases in historiography and is tendentious (even very close to discourse flirting with nationalistic point-of-view on history) - as another, one you missed to mention, neutral and uninvolved editor, User:DeCausa, noticed and argued in that long discussion. DeCausa starts with this remark:
At this point it is quite clear that there's some sort of conflict resolution that needs to happen between Santa and Sorabino; I don't know exactly what needs to be done, but this feud has gone on far longer than is healthy for anyone's sanity. My first instinct is to restore Duchy of Saint Sava and send to AfD as a contested merge, if that helps anything. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 12:19, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Fortunately, your instinct is utterly wrong since all of the options were exhausted, and conclusion was reached eventually after years of patient waiting, discussing, waiting, presenting arguments, waiting > Talk:Duchy of Saint Sava/Archive 2. We won't run around in circle because someone whishes to restore unrefed soapbox ౪ Santa ౪99° 12:45, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Joy would probably explain this more eloquently vis-a-vis policies and guidelines and wikivoice-wise.
Yellow plant[edit]
- Yellow plant → Heavy equipment (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
...because they're referred to as "plants" and are sometimes yellow? i don't get it. i'm not entirely sure if disambiguating or retargeting to a pre-existing disambiguation about something about things that are yellow and known as plants would be a better option than keeping or deleting, but will lean towards dabifying cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:10, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as vague --Lenticel (talk) 02:53, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
The arm test[edit]
- The arm test → Michael W. Ryan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No explanation/mention in the article. There was this in the past, but none of this content is in the current version. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 16:39, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- "arm test" could refer to any mix of actions known as tests performed on or with things known as arms, like arm wrestling or firearm maintenance. delete as vague cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:14, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
increasingly long redirects to bobobo-bo bo-bobo[edit]
- Bobobobobobobobobobobo → Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Bobobobobobobobobobobobo → Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Bobobobobobobobobobobobobo → Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Bobobobobobobobobobobobobobo → Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo → Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo → Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo → Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo → Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
in order, those are 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 11, 12, and 13 too many bo's. all redirects created by one user. one or two extra syllables would be fine, but starting at 4 seems excessive, also bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo and bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo got skipped cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:44, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- ngl im surprised they didnt do Bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
- But seriously, delete, just so Wikipedia doesn't spend more money than they have to on these seemingly unneeded redirects...
- wait, this was made in 2010? Kxeon (talk) 23:16, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Gaō[edit]
that's an onomatopeia for growling. probably not primarily associated with the anime equivalent of xra. used to redirect to gaoh, but i don't think that would cut it either cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:27, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Bo^7[edit]
the 7nd root of bo is bo, as there's only one bo. if there were two, the result would be 128 bo's. also implausible search, i guess cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:19, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Garage Band (TV series)[edit]
- Garage Band (TV series) → Grojband (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Garage band (TV series) → Grojband (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- GarageBand (TV series) → Grojband (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Garageband (TV series) → Grojband (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This TV series is not called "Garage Band". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:04, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - it's not called "Garage Band" but it's meant to be pronounced like "garage band", and it is the only TV show listed on Garage band (disambiguation). It's a plausible misspelling if someone has only heard the name of the show said vocally. BugGhost🪲👻 10:28, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
SportAccord[edit]
- SportAccord → Global Association of International Sports Federations (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Removal/deletion of current redirect as it creates misleading impression. The redirect page reflects the name of a separate organization with its own initiatives whereas the target page reflects another organization that is now dissolved. In the current target page there's even a proposal on the Talk page from someone addressing this confusion. There should be a separate page and information about the redirect page of SportAccord JennyAnderson 2 (talk) 14:38, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hard to say, maybe we can just rename that GAISF article again to be SportAccord? Notified both WP:SPORTS and WP:Switzerland. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:22, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- It is hard, indeed. But I feel there would be value to having a separate SportAccord page as these are entirely different entities and it's tricky to combine them into one article efficiently as they have different structures, activities, missions. JennyAnderson 2 (talk) 09:27, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed, that's why that SportAccord has its own Wikidata item just because of entirely different entities, but then it meets own notability for separating? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:46, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- It is hard, indeed. But I feel there would be value to having a separate SportAccord page as these are entirely different entities and it's tricky to combine them into one article efficiently as they have different structures, activities, missions. JennyAnderson 2 (talk) 09:27, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep since it is mentioned at the target, so I honestly see no reason for deletion. This is clearly a plausible redirect, and a valid {{R from move}}. CycloneYoris talk! 21:33, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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Tristan Tate[edit]
- Tristan Tate → Andrew Tate (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete as misleading. This redirect was created a minute after the second deletion discussion closed, first pointing to the whole article and then to a subsection concerning the Romanian case(s), on what seems to me to be the very good reason that they are different people. During the GA drive this change was reverted. As it stands, the references to Tristan are sprinkled throughout the article, so it's hard to pick a single place to point the redirect at; but they are different people, and the current outcome suggests that to the unwary they aren't. Given the AfD outcome, I would suggest that deletion of the redirect and reliance on how search engines actually work is the best resolution of this so that those looking will get a succinct and accurate answer; failing that, the AfD could be reconsidered, or Andrew Tate's article could be so structured as to give a redirect some place to point to. The current arrangement, though, treats him like Zaphod Beeblebrox's second head. Mangoe (talk) 00:54, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment New RfD's go below the header, not above it. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:00, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Re-target to Andrew Tate#In Romania: 2022–present per WP:BLP1E, where is he referenced under "Tate brothers" (that can be amended to "Tate and his brother Tristan" for first usage). 1E was the strong argument for deletion of the article second time around, despite not being mentioned in the closing summary, so redirecting to any other part of the article doesn't make sense based on his notability. Additionally, a redirect that is used 20 times a day does appear useful, but being pointed at Andrew Tate directly can be confusing for readers, even if he is mentioned from the lead onwards. I'm not sure why TheMainLogan changed the redirect back in March. I'm otherwise convinced that this redirect existed long before March and that the page history is missing after the 2nd AfD, but could be wrong. Maybe an admin could clarify. CNC (talk) 01:52, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- I won't even lie, I pointed the redirect at Andrew directly because they're basically the same guy. —theMainLogan (t•c) 15:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- @TheMainLogan yeah but in my opinion, they are not. Tristan Tate is almost equally as well known as his brother, and is a different human being with his own life and internet personality. Sure, they live together, own the same cars, but they are still entirely different. Mr Vili talk 00:37, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- "Tristan Tate is almost equally as well known as his brother, and is a different human being with his own life and internet personality. Sure, they live together, own the same cars, but they are still entirely different." Then why shouldn't he have his own article? —theMainLogan (t•c) 03:55, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- @TheMainLogan yeah but in my opinion, they are not. Tristan Tate is almost equally as well known as his brother, and is a different human being with his own life and internet personality. Sure, they live together, own the same cars, but they are still entirely different. Mr Vili talk 00:37, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- I won't even lie, I pointed the redirect at Andrew directly because they're basically the same guy. —theMainLogan (t•c) 15:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and Restore Tristan Tate Draft I believe the redirect should be deleted, and Tristan Tate is notable enough to have his own page, I suggest the original page be undeleted, and converted into a Draft where further editing can be done to the original page in order to move it into mainspace Mr Vili talk 08:46, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- While this isn't the place to debate notability (the talk page would be better) the source assessment in the 2nd AfD demonstrated only one article with WP:SIGCOV, hence notability was not proven beyond BLP1E. Since this AfD he is now accused in a second investigation in the UK, but per the closing summary of that AfD, WP:PERP is still an issue here. Even if another draft is worked on, the mainspace article still requires a decision on either deleting, keeping or redirecting. CNC (talk) 12:23, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Refine to the section per CommunityNotesContributor. This is without prejudice to the former article content being worked on in draft, but unless and until an article is accepted (and such an article would need to demonstrate notability unrelated to the single incident) readers are better served by the redirect pointing to the content in his brother's article. Thryduulf (talk) 10:58, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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Gallophone[edit]
- Gallophone → Geographical distribution of French speakers (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in target. In the weird position of having a whole lot of online dictionaries claiming it means "French-speaking", starting with wikt:Gallophone, but I can't find a single such usage. Actual usage is rare but seems to be related to Gaul, not France or the French, e.g. Gallocentrism (thought I can't find a single one of its sources to check if they use the word that way). Rusalkii (talk) 22:47, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Have you tried asking wikt:WT:RFV about the Wiktionary entry? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:59, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- No, but it does look like the original creator @Thryduulf is an RfD regular, tagging them in to see if they have thoughts. (Sorry for dragging out decades-old pages!) Rusalkii (talk) 07:01, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- There are five quotations on the Wiktionary entry, all giving examples of use. I don't remember creating that (it was 2010) but the quotes have been there since start. A couple of minutes has found another three uses [4] [5][6] on Google books and it can also be found in our Gallocentrism article . I also came across [7] and [8] which use the word with different meanings (the first possibly related to Galilee, the second is in the context of Welsh so I'd guess from Gaelic).
- Additionally, I'm seeing a few sources mentioning a Gallophone Records from the 1930s, with one that is probably not a reliable source, stating that it later became Gallo Records, but even if true this would be a partial title match. Thryduulf (talk) 09:21, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rereading the initial post here, it's not unique in having a meaning related to France while being etymologically related to Gaul - wikt:Gallic being the most obvious. Thryduulf (talk) 09:23, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- No, but it does look like the original creator @Thryduulf is an RfD regular, tagging them in to see if they have thoughts. (Sorry for dragging out decades-old pages!) Rusalkii (talk) 07:01, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - The attestations provided by wiktionary, plus the additional mentioned above, are enough to a) determine that this is a plausible thing to search, and b) determine that the current target is appropriate. Fieari (talk) 04:26, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
JDX[edit]
Doesn't appear to be the primary topic for "JDX"; quick google gives "JDX Performance Golf Apparel", "Job Builder JDX", "Jobs and Employment Data Exchange", a racing company, an instagram artist, guitar amplifier, etc. I can't even find the radio station. Hard to create a disambig page because none of these have wikipedia pages. Rusalkii (talk) 22:37, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per nom. BD2412 T 19:34, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Never mind primary topic say, I can't find anything worthy of this becoming a DAB page with nothing created anyway in terms of articles yet, after looking at this title's page history. And BD2412, it seems the nominator was suggesting titles of articles of note worthy topics now but not yet created even to be considered for this at the moment.
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Grand Duke of Hum redirects[edit]
- Sandalj Hranić, Grand Duke of Hum → Sandalj Hranić (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Vlatko Vukovic, Grand Duke of Hum → Vlatko Vuković (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Vlatko Vuković, Grand Duke of Hum → Vlatko Vuković (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Extension to bio's name in the article tile is misnomer in form of implausible noble title. ౪ Santa ౪99° 01:59, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
June 27[edit]
LGBT in Brazil[edit]
- LGBT in Brazil → LGBT rights in Brazil (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Based on this discussion, it seems LGBT people in Brazil is the primary topic per WP:Broad-concept article. But if this is ambiguous, move LGBT in Brazil (disambiguation) here or delete that DAB? --MikutoH talk! 23:57, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- That discussion, which does not appear to have reached a consensus, itself links to Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 18#LGBT in Russia, but that one was complicated by the fact that there isn't a broad-concept "people" article for Russia. However, it appears that most people agree that, if it exists, the broad-concept article should be the target, so support the proposed retarget to LGBT people in Brazil. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:31, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
French-speakers outside of Quebec[edit]
- French-speakers outside of Quebec → Francophone Canadians (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The redirect has a different target than it had during the RFD in 2019, but still has the same problem: The redirect is not exclusive to Canada as there are French speakers around the world, like in ... France and Louisiana, neither part of Canada. Steel1943 (talk) 18:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- In Canadian French, "Francophones hors Québec" refers specifically to French speakers that live in a Canadian province or territory that is not Quebec.[9] It does not apply to those living in other countries. That being said, this is en.wiki, and I don't know if English-language sources use "French-speakers outside of Quebec" in this sense. 162 etc. (talk) 19:13, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. While the expression can be found in English-language Canadian publications, where the context makes the "elsewhere in Canada" meaning clear, it does not make much sense without that context, nor does it appear to be a widely used set expression that people might search for or link to. Indeed, there are no incoming links to this redirect. Rosbif73 (talk) 07:03, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment it can be displaced/recreated to French-speakers outside of Quebec in Canada or French-speakers outside of Quebec (Canada) or Canadian French-speakers outside of Quebec -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 08:00, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Geographical distribution of French speakers. It has been argued in the previous discussion and above that this phrasing is used in Canada. That said, it has also been argued that taken literally it also refers to non-Canadian French speakers. My suggested retarget covers both groups. -- Tavix (talk) 18:49, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and Refine to Francophone Canadians#Distribution that shows that Quebec French speakers are 85%, and shows the % of every other state. In usefulness, because of the statistics, I find this target better than French Canadians#Elsewhere in Canada which was the overwhelming favourite of the previous RfD. With Quebec part of the search term, I see the context as local to Canada, hence am not in favour of Geographical distribution of French speakers, nor do I support the nomination rationale. Jay 💬 19:27, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep, although I wouldn't mind refining it as well per above. Now, strictly speaking and based on a logical, mathematical approach to language, this search could include French speakers outside Canada as well, such as in Africa, the Caribbean, Louisiana, and even France itself. However, I don't think such a logical and mathematical approach is how people typically use language-- when the scope of a Canadian province is specified, I think it is entirely reasonable for someone to expect to stay within the scope of Canada even without spelling it out, and the fact that this is a translation of a commonly used French-Canadian phrase that does in fact always means "within Canada" pushes me more towards keeping the target of this redirect refined to within Canada as well. Fieari (talk) 23:54, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Upon further review, this redirect has no incoming links. We lose nothing by deleting it. 162 etc. (talk) 05:27, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Bible Videos[edit]
- Bible Videos → List of films of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints#Bible Videos (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
List of films of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints#Bible Videos doesn't seem like the appropriate target for such a broadly-named redirect. ~Awilley (talk) 04:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: when you search "Bible Videos" in Wikipedia the first entry was the List of films of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints article, the other article that would make sense under this redirect was BibleProject, but this is an organization, and yes they make Bible videos too but they are less popular than the Church makes and they separate them as "Old Testament" and "New Testament", and not "Bible Videos", in their YouTube channel description, they dont say they make "Bible Videos", but "free resources to help you experience the Bible". Furawi (talk) 05:42, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget - The sole source for the List of films of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints#Bible Videos section refers to the videos as "Life of Jesus Christ Bible Videos". Bible Videos in my view should redirect to Christian media#Film and television, which is the closest generalised topic I could find, but I don't feel too strongly either way. BugGhost🪲👻 09:59, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- After reading the below replies I think Thryduulf's 2nd suggestion of "
make Bible videos a disambiguation page that includes List of films of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints#Bible Videos, The Bible in film, List of films based on the Bible, and similar articles, and then point Bible Videos to Bible videos
" is the best option. BugGhost🪲👻 09:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- After reading the below replies I think Thryduulf's 2nd suggestion of "
- Keep but add a hatnote. I was very surprised to find that the current target is the clear primary topic when googling for "Bible Vidoes" -Wikipedia but it is. Thryduulf (talk) 10:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Having thought some more about this, I think my preference would be to make Bible videos a disambiguation page that includes List of films of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints#Bible Videos, The Bible in film, List of films based on the Bible, and similar articles, and then point Bible Videos to Bible videos. It simply doesn't seem right to me to imply that the LDS Church has a monopoly on producing bible videos, and I think the redirect would surprise any readers who happen to follow it. My second preference would be to retarget Bible Videos to List of films based on the Bible which could include a link to List of films of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints#Bible Videos. @Thryduulf: I too am surprised to see the LDS Church's webpage as the #1 result for a Google search for "bible videos" but I think we can do better than following Google's blind algorithm. ~Awilley (talk) 15:39, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per above. The LDS have apparently done some really effective SEO here, but speaking as a former Christian, I'm pretty darn sure that "bible videos" is a generic term for any Christian or other religious media that tries to depict a story from the bible, or is a video taped sermon/lecture/bible study. Fieari (talk) 23:38, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- disambiguate. keeping would feel like if "music video" redirected to iosys, or if "fast food" redirected to mcdonald's. there's really no point in redirecting a basic concept like this to a single entity cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 02:36, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Dabify as per Thryduulf. While it's true that Google points to the LDS as "primary", that's something I find baffling-- Surely at the very least Veggietales or The Prince of Egypt or any number of other mainstream, more-generally-Christian videos and films would be primary over the Mormon videos. The lists Thryduulf grabbed have links to those films and more. Good work! 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 09:30, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment - Honestly, given the capitalization, a good argument can be made to keep the current target. If Bible videos existed, I might suggest Christian media#Media formats as the best target I could find. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 06:07, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per the 5 above. Ambiguous title, thus worhty DAB title. Intrisit (talk) 17:59, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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The Stand Off[edit]
- The Stand Off → Lists of Netflix original films (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- The Stand Off (film) → Lists of Netflix original films (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This is not mentioned in the target article. Third party searches are not really helping matters to identify what subject these redirects are meant to refer either. On one hand, searching "The Stand Off Netflix" on some third party search engines returns results for miniseries Waco: American Apocalypse; however, I was not able to find any information stating that miniseries was known previously as "The Stand Off". In addition, there is also the subject at Standoff (film), made in 2016 ... but, there is also a different film which we apparently do not have an article for, which was also made in 2016, called "The Standoff" [10] starring Olivia Holt. Probably best to delete these unless a strong connection can be made between these redirects and at least one of the aforementioned subjects (or one that has yet to be created.) Steel1943 (talk) 17:43, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Upon further research, seems the subject of these redirects is not the miniseries Waco: American Apocalypse. According to an article written a few years back [11], apparently, the subject is about a screenplay (probably intended to become a film) written by Mark Heyman, but in that article, there is no mention of a subject by the name of the nominated redirects. Steel1943 (talk) 19:48, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to the dab at Standoff where two films are listed. "Stand off" is obviously a very plausible search term for most things listed at the dab page, "Stand Off" equally so for at least the media productions and the Canadian community. Similarly "The Stand Off" and "The Standoff" are both completely plausible search terms for the other, but what about for things without the definite article? My gut feeling is that it's not impossible for someone to misremember the name of the media productions, but I'm not familiar with any of them hence the "weak". Thryduulf (talk) 22:06, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom and could see nothing of this sort at the DAB page. By the way, this is for the film/movie, not the literal "stand off/Stand Off". Intrisit (talk) 17:59, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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National Register of Historic Places listings in Metroplex1[edit]
- National Register of Historic Places listings in Metroplex1 → National Register of Historic Places listings in the Metroplex region of Texas: Other (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Implausible typo. Likely left over from an editor trying to do a round-robin move without the ability to suppress redirects. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 21:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Woodshop and wood shop[edit]
- Woodshop → Vocational education (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Wood shop → Woodworking (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Currently woodshop redirects to vocational education while wood shop redirects to woodworking. The redirects should be consistent and redirect to the same place. "woodshop" and "wood shop" are the same with the only difference being an inclusion or absence of a space. Fish567 (talk) 18:56, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I've fixed the nomination and am just about to tag the redirects. Thryduulf (talk) 19:07, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Actually it seems like user:Cogsan beat me to the tagging! Thryduulf (talk) 19:09, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- and you beat me to fixing the nomination cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:10, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Actually it seems like user:Cogsan beat me to the tagging! Thryduulf (talk) 19:09, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- retarget woodshop to woodworking. not a lot of mentions of shops of wood variety in vocational education, and only one mention of it in woodworking, which works for me. there's also a film titled woodshop, which either makes things more confusing or would make for a good enough target cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:16, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, leaning disambiguate. Looking on google, both spellings give me so many results for shops that sell wood that it's entirely useless. Looking at the what links here, the single word variant is consistently referring to the vocational educational meaning while the two-word version is pretty even between both. However it's not possible to know how many links have been corrected (especially by the redirects being bypassed) so this can only be a single datapoint. Based on this, I think disambiguation is possibly the best option, at least in the short term. If after a few months clickstream data is available to show where people want to go we could retarget again if there is a primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 19:22, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig Having now seen Cogsan's mention of Woodshop (film) and found that Woodshop (Beavis and Butt-head episode) exists, I think primary disambiguation is the way to go. Wood Shop BBQ would be an appropriate see also on the dabpage too I think. Thryduulf (talk) 19:26, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig as per Thryduulf, with Woodworking as the primary target. In order to get rid of shops that sell wood, I searched "Woodshop -sale" and "Wood shop -sale" on Google, and the results were pretty unambiguous in referring to either woodworking as a hobby/profession, or a workshop primarily set up for woodworking projects. (Which makes sense; the relationship 'woodshop' has with Vocational education is simply that woodworking one of the most well-known trades taught by such classes.) That said, the additional hits of Woodshop (film), Woodshop (Beavis and Butt-head episode), and Wood Shop BBQ seem like great additional targets for a dab page. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 20:45, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Amoogus[edit]
either a misspelling of "amogus", in which case fair enough, or of "amoonguss" (ironically usually based on amogus), in which case delete as dabifying between two misspellings used in shitposts would probably be a little unnecessary. this among us meme thing makes my brain go ouch cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:53, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. It's only one letter off from amogus, a well-known meme-spelling of Among Us; meanwhile, it's two letters off from Amoonguss, a mushroom Pokemon that predates Among Us, whose name is a simple reference to the phrase "a Fungus Among Us", and who quickly became associated with Among Us in meme circles just based off the name alone. One is less than two, which solves the WP:XY issue here IMO. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 20:53, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - per Lunamann above. Fieari (talk) 23:26, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as it is a common mispelling of amongus. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 01:01, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Aliens guy[edit]
- Aliens guy → Giorgio A. Tsoukalos (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
as opposed to "ancient aliens guy", this doesn't seem to narrow things down a whole lot. could refer to james cameron for all we know cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:41, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - Per nom. Fieari (talk) 00:14, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as above Thosbsamsgom (talk) 17:55, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Rods from Gods and Rods from gods[edit]
- Rods from Gods and Rods from gods → Kinetic bombardment (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This redirect has a nonsensical title containing two differentcapitalisations of the same term. 216.250.199.4 (talk) 17:18, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:23, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete the Redirect and Delete the redirect as redundant and redundant cogsan (nag me and nag me) (stalk me and stalk me) 18:24, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - The Department of Redundancy Department called. Fieari (talk) 00:14, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Death Trap (Star Wars:The Clone Wars (2008 TV series)[edit]
- Death Trap (Star Wars:The Clone Wars (2008 TV series) → List of Star Wars: The Clone Wars episodes#ep42 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The redirect has a pair of unclosed parenthesis. Merge history with Death Trap (Star Wars: The Clone Wars) and delete this one. Gonnym (talk) 08:55, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- delete as malformed (there's also a missing space after the colon), but where's the second unclosed parenthesis? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:17, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Patrick Patterson[edit]
- Patrick Patterson → Pat Patterson (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The Pat Patterson to whom this redirects actually has the given name Pierre, and does not appear to have ever been known as "Patrick"; in fact, most of the people on the disambiguation page, Pat Patterson (disambiguation), have a given first name that is not "Pat" or "Patrick" (though there are a few that do). I propose to disambiguate this title separately, listing only those names of people who were actually named or known as Patrick Patterson. I have drafted this under the current redirect. BD2412 T 00:23, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Pat Patterson (disambiguation). Oppose the separate dabpage. See Talk:Pat Patterson#Requested move 1 September 2023. 162 etc. (talk) 01:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think the 2023 discussion speaks to the possibility of splitting these, and as outlined in the proposal, most of the names on the page are not Patrick at all. It isn't actually clear that any of the three named "Patrick" are actually ever called "Pat" either. BD2412 T 01:35, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'll point out that when I made this edit, Pat Patterson was the disambiguation page, not the wrestler's article. (That was moved a few weeks later, but the redirect was never updated.) It's clear to me that the wrestler is not the primary topic for "Patrick Patterson". 162 etc. (talk) 01:49, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think the 2023 discussion speaks to the possibility of splitting these, and as outlined in the proposal, most of the names on the page are not Patrick at all. It isn't actually clear that any of the three named "Patrick" are actually ever called "Pat" either. BD2412 T 01:35, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- This disambiguation page needs to be restored to the 6 January 2020 version. That version includes a link to the Pat Paterson redirect. Apparently the wrestler isn't even named Patrick. --rogerd (talk) 02:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
June 26[edit]
Charville Lane Estate[edit]
- Charville Lane Estate → Hillingdon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in target. It is briefly mentioned in Hayes, Hillingdon, but only as a bus stop name. Rusalkii (talk) 22:47, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Hayes, Hillingdon#Buses which has said mention as a bus stop. As this is all the information on this location we have, we should give it to the user when they search for it. Fieari (talk) 07:35, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Rajeshwari Vilas Coffee Club[edit]
- Rajeshwari Vilas Coffee Club → Zee Telugu (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in target. Is a series aired on that channel, may belong at List of programmes broadcast by Zee Telugu but that page is up for deletion. Rusalkii (talk) 21:57, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Likewise Seethe Ramudi Katnam Rusalkii (talk) 22:35, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- ...and very very many others, all of which created by an editor blocked for paid editing User talk:RahulBodke. Propose to delete the lot. Rusalkii (talk) 22:40, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- If it belongs there, someone needs to add an entry. (And maybe add some sources, that list article is rather light on those.) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 22:39, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
MOS:TITLETYPOCON[edit]
- MOS:TITLETYPOCON → Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Archive 228#Silently correct an error if it's in a title? (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I'm wondering if this discussion is significant enought to have its own redirect from main space to an archived project talk page. There are only a handful of these as you can see here and I think that they should be limited to ones that editors might commonly use. I doubt whether anyone but the redirect creator knows about this one. Liz Read! Talk! 18:31, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Looks like this is in use by multiple users on their user pages, drafts, etc, and I highly suspect it is also being used in edit comments. On that note... is there a way to search for edit comments in a user's contributions page? The search feature at the top of the contributions page only seems to allow for refining date ranges and possible vandalism. Fieari (talk) 23:31, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Unfortunately I don't know of any way to search or filter edit summaries (other than tags) and from a few minutes browsing of the available datadumps, etc it seems there isn't an option to download only edit summaries (unlike e.g. page titles) for offline searching other than getting a complete copy of the whole encyclopaedia (even just the text is noted as being several terabytes). Thryduulf (talk) 14:04, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Fieari. Thryduulf (talk) 14:04, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Petapixel[edit]
Aside from the "Petapixel redirects here", not mentioned in page. I can't find any discussion of the concept of a petapixel image to see if it should be mentioned in the page, search results are completely shadowed by PetaPixel. Possibly this should redirect there? Rusalkii (talk) 18:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment peta- is an SI prefix. JoshuaAuble (talk) 19:15, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep in some form per Fieari JoshuaAuble (talk) 02:21, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - The target doesn't discuss petapixel images by name because, to my knowledge, such a thing does not yet exist... yet if it did/when it does, it's basically the same thing as a gigapixel image except... moreso. As Joshua said above, peta is just an SI prefix after all. So I feel like the current target is a pretty good choice, and probably a better target than PetaPixel, which is a pretty low notability organization (not saying it needs to be AfD'd, just that it wouldn't make good WP:PTOPIC fare). Fieari (talk) 07:32, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Not even mentioned, much less explained or expounded upon, in the target article. Until such time as that occurs, this needs to be deleted as misleading and confusing. Softlavender (talk) 23:52, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Sydney Powell[edit]
- Sydney Powell → Sidney Powell (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete. "Sydney" is an unlikely misspelling for "Sidney". Sydney is a convicted murderer who is in the news now, and I suspect most people searching for "Sydney" are looking for the murderer, not the attorney. GA-RT-22 (talk) 18:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Sydney is actually an extremely likely misspelling for Sidney-- given "Sydney" is how the city in Australia is spelled, I would expect most people who have heard of Sidney but haven't seen the name written out (perhaps they learned of her over the radio) to assume the name was written as "Sydney"-- and I would also expect people to forget that it's spelled Sidney, remember how it's pronounced, and write it Sydney expecting it to be spelled the same way as said Australian city. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 20:46, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Plausible typo/misspelling. Fieari (talk) 23:34, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Sydney is very much the most likely misspelling for "Sidney" I can think of. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 04:11, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per all above - this is an extremely likely search term, e.g. it gets multiple hits most days. Thryduulf (talk) 14:10, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Horse with a horn[edit]
Delete as an ambiguous term. Other animals have been called "horse with horn(s)" e.g. a deer in [12] (which relates to a quote from the 2001 Austrian Grand Prix) and the fact that some horses have a horn like structure [13]. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:05, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Isn't this literally a reverse of the "Unicorn without a horn > Horse" redirect we were discussing a while back? In any case, adding information on horses with horn-like structures to the Horse article (with a potential hatnote to Unicorn) could be a worthwhile endeavor, like how we added the Hornless Unicorn section to the Unicorn article. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 11:21, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- I wasn't in that discussion, but does sound like it is a reverse of that. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:19, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- For the record, I'm also in support of Keep. Even the article you linked to explaining that some horses have horn-like structures takes an aside to pay lip-service to the idea that a horse with a horn is a unicorn. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 20:32, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Overly vague, not helpful for search. The search function can do its job here. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:36, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: This description is roughly mentioned at the target, and at a number of other reputable dictionaries:
- Unicorn:
In European literature and art, the unicorn has for the last thousand years or so been depicted as a white horse- or goat-like animal with a long straight horn...
- Encyclopædia Britannica:
Unicorn, mythological animal resembling a horse or a goat with a single horn on its forehead.
- Oxford English Dictionary
A fabulous and legendary animal usually regarded as having the body of a horse with a single horn projecting from its forehead...
- Dictionary.com
a mythical creature resembling a horse, with a single horn in the center of its forehead: often symbolic of chastity or purity.
- Cambridge Dictionary
an imaginary white creature like a horse with a single horn growing from the front of its head
- Merriam-Webster
a mythical, usually white animal generally depicted with the body and head of a horse with long flowing mane and tail and a single often spiraled horn in the middle of the forehead
- Collins English Dictionary
In stories and legends, a unicorn is an imaginary animal that looks like a white horse and has a horn growing from its forehead.
- Unicorn:
- So, aside from the hundreds of examples online if you do any type of search for "horse with a horn", which lead to unicorns or memes or cosplays of horses with a horn being unicorns, I'd argue it's definitely the expected result and makes sense as a target. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:41, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - No one is going to search for the term "horse with a horn". I was part of that other discussion which was relisted repeatedly and went on for two months until I spent two days looking for hornless unicorns to add a section for that redirect to land on—which was not a horse! My same arguments apply here: (1) no one is going to search for the term, (2) adding a horn to a horse does not make it a unicorn, and (3) there are no citations to support "horse with a horn = unicorn" nor a proper landing spot (the redirect itself represents original research). Other discussion was here: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 8 § Hornless unicorn ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 17:36, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment while other animals may be called a "horse with a horn", it does look like the vast majority of usage refers to a unicorn - I search the phrase and at least the first three pages of google results are 100% unicorns. Rusalkii (talk) 19:48, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Even if there are other possible/potential uses for this term, unicorn is the WP:PTOPIC by a landslide here. It is also a plausible search term... people forget words all the time and search things like this. Fieari (talk) 23:21, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Obvious primary topic is obvious. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 04:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep The redirect is useful for people who dont remember the name unicorn. Crashed greek (talk) 08:54, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep we decide what the best target for redirects is based on what people are actually looking for, not what they theoretically might be looking for, so when there is a clear primary topic we redirect to that primary topic. This term is both plausible and has a clear primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 14:13, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep no evidence this isn't by far the primary topic someone wants if they do type this into the search box or craft the URL, so no reason to delete. Skynxnex (talk) 22:07, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Puddle thinking[edit]
- Puddle thinking → Fine-tuned universe#In popular culture (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned anymore at the target page. Puddle thinking was merged to Fine-tuned universe in 2010 (diff), and the relevant content was removed in 2020 (diff). Tea2min (talk) 09:22, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. There's some ancient discussion prior to the merge at Talk:Anthropic principle/Archive 2#Merge of Puddle thinking and Talk:Fine-tuned universe/Archive 5#Merge puddle thinking here?. Tea2min (talk) 09:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Crosswiki to Wikiquote - The original content of that page seems to have just been a quote from Douglas Adams, which is still kept at wikiquote: [14]. I wish we could target the quote directly, but it's pretty close to the top of the quotes list, and should provide everything the searcher is looking for on this one. Fieari (talk) 23:39, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, seems harmless and I could plausibly see the quote being discussed at Fine-tuned universe or a child article in the future at some point. SnowFire (talk) 23:05, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Trademark Law Treaty[edit]
- Trademark Law Treaty → Trademark#Singapore Trademark Law Treaty (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Those are two different treaties. The redirection creates confusion. I suggest deletion of the redirection Anthere (talk) 18:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Create a set index article at this title. There are three main international trademark treaties, the WIPO 1994, Singapore, and the Madrid Protocol, and we should have one place that lists them all, and possibly any notable bilateral treaties that may exist. BD2412 T 20:25, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, and the International (Nice) Classification of Goods and Services. BD2412 T 20:58, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- I have created Trademark Law Treaty of 1994. BD2412 T 21:43, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- I like this idea ! Anthere (talk) 06:05, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- I have added some content to the section at Trademark, but this could easily be split out into another article with additional topics mentioned. BD2412 T 18:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Thryduulf (talk) 09:07, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support the set index article I have started a draft of the SIA below the redirect. It lists all the mentioned articles plus the TRIPS Agreement. --Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 12:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support set index per above, and thanks to Asmodea Oaktree for starting the work on it. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 04:06, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- DABify - Usually we say "disambiguation" instead of "set index", but it amounts to the same thing, and I support the proposed disambiguation page. Fieari (talk) 07:16, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguation pages and set index articles are technically not the same thing (the latter exist for cases where a disambiguation function is required but it doesn't fit with the strict formatting/inclusion rules for a dab page). This is a set index articles as it lists the set of topics referred to by an ambiguous title, rather than the set of articles that could be located at the ambiguous title. Thryduulf (talk) 14:16, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support the drafted set index per above. Thryduulf (talk) 14:16, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Woketard[edit]
- Woketard → Woke (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Woketards → Woke (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
While I am aware that WP:NPOV is less of a concern for redirects as they are less likely to face the general public directly, I do question the rationale for the existence of these redirects.
Surely anyone searching for woketard(s), will already need to type the word woke, and I am sure that any quote in an article that could possibly benefit from bluelinking woketard could surely just pipelink it.
I am not strongly of the mind that "These should not exist on Wikipedia", though I do feel as though they are needlessly inflammatory and likely unnecessary. The article for Woke does not mention Woketards anywhere including in the as a pejorative section.
Primarily, I am leaning towards deletion for these redirects, if consensus aligns with them being valid, I am not opposed to the target being narrowed down to the as a pejorative section. IceBergYYC (talk) 05:18, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Soft redirect to Wiktionary There is an entry in Wiktionary. Ca talk to me! 11:40, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Normally I'm all for keeping pejorative redirects as per WP:RNEUTRAL; however, nom questions the usefulness of this one and I'm inclined to agree. This is nothing more than a simple portmanteau of "Woke" and "-tard"; anyone with half a brain can disassemble the portmanteau, and from there, figure out what this means. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 14:03, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - per Lunamann. It appears the same user that created these also just created 3 more that similarly are unmentioned at the target - Wokester, Wokie and Wokies - should we include those 3 as well in this RFD? Raladic (talk) 05:42, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm a little more of the mind that those three would be fine as redirects if retargeted specifically to the as a pejorative section of the article. Not opposed to their deletion as well, but more interested in the two originals from the nom based on the higher degree of being needlessly inflammatory. IceBergYYC (talk) 20:34, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with IceBergYYC-- those three don't have the -tard suffix and thus have a higher likelihood of refinement as opposed to outright deletion (and are simply minor modifications of the target word with the simple meaning "people who are woke (pejorative)"). If anything, those three should be grouped together; but as a separate listing.
Just because I would vote delete myself, doesn't mean that I see it going the same exact way. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 11:37, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete If not legitimately mentioned in the article, it is simply an insult and should be speedy-deleted. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:37, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Crosswiki to Wiktionary - It's just a word. May as well define it and move on. Fieari (talk) 04:00, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Participants are split between deleting and soft redirecting. Relisting for further input.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 08:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak cross-wiki to wiktionary definition, since we have it, and since not everyone who sees it knows the meaning of "woke". Rusalkii (talk) 20:04, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, not every portmanteau that happens to have a Wiktionary page needs a soft redirect. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 04:05, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
2025 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix[edit]
- 2025 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix → 2025 Formula One World Championship (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
WP:TOOSOON. Martintalk 02:20, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep – Too soon for what? What problem is this nomination trying to solve? 5225C (talk • contributions) 02:39, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- We don't even know if the grand prix is actually happening, maybe its a case of WP:CRYSTAL? Why does other pages doesn't have redirect but only this one does? Martintalk 17:47, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Doesn't matter, it's been scheduled so will be a plausible search term even if it did get cancelled. Go ahead and make a redirect for every Grand Prix on the 2025 calendar, some vague appeal to consistency isn't exactly a compelling argument. 5225C (talk • contributions) 09:36, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- We don't even know if the grand prix is actually happening, maybe its a case of WP:CRYSTAL? Why does other pages doesn't have redirect but only this one does? Martintalk 17:47, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. This nomination makes no sense. WP:TOOSOON is an argument against article creation. It does not apply to redirects. And I can't think of another reason to alter this redirect. (I am not watching this page, so please ping me if you want my attention.) SSSB (talk) 06:43, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Refine to 2025 Formula One World Championship#Calendar. While TOOSOON is an argument that does make sense for redirects when there isn't yet any content about the search term (see e.g. Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 April 5#UEFA Euro 2032 qualifying), it doesn't apply here though as the target (specifically the Calendar section) does have information about the event (specifically its date and location). There is no relevant content at Emilia Romagna Grand Prix so that would not make a good target. Thryduulf (talk) 09:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Refine per Thryduulf. If someone searches using that string they should be directed to the, admittedly limited, information currently available on the subject. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:95CE:1437:1591:A9E6 (talk) 02:20, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Refine as per Thryduulf, there is better info at that target article. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:02, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Amanda the Adventurer[edit]
- Amanda the Adventurer → 2023 in video games#Amanda the Adventurer (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Here is another redirect created for another non-notable video game which probably doesn't meet Wikipedia's GNG. It has 3 backlinks, all of which are just Draft content. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 02:13, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep redirects subjects don't need to meet WP:N to exist. It seems to an unambiguous on enwiki currently and goes to a decent mention. I'd be fine with a retarget to its publisher, Dread Central#DreadXP, maybe but right now the 2023 article actually has more information. Skynxnex (talk) 05:08, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support retarget ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 06:46, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy keep; nominator has failed to provide a valid rationale for deletion. Jalen Folf (Bark[s]) 05:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Additionally, WP:VG has been notifed of this discussion. Jalen Folf (Bark[s]) 05:37, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Redirects have no notability criteria, only ambiguity/usefulness/appropriate target criteria. Fieari (talk) 05:35, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep; retarget would be a good idea if the new target had more info on the subject than current target. Current target has more info, and thus, is currently the better target. We can revisit this redirect if/when the balance shifts; for now, no change. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 11:23, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Quinton de Penis[edit]
- Quinton de Penis → Quinton de Kock (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No evidence this offensive nickname has actually been used to refer to this person. IMO an R3 but taking it to RfD instead per the creator's request. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:01, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, borderline G3, appears to have been created as a joke; implausible misnomer. I don't believe anyone with the surname de Kock has had it rendered as penis in any reliable source. Page creator has claimed without evidence that this is a valid mistranslation, despite the fact that none of the common machine translation services produce this rendering. The additional community scrutiny this will now garner will likely make them regret requesting an RFD, but some people just can't take a hint. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:AD5A:8B6:5AD6:C4BE (talk) 02:28, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's not a G3 - the G3 criterion is based on the mind of the creator. If it was their intent to harm Wikipedia, then it's vandalism and can be speedied as such. If it was their intent to help Wikipedia, even if you consider their actions misguided, then it's WP:NOTVANDALISM and not a G3 case. R3 is based (in theory) on an objective evaluation of the plausibility of the redirect rather than reading the creator's mind, so I think it does apply, but when I saw this at CAT:CSD I was willing to honor the creator's request to discuss it first. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:03, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- A good deal of vandalism consists of jokes of various kinds, however juvenile, which I imagine in the minds of the jokers constitute improvements, or "help" if you will given they probably percieve Wikipedia as dull, staid, and in need of enlivenment. In this case the edit summary on creation here gives away the game with regard to the creator's mindset, and perhaps a certain demographic does indeed find this amusing, but as I said borderline.
- I actually prefer RFD to speedy as it creates clearer consensus and is better in every way except volume management especially in creating clearer consensus. But when the community has designated certain pages for a flow that maximizes volume management that procedure should be followed unless there is a valid reason not to. And for speedy deletion the community has decided that bare objections by page creators don't count. But sometimes a third party will intervene and then there is a valid reason; happened a few times when I was doing the initial X3 runs earlier and IMO helped solidify community consensus in favor of X3, but it would have been improper to start those without valid reason, needed someone else object first. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:886A:FBAE:31BA:5FC9 (talk) 04:23, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's not a G3 - the G3 criterion is based on the mind of the creator. If it was their intent to harm Wikipedia, then it's vandalism and can be speedied as such. If it was their intent to help Wikipedia, even if you consider their actions misguided, then it's WP:NOTVANDALISM and not a G3 case. R3 is based (in theory) on an objective evaluation of the plausibility of the redirect rather than reading the creator's mind, so I think it does apply, but when I saw this at CAT:CSD I was willing to honor the creator's request to discuss it first. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:03, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - Nonsense joke redirect. Fieari (talk) 05:38, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete for BLP reasons. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 06:44, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep valid mis translation. His surname has "de" in it, and that could cause a website to auto translate to this by mistake. No bad intention was intended by this redirect. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:11, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete slowly. I agree this is not vandalism but it is also not useful. Thryduulf (talk) 09:40, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as trolling. Softlavender (talk) 02:12, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Obvious trolling is obvious. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 04:13, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per G10. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 18:33, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
I Am Fish[edit]
June 25[edit]
Brexit means breakfast[edit]
- Brexit means breakfast → Malapropism#Real-life examples (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in target (was mentioned in a citation which I have recently removed, but not article text) GnocchiFan (talk) 22:50, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not sure why a redirect needs to explicitly be referenced in the target? Deku-shrub (talk) 09:01, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Because otherwise we would have hundreds of malapropisms redirect to this target, with no indication of notability. GnocchiFan (talk) 12:03, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not sure why a redirect needs to explicitly be referenced in the target? Deku-shrub (talk) 09:01, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep without requirement of mention at target. Or... more clearly, Refine to no subsection. To answer Gnocchi's concern about hundreds of malapropisms, no need-- it shouldn't open any floodgates, as this one is in fact attested. Anyone searching this phrase is clearly coming from the news article about it. The fact that it redirects to Malapropism will be all it takes to explain what the news article is talking about... someone made a silly error of speech. Thus the user is informed and can move on with their day. No need for a mention, as the article would not be enriched by the inclusion... the mere existence of the redirect should be enough to convey what needs to be conveyed. Fieari (talk) 05:44, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep per Fieari. Someone using this redirect will be educated by its existence, someone not using the redirect will be completely unaffected. Thryduulf (talk) 09:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Furiosa Road[edit]
- Furiosa Road → Mad Max: Fury Road (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not sure how plausible this search term is but if kept, would Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga be a more appropriate target? मल्ल (talk) 22:39, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as is I take you you didn't watch "Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga", since that isn't a road movie. "Mad Max: Fury Road" is a road movie. "Furiosa Road" was a common nickname for the film when it was released. [15][16][17][18][19] -- so is a good search term. -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 04:08, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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Minor league player redirects[edit]
- Luis Reyes (baseball) → Washington Nationals minor league players#Luis Reyes (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Chris Williams (baseball) → Minnesota Twins minor league players#Chris Williams (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Hunter Bigge → Chicago Cubs minor league players#Hunter Bigge (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Riley Martin (baseball) → Chicago Cubs minor league players#Riley Martin (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Eddy Demurias → Cincinnati Reds minor league players#Eddy Demurias (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Steven Williams (baseball) → Washington Nationals minor league players#Steven Williams (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Drew Mount → Cincinnati Reds minor league players#Drew Mount (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Bryce Windham → Chicago Cubs minor league players#Bryce Windham (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Jake Washer → Chicago Cubs minor league players#Jake Washer (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Walter Pennington → Kansas City Royals minor league players (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
We use these "minor league players" articles for incubating Minor League Baseball players who do not appear to meet GNG yet, but could soon. These redirects were created without a relevant section on these players at their target article, lack relevant history, and should be deleted. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:38, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. We currently have no meaningful information about any of these players. - Eureka Lott 02:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Peanut butter burger[edit]
- Peanut butter burger → Peanut butter, banana and bacon sandwich (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I cannot find any references referring to the target as such. However, on third party search engines, I did find recipes for burger sandwiches containing peanut butter and a ground beef patty, which is not what the target article is about. Steel1943 (talk) 20:00, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not sure what you mean. It's the Elvis sandwich. The article is about that. They sold peanut butter burgers at Sonic Drive-In for a while there. It was just a variant of the Elvis sandwich. Here is where the article discusses peanut butter burgers. Noah Tall (talk) 05:34, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't know about you but around here peanut butter burgers have nothing to do with Elvis. It's your standard burger, but you replace the sauce/mayonaise/condiments with peanut butter. E.g. [20] "PEANUT BUTTER BURGER: Fresh beef patty, peanut butter (on both buns), lettuce, tomato, onions, pickles, cheddar cheese, and bacon."
- Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:34, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not so sure, Noah. Here's an article about the Sonic peanut butter burger, and it clearly has a ground beef patty and no bananas in sight. Also, the "discussion" in the article regarding peanut butter burgers is a single sentence, which could be easily removed from the article without breaking the flow of the article, only states that "burgers done Elvis style have become increasingly popular in the United States", and whose only source given is this recipe for an Elvis burger. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 09:21, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Discussion thus far seems to lean towards deletion arguments, but participants haven't clearly indicated that they support this outcome.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 15:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC)- For the record, yes, my vote is to Delete based on my comment above. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:28, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Karli Smith[edit]
- Karli Smith → Indianapolis FedEx shooting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Samaria Blackwell → Indianapolis FedEx shooting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- John Weisert → Indianapolis FedEx shooting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Amarjit Sekhon → Indianapolis FedEx shooting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Jasvinder Kaur → Indianapolis FedEx shooting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Amarjeet Johal → Indianapolis FedEx shooting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Victims of a shooting generally do not have articles unless they become notable in their own right. It isn't appropriate to associate a search term of their names with an event which took their life. The individuals would already appear in search results on the event article without the need of an explicit redirect. I am unsure if there is specific policy around this, as WP:VICTIM merely mentions outright articles specifically. Bungle (talk • contribs) 09:12, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- well other victims of shootings typically get redirected to the shooting article. Sandy Hook Elementary school shooting for example. Victims such as Allison Wyatt, Grace McDonnell etc have redirects. Elizzaflanagan221 (talk) 12:28, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Your argument that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is poor and is not in itself a reason why the aforementioned should be kept as redirects. We have to ask for what benefit and purpose does an article or redirect serve in its existence? I don't see any value in these redirects and as the victims are all deceased, cannot decide themselves if they'd want their identities associated with such an atrocity. I don't see any policy specific to this circumstance, which is probably why there is no agreed precedent. Bungle (talk • contribs) 13:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- well like i said, most articles on mass tragedy events have redirects with the victims names. If you think its morally wrong or u dont agree with it, you should make this a bigger discussion and not just solely on the FedEx shooting. Elizzaflanagan221 (talk) 17:18, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- I hear what you're saying, but a poor existing precedent (generally speaking) isn't necessary justification to pursue further of a similar nature. That is the reason I brought them to rfd, as it's a community decision, not solely my own view. As for the bigger discussion, maybe it is warranted, but it's quite a minefield and this only concerns these redirects yet to be reviewed. If the consensus is to keep, then it's a moot point anyway, though in such a scenario i'd hope to see a better rationale than "others exist too". Bungle (talk • contribs) 21:54, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Existing precedent is the primary source of policies and guidelines, assuming that the policies Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not are to be believed. If we have no written rule against it, and it is frequently done, then it probably is the community's normal practice to do this. WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:18, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- I hear what you're saying, but a poor existing precedent (generally speaking) isn't necessary justification to pursue further of a similar nature. That is the reason I brought them to rfd, as it's a community decision, not solely my own view. As for the bigger discussion, maybe it is warranted, but it's quite a minefield and this only concerns these redirects yet to be reviewed. If the consensus is to keep, then it's a moot point anyway, though in such a scenario i'd hope to see a better rationale than "others exist too". Bungle (talk • contribs) 21:54, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS does not say "Wikipedia users are forbidden from using logical induction". jp×g🗯️ 17:43, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- well like i said, most articles on mass tragedy events have redirects with the victims names. If you think its morally wrong or u dont agree with it, you should make this a bigger discussion and not just solely on the FedEx shooting. Elizzaflanagan221 (talk) 17:18, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Your argument that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is poor and is not in itself a reason why the aforementioned should be kept as redirects. We have to ask for what benefit and purpose does an article or redirect serve in its existence? I don't see any value in these redirects and as the victims are all deceased, cannot decide themselves if they'd want their identities associated with such an atrocity. I don't see any policy specific to this circumstance, which is probably why there is no agreed precedent. Bungle (talk • contribs) 13:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. I'm surprised there isn't a clear policy on this. We should be guided by WP:RPURPOSE. If the victim's name is widely known enough that "Killing of EXAMPLE" is a plausible article title and existing redirect, then I accept a redirect from "EXAMPLE" as well, because it is a plausible way that a reader might search for the relevant article, eg. Philando Castile, Jeff Doucet. Otherwise, I think we should avoid these redirects. I hold this position even, and maybe even especially, if the person is approaching notability for an article in their own right for reasons unrelated to their death. If there are other relevant articles on their life apart from their death, we don't want to usurp those by redirecting rather than showing search results. Daask (talk) 22:34, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, anyone searching for any of these people will be redirected to the only information Wikipedia has on them. -- Tavix (talk) 18:23, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- I feel like this entirely misses the point I made in the rationale. Besides, the event article doesn't actually hold information on the individuals (besides age). Relying on search results alone would still return this article, plus any unrelated articles mentioning an unrelated individual by the same name (which touches a little on Jay's thoughts below, although I disagree with the suggestion that we keep any). Bungle (talk • contribs) 14:20, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- As below:
- Karli Smith - Delete in preference to search results as she is also an Australian beauty pageant contestant
- Samaria Blackwell - Keep per Tavix
- John Weisert - Delete in preference to search results as also the name of a tobacco company
- Amarjit Sekhon - Keep, also mentioned wrt the shooting at Indian Americans
- Jasvinder Kaur - Delete in preference to search results - very common name, seen in multiple articles, also spelled as Jaswinder Kaur (with a w)
- Amarjeet Johal - Keep, also mentioned wrt the shooting at Indian Americans
- Jay 💬 06:43, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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Ruby and Sapphire[edit]
- Ruby and Sapphire → Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Ruby / Sapphire → Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Ruby and sapphire → Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
it pains me to say this, but the pokémon games don't seem to be the primary topic for mentions of those two specific minerals together. torn on retargeting to garnet (steven universe) as she's a fusion of the characters known as ruby and sapphire, to the list of steven universe characters as it includes ruby and sapphire, or just deleting, but will lean towards retargeting to the list cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:53, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep Ruby and Sapphire as marginally the primary tropic for that capitalization (over the Steven character{s}). Retarget Ruby and sapphire to Corundum as the primary topic for that capitalization. Delete Ruby / Sapphire due to ill-formatting and ambiguity. Hatnote as appropriate. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 20:37, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Ruby / Sapphire and Retarget Ruby and sapphire as per Godsy; his argument as per Ruby / Sapphire being ambiguous and poorly formatted is sound, and the lowercase "sapphire" means that it shouldn't be taken to be a proper name. Keep with hatnote Ruby and Sapphire; while Garnet is and remains my favorite ship (and ship name) in all of media, I find the idea that she's Primary here (over the best-selling GBA title) to be a case of WP:RECENTISM. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 21:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate Ruby and Sapphire as there are multiple possible meanings. Retarget Ruby and sapphire to the disambiguation and delete the third one as oddly formatted. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:43, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Ruby / Sapphire, ambiguously weird formatting. Keep Ruby and Sapphire, considering long-term cultural significance I think the Pokémon games win the primary topic here. Weak keep Ruby and sapphire, considering the non-proper case it could be retargeted to Corundum but I think the Pokémon games still stand. Generally I oppose making a disambiguation page as I don't think there are enough notable meanings to support it. TappyTurtle [talk | contribs] 15:17, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate Ruby and sapphire and retarget the other two there. (Oinkers42) (talk) 17:30, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: Noting that Ruby & Sapphire wasn't included in this nomination. Also, possibly relevant, but I once successfully nominated Red, Blue, and Yellow, Red, Blue and Yellow, and Red Blue and Yellow for retargeting to Primary color#Red, yellow, and blue as primary colors (link here). Depending on the outcome here it could also be worth considering whether Gold Silver and Crystal, Gold, Silver and Crystal, Gold, Silver, and Crystal, which redirect to Pokémon Gold and Silver, are appropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hey man im josh (talk • contribs) 12:15, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- didn't notice that i forgot to nominate that first one, whoops
- for the redirects to three entries, i didn't really bother because those specific groups of minerals don't tend to be clumped together as often outside of the context of pokémon (give or take crystal in other rpgs). i guess it's only a matter of time until a diamond and a pearl fusing somehow results in platinum, leading to age-long fandom wars, but until then, eh
- that aside, my vote can be changed to dabifying ruby and sapphire (lowercase s), retargeting the others to that, and deleting ruby / sapphire cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:41, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- I mean, the thing is, "red, blue, and yellow" definitely have the primary colors as primary target (ha), but I'm a lot iffier on corundum being the primary target for Ruby and Sapphire-- I'd say that your average layman might not know about the existence of corundum and the fact that ruby and sapphire are technically the same type of crystal. Hence why my original vote was to retarget the lowercase "Ruby and sapphire" to corundum, and allowing the capitalized versions to stay as per WP:DIFFCAPS.I wouldn't think that the Gold, Silver, and Crystal redirects should be moved at all-- while gold and silver together as a concept are very much not unique to Pokemon (heck, a certain stop-motion animation would lead us to believe it's mostly associated with christmas trees), add "crystal" to the mix and it's pretty unassailably the Johto GBC games. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 14:09, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate Ruby and Sapphire as it seems there's not one clear target. – The Grid (talk) 18:03, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
International Networking Working Group[edit]
- International Networking Working Group → International Network Working Group (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This article, which I created, uses an incorrect title. I moved it to the correct title but the redirect is not a name ever used in sources for this topic, so it's not a plausible alternative name that could justify a redirect. No articles link here. Propose deleting it to avoid confusion or it becoming a Wikipedia reflection on the Internet Whizz40 (talk) 18:06, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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Frank Blackmore (Emmerdale)[edit]
- Frank Blackmore (Emmerdale) → List of Emmerdale characters#Detective Inspector Frank Blackmore (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- DI Frank Blackmore → List of Emmerdale characters#Detective Inspector Frank Blackmore (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- DS Frank Blackmore → List of Emmerdale characters#Detective Inspector Frank Blackmore (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Since this is redirects for discussion and not deletion, when was the last time Frank Blackmore was mentioned here or in List of former Emmerdale characters? (in other words, not currently mentioned at target) Not only that, it was also a section link and now its broken. I wondered what had happened to it. Could this be retargeted to Daniel Coll where Frank Blackmore is mentioned?
I am also nominating DI Frank Blackmore for the exact same reason. (As a side note, I can't believe most of my edits today are to do with Emmerdale, where you normally sea me being involved with UK railways and video game related topics) JuniperChill (talk) 22:35, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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- I have added him to the appropriate list – List of Emmerdale characters (2006)#Frank Blackmore – and have changed the 3 redirects to reflect this. Hence, I advocate for keep. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 13:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Now its safe to say that since the issue is fixed, this can be closed as "withdrawn" or "fixed" now. And well done on fixing the List of Emmerdale characters (2024) after I tagged it because it uses sources from Metro WP:METRO which is not reliable. JuniperChill (talk) 17:41, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Sdn Bhd[edit]
- Sdn Bhd → Private company limited by shares (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Sendirian Berhad → Private company limited by shares (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention in article Isla🏳️⚧ 00:50, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment added Sendirian Berhad to this nomination (the expansion of the abbreviation sdn bhd, which points to the same target). Best course of action here might be to add a mention at some existing Malaysia-specific article (e.g. Companies Commission of Malaysia) where it could fit as a subtopic, and retarget there temporarily as a {{R with possibilities}}. The current target is extremely UK-specific. 59.149.117.119 (talk) 06:20, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
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Chhota Bheem 1[edit]
- Chhota Bheem 1 → Chhota Bheem and the Curse of Damyaan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Chhota Bheem 5 → Chhota Bheem and the Curse of Damyaan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The redirects doesn't make any sense. M S Hassan (talk) 07:38, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- @M S Hassan: I made these redirects (when I was going through the list of Indian film series), as a chronological search aid for theatrical films in order of release for the series.
- These, 1 and 5, should be targetted to the relevant articles (for the 2012 and 2024 film) respectively. Cheers. Gotitbro (talk) 08:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- @M S Hassan: If you agree, we can close this. Jay 💬 05:23, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Jay No, I don't agree. If the redirects contained "movie" within them, then I would have agreed. M S Hassan (talk) 05:37, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- @M S Hassan: If you agree, we can close this. Jay 💬 05:23, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 05:42, 25 June 2024 (UTC)- While I'd normally argue that Hassan's incorrect in that the redirects need the word "movie" in order to make sense, there's a bigger issue-- Chhota Bheem 1 and Chhota Bheem 5 are *not* the 2012 and 2024 versions of Curse of Damyaan. From what I can tell, the Chhota Bheem article contains a chronologically-sorted list of all Chhota Bheem films-- and the first and fifth films are Chhota Bheem Aur Krishna and Chhota Bheem: Journey to Petra, respectively, neither of which have articles. Even if that list isn't sorted chronologically, the article for the 2012 version of the film explicitly states that it's the eleventh Chhota Bheem film, not the first.Delete, as we don't have articles or information for the correct targets beyond an entry each in the list of the greater Chhota Bheem article. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 12:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Factory owner[edit]
- Factory owner → Businessperson (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Comparing the current target of this redirect, the former targets Bourgeoisie and Means of production, and Factory which doesn't seem to mention "owner(s)" ... it does not seem that there is a specific article readers may be attempting to locate when searching this phrase. Steel1943 (talk) 23:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Another potential target is business magnate, which is where industrialist points. - Eureka Lott 00:41, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to business magnate as a {{R avoided double redirect}} of Industrialist. I wouldn't be opposed to disambiguation though as while I think the other suggests are less likely they aren't completely implausible. Thryduulf (talk) 08:50, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete I doubt readers are using "factory owner" to search up "business magnate". It is not a set phrase that means something other than the sum of its parts. Business magnate does not have any info about factories. It is too vague to be useful. Ca talk to me! 09:03, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to business magnate - agree with Ca that it is a bit vague - but the lead definition in the magnate article ("a powerful entrepreneur and investor who controls, through personal enterprise ownership or a dominant shareholding position, a firm or industry") does encapsulate factory owners, even though it's a little loose. BugGhost🪲👻 10:57, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't believe all factory owners are business magnates though. Some factory owners run small, un-notable squeaky duck toy factories and I wouldn't call them "business magnates" or "tycoons" Ca talk to me! 14:11, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with you on that, which is why I went weak - I wouldn't lose any sleep if this redirect gets deleted because what you're saying makes sense BugGhost🪲👻 13:51, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't believe all factory owners are business magnates though. Some factory owners run small, un-notable squeaky duck toy factories and I wouldn't call them "business magnates" or "tycoons" Ca talk to me! 14:11, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment - I feel that this phrase is significantly more commonly used in leftist discourse than otherwise. To non-leftist discourse, the factory owner is typically not a specific person or a social class but rather a legal entity such as a corporation, and would not generally be referred to as a "factory owner". I'm not sure business magnate is a good target, as while "factory owners" might be included there, said magnates also prominently includes non-factory non-"means of production" types of wealthy investors (such as Bill Gates and Rupert Murdoch), which would be outside the usual discourse brought up when the term factory owner is used. Can anyone really find instances of this term used in a non-leftist-discourse context? Fieari (talk)
Drake LaRoche[edit]
- Drake LaRoche → Adam LaRoche#Personal life (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Redirects to an article where there is no mention of him. Lost in Quebec (talk) 10:28, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere else on Wikipedia either. Steel1943 (talk) 19:46, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- He was mentioned on there, until that was removed. He should be mentioned, considering that he received wide coverage in connection with his father's retirement in 2016. This was not incidental naming, but news articles directly about Drake LaRoche.
- See: The Athletic (2021), NBC (on the "Drake LaRoche saga"), Sports Illustrated, Washington Post, CBS Sports, Sports Illustrated, again, etc. D. Benjamin Miller (talk) 01:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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Kristian Taska[edit]
- Kristian Taska → Taska Film (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
has SIGCOV, hence we need a red link to show that standalone article is missing in enwiki Estopedist1 (talk) 10:01, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Per the target article, without sources, seems the subject of the redirect has a WP:ONEEVENT-ish connection to its target, considering other subtopics of the subject of the redirect seem to not have articles. Steel1943 (talk) 19:44, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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Hendrik Sal-Saller[edit]
has SIGCOV, hence we need a red link to show that standalone article is missing in enwiki Estopedist1 (talk) 10:04, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep as a {{R from member}} since deleting the redirect would hinder navigation, even considering WP:RETURNTORED. That, and if the nominator sees the potential to create an article, nothing is really stopping them from overwriting the redirect with an article. Steel1943 (talk) 19:38, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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Template:WikiProject Open Access/OAFD[edit]
- Template:WikiProject Open Access/OAFD → Wikipedia:WikiProject Open/Open access task force/Open Access File of the Day (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Cross namespace redirect that existed for 22 minutes. Gonnym (talk) 10:13, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Template → Wikipedia CNRs are uncommon but only problematic if transcluding the target would be harmful in some way (or it conflicts with something else). In this case it's not harmful (transclusion works fine) and it doesn't appear to be in the way of anything else. That said it isn't transcluded anywhere and I can't think of a reason why it would be transcluded (unlike {{OAFD}}). Ultimately I think I'm neutral. Thryduulf (talk) 11:08, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Ignore - It's not that I'm expressly saying keep (although that would be the result of following my !vote here) I'm just saying that it's utterly harmless and not worthy of even the miniscule amount of time it would take to delete it. Fieari (talk) 23:59, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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Emigration from North Korea[edit]
- Emigration from North Korea → North Korean defectors (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This may refer to multiple topics. I propose to retarget it to Category:North Korean diaspora. GZWDer (talk) 12:51, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. The pages included in the category more throughly covers the topic. Ca talk to me! 12:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget, but to Korean diaspora, instead, to avoid creating an unnecessary WP:CNR. - Eureka Lott 10:44, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- I support Eureka Lott's proposal. Yue🌙 22:26, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- This is also fine too. Ca talk to me! 11:44, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to the category. The Korean diaspora article contains only two passing mentions of emigrants from North Korea, one simply noting the name by which they are called and the second relates only to the 1950s. Landing there provides essentially no relevant information for people using this search term, while the category isn't perfect it contains links to directly relevant information in multiple articles. In this instance the CNR is much more useful to the reader. Thryduulf (talk) 09:40, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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The Hollies' Greatest Hits (1968 West German album)[edit]
- The Hollies' Greatest Hits (1968 West German album) → The Hollies (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I can't find anything in Enwiki about a 1968 album, here, or at The Hollies discography (which in any case would be a better target). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:27, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Hollies' Greatest, a 1968 Greatest Hits album by The Hollies that was released in Germany. Thryduulf (talk) 09:51, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per Thryduulf - looks like that's the intended article BugGhost🪲👻 09:07, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Hollies' Greatest is a British album released by Parlophone. Per the edit history, the West German album was released by Hansa Records. The track listings are also different, which all but confirms these are different pressings. -- Tavix (talk) 16:12, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- I can't find any non–user generated sources, but I'm fairly certain that the West German album and Hollies' Greatest are in fact separate (they seem to have separate covers for one), so that is not a good retargeting option. Retargeting to the discography would be a good option if it was on there, but it's not, and I know too little about the area to properly search for sources to add it to the discography. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 21:48, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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Tom (programming language)[edit]
- Tom (programming language) → Tom#Acronyms (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- TOM (programming language) → Tom#Acronyms (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- TOM (programming language) (disambiguation) → Tom#Acronyms (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- TOM computer language → Tom#Acronyms (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- TOM programming language → Tom#Acronyms (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Tom and List of programming languages only lists one programming language called Tom or TOM – Tom (pattern matching language) – so I suggest retarget, delete, delete. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget 1 and 2.
Delete 2Delete 3: per WhatamIdoing. Cos (X + Z) 20:22, 5 June 2024 (UTC) Support per nom. Daask (talk) 21:30, 5 June 2024 (UTC)- Retarget 1 and 2. TOM was originally an acronym meaning To One Matching, so "TOM" was the original capitalization and should not be deleted.[21] WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:15, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- 1) Retarget, 2) Retarget, 3) Delete per WhatamIdoing. Good catch. Daask (talk) 23:08, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment TOM (programming language) should not be deleted. It contains the early history of the proposed target. I have added {{Copied}} to both talk pages to indicate that. I have also added the ur-redirects TOM computer language and TOM programming language to this nomination. Their fate should be considered, too—Ketil Trout (<><!) 17:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- My !vote would be to delete TOM (programming language) (disambiguation) and retarget the other four to the proposed target.—Ketil Trout (<><!) 17:44, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete TOM (programming language) (disambiguation). Also, move Tom (pattern matching language) to Tom (programming language), and target the other redirects there. Steel1943 (talk) 17:45, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete TOM (programming language) (disambiguation) and TOM computer language, Move Tom (pattern matching language) to Tom (programming language), Redirect the rest to Tom (programming language) and create TOM (computer language). I know that this is somewhat of a clusterfuck of actions, but
- Delete redirects due to TOM (programming language) (disambiguation) having consensus against redirects with parenthetical disambiguation and (disambiguation) and TOM computer language per WP:CONSISTENT with redirs such as C (computer language) and per WP:PANDORA.
- Move per Steel1943.
- Redirect the rest per above.
- Create TOM (computer language) per my reasoning for deleting TOM computer language.
- mwwv converse∫edits 16:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- WP:PANDORA should not be used; see user:Lunamann/Please, put Pandora back in the boxThat said, support these actions; save for the citing of WP:PANDORA, all of this seems correct to me. (WP:CONSISTENT can support the deletion of TOM computer language on its own.) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 20:35, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- I want to note that the last discussion on double disambiguation that I know of (Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 14#INTDABLINK of redirects from incomplete disambiguation) ended in no consensus, so unless things have changed without my knowledge and none of those redirects have been deleted since, there is not a consensus against double disambiguation. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 20:10, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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Druisk[edit]
This redirect is simply incorrect. It stems from a misinterpretation of a redirect in a paper encyclopedia printed over 100 years ago. Druysk is an agrotown in Vitebsk Oblast, Belarus, near Braslaw. It is situated over 200 km away from Kaunas, Lithuania. The mixup arose because the Jewish Encyclopedia (1906) contains the following entry:
- DRUISK. See Kovno.
However, this just refers to the fact that Druysk belonged to the Kovno Governorate of the Russian Empire, an administrative division which covered a fairly large area, including Braslaw and its environs. For confirmation of this fact, one may consult this 1864 map of Kovno Governorate. Druysk (Друйскъ) is in fact the easternmost labelled locality on the whole map, found within the yellow-green (i.e., primarily Orthodox) region centered around Braslaw (Браславъ).
The Jewish Encyclopedia does this with other localities as well. For example, the entries for Dusyaty (Dusetos; Russian: Дусяты Dusyaty) and Eiragoly (Ariogala; Yiddish: אייראַגאָלע Eyragole) also redirect the reader to Kovno, and the entry for Eishishki (Eišiškės) points to Wilna.
What's even more confusing is the online version of the Jewish Encyclopedia hosted on StudyLight.org, cited in the previous RfD discussion, which includes full entries for these redirect entries that just transclude the content of the redirect target, without any indication that this is what's happening. Thus, the entry for Druisk is identical to the entry for Kovno, except for the header; the same applies to Eishishki and Wilna, and so forth.
Lastly, and perhaps most importantly, I would like to solidify the argument for deletion by showing that other written sources that talk about “Druisk” are in fact referring to the city in present-day Belarus and not using it as a synonym for Kaunas.
- Cholawsky, Shalom (1998). The Jews of Bielorussia During World War II. Routledge. ISBN 9057021935.
- "Druisk" is mentioned alongside other towns in Belarus (e.g. Braslav, Glebokie, Dolhinov) and eastern Lithuania near the Belarusian border (e.g. Swienciany, Podbrodzh). None of these locations are near Kaunas.
- Petronis, Vytautas (2007). Constructing Lithuania: Ethnic Mapping in Tsarist Russia, Ca. 1800-1914. Stockholm University. ISBN 978-91-89315-78-5.
- “Druisk” is described as being on the Dvina River, in the Vitebsk province. Mostly accurate, but the author (or I) might be slightly confused. Druysk is not directly on the Dvina, which actually forms the border between the nearby towns of Druya, Belarus and Piedruja, Latvia. The Dvina is approximately 10 km from Druysk. In fact, the place-names Druya, Druysk, and Piedruja all refer to the Druya/Druyka tributary of the Dvina. In any case, nothing to do with the city of Kaunas.
- Lokotko, Aleksandr; et al. (2013). Tourist Mosaic of Belarus. Belaruskaya navuka. ISBN 978-5-457-63663-7.
By the way, in the course of researching this, I also noticed that Eiragoly → Eiguliai is probably another incorrect redirect. As mentioned above, this refers to Ariogala (here's a source to support the identification), not the Eiguliai neighborhood of Kaunas whose name is pretty different anyway. I hypothesize that the author of this redirect also created it based on the Jewish Encyclopedia, but in that case tried to make sense of it by finding a part of Kaunas with a somewhat similar name.
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- Very thorough, I'm certainly convinced. Druisk should ideally redirect to an article about Druysk if/when created. – Ploni💬 00:46, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- I think per above that deletion (or retargeting) is fine if there isn't a good current target with no objection to recreation if a suitable target is found or content added to one. (I voted keep in the earlier discussion.) Skynxnex (talk) 15:32, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
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June 24[edit]
Wikipedia:FM[edit]
- Wikipedia:FM → Wikipedia:WikiProject Freemasonry (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I think we should disambiguate, there are so many topics for this like WikiProject FSM (Federated states of micronesia), File Mover, Featured media, the wikiproject film filmmaking task force, wikiproject film, wikiproject french military history and more. I personally think disambiguate but I'm wondering if anyone objects to this. 48JCL 22:40, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate with WP:WikiProject Radio, WP:WikiProject Radio stations, WP:FSMicronesia -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 08:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not well experienced with precedent on internal shortcuts but my gut is saying Keep, maybe add the other projects to the current hatnote. These internal shortcuts are only useful if they're consistent - I assume people don't use them by typing
WP:(some acronym they assume relates to the topic)
and hoping for the best, but by remembering the specific shortcuts for the specific topics. They aren't like search terms, which require occasional disambiguation, they're concrete shortcuts to specific places - they either link to the correct place or they're useless. Are there any existing examples of a WP: shortcut going to a disambiguation? Feels incorrect to me, but happy to be proven wrong BugGhost🪲👻 15:35, 25 June 2024 (UTC)- eg. WP:A just goes to WP:Attribution, not a disambig between WP:Administrators, WP:Articles, WP:Arbcom, WP:Autobiography, etc. BugGhost🪲👻 15:45, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- There are many WP-space disambiguation pages. WP:1st (disambiguation) has the parenthetical, while WP:PT does not, but does has the redirect WP:PT (disambiguation) -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 20:45, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for digging out some examples - Looks like WP:1st (disambiguation) was only created to reduce an unwieldy hatnote on a page aimed at new users. Going through WP:PT's history it looks like it faced a couple of takeovers (for Portugal, and Primary Topic) which led to a disambiguation page to compromise. I don't think those rationales apply to this case, as WP:FM's history is unchanged since 2006, and more topics could be added to the hatnote if necessary. BugGhost🪲👻 08:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- WP:ASK is a disambiguation page, making it completely useless as a shortcut. Thryduulf (talk) 09:42, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for digging out some examples - Looks like WP:1st (disambiguation) was only created to reduce an unwieldy hatnote on a page aimed at new users. Going through WP:PT's history it looks like it faced a couple of takeovers (for Portugal, and Primary Topic) which led to a disambiguation page to compromise. I don't think those rationales apply to this case, as WP:FM's history is unchanged since 2006, and more topics could be added to the hatnote if necessary. BugGhost🪲👻 08:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- There are many WP-space disambiguation pages. WP:1st (disambiguation) has the parenthetical, while WP:PT does not, but does has the redirect WP:PT (disambiguation) -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 20:45, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as per BugGhost. I similarly can't think of any Wikipedia-namespace disambig pages; most to all disambiguation in WP namespace is done via extensive hatnoting. Similarly, WP:UPPERCASE is not a reason to delete or retarget WP-namespace shortcut redirects, but instead something for the editor citing said redirects to keep in mind. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:32, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose disambiguation. Most project space shortcuts are ambiguous, and disambiguating them is very rarely a good solution. No expressed opinion on a target (though my sympathies certainly lie with radio, my rationality does not). — Godsy (TALKCONT) 08:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. All the incoming links indicate that when it is used it is used with the expectation of it linking to where it has done for 18 years. Retargetting would break links unnecessarily and change the meaning of old comments, disambiguation would break links without brining any benefits. Thryduulf (talk) 09:45, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
User:Arado Ar 196/Userbox/Userbox Yuri fanatic[edit]
- User:Arado Ar 196/Userbox/Userbox Yuri fanatic → Template:Userbox Yuri fanatic (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Same as Gay Communist Anime Userbox redirect Ahri Boy (talk) 17:29, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per my other comment TappyTurtle [talk | contribs] 20:10, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. Unless requested by the user themselves, there is rarely a reason to delete a redirect from a user subpage, and only extremely rarely when it is the result of a page move. Thryduulf (talk) 09:58, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
User:Arado Ar 196/Userbox/Global Gay Communist Anime[edit]
- User:Arado Ar 196/Userbox/Global Gay Communist Anime → Template:User Global Gay Communist Anime (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unused user subpage Ahri Boy (talk) 17:27, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- FYI for future reference please nominate all related redirects you want to nominate at the same time, as explained in WP:RFDHOWTO; anyway these should be Kept, created from a page move and no reason to delete (and I'm not sure why these userspace templates were moved anyway). TappyTurtle [talk | contribs] 19:57, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. Unless requested by the user themselves, there is rarely a reason to delete a redirect from a user subpage, and only extremely rarely when it is the result of a page move. Thryduulf (talk) 09:58, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
SearXNG[edit]
The original Searx is no longer supported, and SearXNG is different enough to warrant its own article. I've started a draft here: Draft:SearXNG Benpiano800 (talk) 18:40, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
Bird (company)[edit]
- Bird (company) → Bird Global (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Redirect to Bird (disambiguation)#Businesses and organisations. Ambiguous, other companies named Bird 162 etc. (talk) 18:19, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to make less ambiguous. Benpiano800 (talk) 21:02, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom --Lenticel (talk) 00:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to disambig per nom BugGhost🪲👻 10:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom. Thryduulf (talk) 09:59, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
List of Pokémon (0)[edit]
- List of Pokémon (0) → MissingNo. (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
pretty funny, but not a list, and could also apply to victini. thought about redirecting to the list of gen 1 pokémon, but that seems even more implausible. thoughts? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:58, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Error: MissingRedirect. (This is a delete vote.) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 00:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as inaccurate at best --Lenticel (talk) 01:33, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above. Highly implausible search term. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 16:47, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
redirects to unmanned combat aerial vehicle[edit]
- Military drone → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Combat drone → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Combat drones → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Armed drone → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Weaponized drone → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Attack drone → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Battlefield UAV → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- battlefield unmanned aerial vehicle → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Non-US battlefield UAVs → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- International Battlefield UAVs (2) → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- International Battlefield UAVs (1) → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- International Battlefield UAVs → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These need retargetting, as these are not specific to UCAV. Military drones can be unarmed, such as the Global Hawk, and most target drones (Q-planes) like the QF-4 (retired fighter converted to target drone). Armed drones are not restricted to UCAVs, such as sea drones operated by Ukraine that have sunk many Russian ships. On the Ukrainian battlefield, armed and unarmed land drones (unmanned ground vehicle -- UGV) also are being used, as are armed and unarmed aerial drones (UAV - unmanned aerial vehicle). Both the US and China have demonstrated drone tanks and robot dogs with machine guns. Police have tracked ground drones armed with shotguns, so not just militaries have armed drones. UXOD and landmine clearing also use military ground drones.
-- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 13:36, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment International Battlefield UAVs (1) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) and International Battlefield UAVs (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) should probably have a round robin swap, since the edit history is located at (1) and no significant history is located at the base name. That would allow deletion of (1) and International Battlefield UAVs (2) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) as useless numbered redirects from old swaps -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 14:08, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment if there is no better target, they should retarget to drone (disambiguation) page, that lists various types of drones. -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 20:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete International Battlefield UAVs and International Battlefield UAVs (2), as they appear to have been created during a botched round robin move. Then move International Battlefield UAVs (1) to International Battlefield UAVs without leaving a redirect, as its revision history is likely worth keeping. At the moment, I'm not sure what to do about the rest, but I agree that their current target is not optimal. - ZLEA T\C 05:50, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
List of articles every Wikipedia should have[edit]
- List of articles every Wikipedia should have → meta:List of articles every Wikipedia should have (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Navelgazing, fails WP:SSRT. Note that this is not a deletion nomination of Wikipedia:List of articles every Wikipedia should have, which is a good soft redirect. But this is not a common search term for our readers. Fram (talk) 13:29, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete not content for the readership, this is for the editorship -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 02:29, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per IP above: the Meta page is purely project-related, so the redirect in the Wikipedia namespace makes sense but an article-space redirect does not. Tollens (talk) 05:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and IP. I expected this to be an ancient holdover from before namespaces existed, but it actually dates from this month. Thryduulf (talk) 11:59, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as per WP:XNR, nom, and Thryduulf. I get that Meta isn't technically a namespace, but the argument against cross-namespace redirects also applies here; as stated by IP, this redirect does not belong in article-space. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 12:15, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above, this is something that makes sense for projectspace, not for articlespace. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 04:21, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Vacuum circuit breaker[edit]
- Vacuum circuit breaker → Circuit breaker (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Retarget to vacuum interrupter. A redirect to circuit breaker as current is a bit surprising (WP:PLA) as users wont search VCB in order to get to circuit breakers. Couruu (talk) 12:57, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Agree. It is so obvious that you can go ahead and do it under WP:BEBOLD.
- Constant314 (talk) 13:19, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
Porch monkey[edit]
- Porch monkey → List of ethnic slurs#P (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Porch Monkey → List of ethnic slurs#P (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No longer mentioned at target. The second redirect is fully protected, so I cannot tag it. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:33, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- It is mentioned at List of ethnic slurs and epithets by ethnicity, although that article does seem like a WP:CFORK to me. 162 etc. (talk) 02:45, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that List of ethnic slurs and epithets by ethnicity and List of ethnic slurs have a CFORK problem; the only difference scope-wise is sorting order, with the original target being alphabetically sorted by the slurs and the other list being sorted by target ethnicity. This issue should probably be resolved (and the two pages possibly re-merged) before we figure out where this should target. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 13:04, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note I've added the RfD tag to the second redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 12:01, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Kart[edit]
Retarget to Go-kart. "Kart" refers to the vehicle itself. Seems uncontroversial, but it's pointed at the current target for 20 years and there's a fair number of incoming links, so I'm putting up for discussion. 162 etc. (talk) 01:55, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment It appears that Kart was a standalone article merged into Kart racing in 2004. Go-kart was then expanded into a standalone article in 2011. 162 etc. (talk) 02:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Go-kart per nom. Fieari (talk) 05:03, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom. Also, closing admin, please be sure to move the hatnote from Kart racing to Go-kart to match. Given the close association between the two subjects (Go-karts being the type of vehicle used in kart racing), there shouldn't be too much in the way of issues regarding off-site incoming links; we only need to worry about onsite links. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 13:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment would Shifter kart (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) also need retargetting to go-kart ? That is also a term used for the racing vehicle, and not the sport -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 13:43, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Currently "Shifter kart" is not mentioned at Go-kart. I've just added a section move tag on the Kart racing article that would resolve this. Support. 162 etc. (talk) 15:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
June 23[edit]
Double Disc Album[edit]
- Double Disc Album → Double album (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Technically not useful as the redirect Double disc album (the correct spelling) already exists and MediaWiki isn't case sensitive. Killarnee (talk) 22:46, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- ...what? I often use the URL bar to type in my searches, and if I make a capitalization error there outside of the first character, it doesn't take me to the correct place. Keep as MediaWiki is case-sensitive, and I'd recommend withdrawing unless you want to go against the precedent of the entirety of Category:Redirects from miscapitalisations. (WP:RCAPS is also worth mentioning). Skarmory (talk • contribs) 00:04, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
I often use the URL bar to type in my searches, and if I make a capitalization error there outside of the first character, it doesn't take me to the correct place.
Here's a tip: While the URL bar is case sensitive (and has to be; we have plenty of articles where case is relevant; see MAVEN vs Maven), the Search bar isn't, unless there are extant separate articles for each capitalization. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 16:05, 17 June 2024 (UTC)- I know that much, but it's a habit that's hard to break. I do it while knowing the search function is better; who's to say there's not people that do it while not knowing much about the search function? Besides, this excerpt from WP:RCAPS shows some other areas where case-sensitivity is important:
While Wikipedia's search function is generally case-insensitive, these redirects aid linking from other articles and external sites.
Skarmory (talk • contribs) 17:28, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- I know that much, but it's a habit that's hard to break. I do it while knowing the search function is better; who's to say there's not people that do it while not knowing much about the search function? Besides, this excerpt from WP:RCAPS shows some other areas where case-sensitivity is important:
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:34, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as a normal {{R from miscapitalisation}}. Skynxnex (talk) 04:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Skynxnex and Skarmory. The URL bar is not the only case sensitive method of navigating Wikipedia, and we should always be agnostic to which method people use. Thryduulf (talk) 09:36, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
City of Auckland[edit]
- City of Auckland → Auckland City (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The City of Auckland is a distinct entity from Auckland City. It is not discussed in proper detail in the Auckland article nor the Auckland City article. I do believe it has the merits to meet notability on it's own: e.g. https://www.gutenberg.org/files/46925/46925-h/46925-h.htm Deletion would be the best option as it doesn't mislead readers into a different entity and might encourage someone to create an article on it. Traumnovelle (talk) 22:25, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep All that's needed is to tag it with Template:R with possibilities. I've done so. Schwede66 08:39, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- I still don't believe it's a good redirect. Auckland City is completely different to the City of Auckland. It'd be like having New York County redirect to New York City. It is only a partial continuation in area and most of Auckland City's area is from the County of Eden. The term being redirected serves to confuse the reader into thinking City of Auckland (note the important capitalisation as a proper noun) is just another name for Auckland or Auckland City. Traumnovelle (talk) 09:14, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Write content seems to be the obvious answer here. It needn't be more than a short paragraph detailing the status, extent, etc. on whichever of Auckland or Auckland City is the broader. This redirect can then be targetted there. Thryduulf (talk) 09:43, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe there should be an article on the district that has existed since 2010 just like City of York deals with the district that was created in 1996 even though there was one that existed from 1835 to 1996. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:43, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Calesín:[edit]
Dante' stallworth[edit]
- Dante' stallworth → Donté Stallworth (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete for multiple errors. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:37, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete 24 views in a year and none this month. Traumnovelle (talk) 22:28, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 01:48, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Draftspace to userspace XNRs[edit]
- Draft:Fanoflionking/sandbox → User talk:Fanoflionking (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Draft:Gråbergs Gråa Sång/sandbox/GGS Workspace → User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång/sandbox/GGS Workspace (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Draft:Immanuelle/Unsubmitted shrines → User:Immanuelle/Draft Staggering (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Draft:Mersal/Vivegam Remix(Boys Brand Creation) → User:Abishe/Infobox (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Draft:KillarneeBot → User:KillarneeBot (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Draft:VikasGodara0001/VKG Royal Controller → User:VikasGodara0001 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
XNRs from draftspace to userspace from the list provided by User:Dsuke1998AEOS in Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2024_June_15#Draft:Immanuelle/Draft_Staggering. None of these redirects lead to drafts and such pages should not have been made in draftspace in the first place. I did not nominate any redirect that leads to a draft, but I wouldn't be opposed to deleting those if someone else wanted to. Nickps (talk) 13:38, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all Each appears to have been created by accident, and serves no functional navigational purpose. Ca talk to me! 13:45, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Fine by me. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:10, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Added Draft:VikasGodara0001/VKG Royal Controller which I missed. It leads to a user page. Nickps (talk) 16:46, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all per nom (who in turn cites me!). All of these redirects were created in error. WP:RDRAFT only specifies that redirects from draft to article namespace should be kept, but it says nothing about redirects leading to other namespaces. For that reason, I would also support deleting the other redirects in the list. Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 17:23, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
Red Flag (nuclear weapon)[edit]
- Red Flag (nuclear weapon) → WE.177 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
There is no mention of "red flag" in the article making this redirect confusing. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:04, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- So fix the article. This originally belonged in Category:Rainbow Codes, but that was stupidly deleted. It might still be mentioned at List of Rainbow Codes. Andy Dingley (talk) 13:14, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
Tone (color)[edit]
- Tone (color) → Lightness (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Tone (color theory) → Tint, shade and tone (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These two redirects should point to the same article. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:40, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Tone is an ambiguous term? There are separate articles about color and color theory – and color science! – and colorimetry and color appearance model! In English, "tone" has many meanings; the applicable meaning here is " The shade or quality of a colour." (disambiguation of an ambiguous term by a definition which uses more ambiguous terms). Is there really such a thing as color quality (quality (color)?? – wbm1058 (talk) 10:02, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
The lockdowns[edit]
- The lockdowns → COVID-19 lockdowns (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
While the COVID-19 measures are probably the freshest in people's memories, I think that "the lockdowns" is too broad to use as a redirect to that topic and therefore propose retargeting to the general topic of lockdown. Sdrqaz (talk) 02:11, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Regerget as {{R from plural}}. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:42, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rererget per above. If the readers were looking for the covid lockdown in particular, they can scroll down to the section covering it easily. Ca talk to me! 13:49, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per The pandemic and Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 April 9#The pandemic; while there may be some WP:RECENTISM, most who will use the term "the lockdowns" (emphasis on the), will likely be referring to the COVID lockdowns, especially with the established precedent of "the pandemic." — Knightoftheswords 23:10, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
RehergetI mean keep - agreeing with Knight, the lockdowns is likely intended to be the covid lockdowns BugGhost🪲👻 08:05, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep literally 100% of the results on the first five pages (when I stopped looking) of a Google search for "The lockdowns" -Wikipedia refer to the Covid-19 lockdowns - you can't get a clearer example of a primary topic. Usually for something like this I'd expect to find mentions of one or more non-notable bands, esports teams, instagram users or something like that, but I'm just not. Thryduulf (talk) 09:48, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
Retargegper LaundryPizza, Ca, and Nom. I find the idea that "The lockdowns" is specifically primary to COVID-19 lockdowns to be a severe case of WP:RECENTISM; the Covid-19 pandemic was a massive global event, yes, but so was, say, World War 1. Four years after WW1, it was probably extremely easy to say "The War" and people knew you were talking about WW1; ten or twenty years after WW1, not so much. If people really are looking for the Covid-19 lockdowns, the proposed retarget-- Lockdown-- has a hatnote to it right at the top of the page. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 13:12, 24 June 2024 (UTC)- What matters for the purposes of redirects is what people are looking for now. What people might be looking for in 10 or 20 years (or even 2 years) is irrelevant WP:CRYSTALBALL-gazing. If the primary topic changes then we can and should change the target of the redirect, but we do readers a disservice by not taking them to what they want to read directly now because they might (or might not) be looking for something different later. Thryduulf (talk) 23:30, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- ...I suppose that's fair. Withdrawing vote. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 00:17, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- What matters for the purposes of redirects is what people are looking for now. What people might be looking for in 10 or 20 years (or even 2 years) is irrelevant WP:CRYSTALBALL-gazing. If the primary topic changes then we can and should change the target of the redirect, but we do readers a disservice by not taking them to what they want to read directly now because they might (or might not) be looking for something different later. Thryduulf (talk) 23:30, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Lockdown doesn't really list specific lockdowns, if List of lockdowns existed this would be a better target but otherwise I'd probably suggest to keep as is. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:46, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- List of lockdowns should be linked in a hatnote from the present target if it is created, but it should not be the target itself due to the present target being the overwhelming primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 09:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
June 22[edit]
Gaza death camp[edit]
- Gaza death camp → Gaza Strip (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete for obvious severe neutrality concerns. There's also "Gaza concentration camp" and "Gaza extermination camp" which I'm too lazy to include at the moment. Anonymous 19:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Gaza humanitarian crisis (2023–present). We have lots of non-neutral redirects, and some of them are indeed quite offensive. But I don't see how these ones in particular do any harm. —Trilletrollet [ Talk | Contribs ] 21:15, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete for NPOV, per nom. Longhornsg (talk) 20:09, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or Retarget to Gaza humanitarian crisis (2023–present), per WP:RNEUTRAL, redirects do not need to be neutral. The term has seen some use [22][23], however I am not sure if it qualifies as common use. However my suggested retarget contains more information about deaths in Gaza strip. Ca talk to me! 08:12, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Good points, I've updated my vote. —Trilletrollet [ Talk | Contribs ] 08:37, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget as per Ca. As mentioned, WP:RNEUTRAL dictates that redirects do not need to be neutral; not only are redirects much harder to see (your average reader isn't going to use the "what links here" tool), but also, if someone were to use a non-neutral search term for whatever reason (for example, "hey, I've heard this term being batted around, what the heck are people talking about?"), we shouldn't keep them from reaching the information we have on the topic.I agree that the Gaza Humanitarian Crisis article is a better target than Gaza Strip. However, barring the retarget, I would prefer keep over deletion. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 13:10, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- However, Lunamann, in your example, the person would not actually learn anything about the term and simply be redirected to a vaguely relevant article. You are certainly right that being useful is more important than neutrality when it comes to redirects, but the fact that the redirect has had exactly one view barring yesterday, having been around for about a month, does not help its case on that end either. Anonymous 18:41, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget as per Ca. BugGhost🪲👻 12:58, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, at most this is a flowery epithet. It may not even be a single term, "death camp" serves as a descriptor for Gaza [24][25][26]. The term serves no navigational use as a redirect, anyone who knows about the Gaza strip would be searching for that, and anyone who is genuinely seeking it out as a term will only be obliquely helped by redirecting to the humanitarian crisis. Another consideration is that searching Gaza death camp without quotes on google brings up actual specific camps, such as the Sde Teiman detention camp, and it does seem a plausible descriptor for that too. CMD (talk) 07:38, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Delete for severe NPOV. DaringDonna (talk) 20:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note that, per WP:RNEUTRAL, redirects do not need to be neutral. Ca talk to me! 07:13, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 20:14, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete this one and the others. While they don’t have to be neutral, they do need to be somewhat commonly used, and this isn’t. FortunateSons (talk) 00:00, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Hot magenta[edit]
- Hot magenta → Shades of magenta#Hot magenta (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Primary topic should be the list of Crayola crayon colors, as the color isn't notable enough to cover in the current target article. 24.194.71.209 (talk) 19:15, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - List of Crayola crayon colors#Fluorescent crayons does cover the color (also briefly mentioned in passing at Timeline of Crayola), whereas the current target does not. The other option would be List of colors (alphabetical)#G–H, where the color is also listed in a more generalized way. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 21:19, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Please note that this color was covered at the target until very recently, when it and several other shades were removed from the article. - Eureka Lott 07:09, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- ...I'm not entirely certain why Hot Magenta and other shades were removed from the article there? Gonna move that to the talk page of the article, but in the meantime, I'm withholding my vote. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 08:44, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Hot Magenta has now been reinstated back in at Shades of magenta#Hot magenta - assuming it stays there and doesn't get removed again, this redirect is worth keeping as-is BugGhost🪲👻 07:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Bugghost. Thryduulf (talk) 09:55, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
List of celebrities in The Simpsons[edit]
Skymont (microarchitecture)[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 29#Skymont (microarchitecture)
Sheiße[edit]
This is an WP:RLANG from what I guess is a misspelling of German Scheiße. Although Wiktionary says the correct spelling is also an English word, its use as such is not discussed in the article, and the misspelling does not appear in the article at all. I suggest retargeting it to Scheisse, to which "Scheiße" already redirects. PleaseStand (talk) 10:41, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget as per nom. In german, the ß character (aka the Eszette) is functionally interchangeable with two S-es. Therefore, this is functionally the exact same as typing "Sheisse", and we can easily retarget it to Scheisse as an R from misspelling. Normally I'd discard it as a simple WP:RLANG, but there's no sense doing that when there's a clear target. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 11:27, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- retarget to Scheisse as Scheiße already does. And tag as r from misspelling. Skynxnex (talk) 03:22, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
The Bell- Iris Murdoch[edit]
- The Bell- Iris Murdoch → The Bell (novel) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete this incorrectly-formatted redirect. The Bell (Iris Murdoch novel) exists. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:55, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as unlikely typographic error. Ca talk to me! 13:53, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
Template:Bio-coat rack[edit]
- Template:Bio-coat rack → Template:Coatrack (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
tagged at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 11#Unused already-merged Bio_coatrack et al but not listed (due to an error by me, I apparently failed to copy over all three entries). * Pppery * it has begun... 05:54, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:VN[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 29#Wikipedia:VN
Partisan movement[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 29#Partisan movement
Megabucks (slot machine)[edit]
Kelvin Lim[edit]
- Kelvin Lim → Kelvin Lim Hock Hin (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This redirect should be deleted, as all it serves is to redirect the Singaporean Basketball player Kelvin Lim to the completely unrelated criminal Kelvin Lim Hock Hin. There is no relation mentioned anywhere online or on Kelvin Lim Hock Hin's page. JubaTuba (talk) 05:59, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, this is a WP:PTM and nom clearly lays out how it could be harmful. I will note that unless someone makes an actual page for Kelvin Lim, this issue will still persist in a form-- the search results pulled up by searching Kelvin Lim will still likely have Kelvin Lim Hock Hin at the very top of the list due to it being a partial title match. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 06:20, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- The nom has not established notability of the basketball player. There's no case for REDLINK, since this is a valid alternate spelling of the name for the criminal. It is his "English name" in the Singaporean context. If the basketball player gets an article, then this can be revisited. -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 07:30, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete for safety. If someone is named Kelvin Lim, it could be devastating if someone googled their name and got this page. This is a WP:BLP-adjacent issue. Fieari (talk) 06:24, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- The current target article's person is named "Kelvin Lim", it's right there in the infobox. Does that mean we need to delete all redirects to all criminals? Make criminal biographies impossible to find? What if there's some other person who is named "Kelvin Lim Hock Hin without an article somewhere in the world? Does that mean we need to hide this biography? There are many people in the world who share names with criminals. That's just life. People get harrassed at airports all the time because they have the same name as someone on the no-fly list. These incidents sometimes show up on local news. WP:NOTCENSORED Wikipedia is not censored. -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 07:17, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep because practically there was no other person on a Wikipedia article with the same name by the way. But I still understand your reasons (all of them are valid) to nominate this for deletion or something, and I accept it even if the result is delete. Alternatively if in the future, another Kelvin Lim made his way into Wikipedia as another unrelated article, I suggest we can still revive the redirect to include the same Kelvin Lims into a sort of disambiguation page. --NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 06:40, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Besides, I checked the Wikipedia and search on Google, but I did not find a Wikipedia page about the Singaporean basketball player who got the same name. --NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 06:47, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- From the Team Singapore webpage [27] it appears the basketball player's name is Kelvin Lim Hong Da -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 07:50, 14 June 2024 (UTC) [fixed typo] -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 21:14, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Besides, I checked the Wikipedia and search on Google, but I did not find a Wikipedia page about the Singaporean basketball player who got the same name. --NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 06:47, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep This person has an English given name "Kelvin" and a surname "Lim" and a Chinese given name "Hock Hin", thus this is a valid redirect from the "English name" rendering of his name "Kelvin Lim". It is a valid redirect. There is no other topic article on Wikipedia who uses this name. Alternately, disambiguate with Kelvin Lim Yong Sheng, a Singaporean field hockey player and silver medalist at the Field hockey at the 2007 SEA Games. Kelvin Lim Leong Keat, a sailor who won gold for Malaysia at the 2001 SEA Games, Kelvin Lim Kok Peng, a Singaporean zoologist, for which the species Tioman Island rock gecko (Cnemaspis limi) is named for. Kelvin Lim, the defence lawyer in the Orchard Towers double murders case and Koh Swee Beng case and Yishun triple murders and Murder of William Tiah Hung Wai case. Clearly the basketball player isn't more notable. -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 07:14, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Is this basketball player also called Kelvin Lim Hong Da / Hong Da Kelvin Lim / Kelvin Hong Da Lim / Lim Hong Da / Hong Da Lim ? [28][29]. Because, that should be the name of the basketball player's article then, and not just "Kelvin Lim" -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 07:48, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - per 64.229.90.32 and NelsonLee20042020. "Kelvin Lim" is a name that Kelvin Lim Hock Hin used - it's listed in "Other names" in the infobox, and he is referred to as just "Kelvin Lim" 5 times in the body of the article. Whether or not there's also a basketball player who has a similar name the redirect is valid and correct. If the basketball player ever becomes notable enough to get an article and it's also asserted that they are recognised by the name "Kelvin Lim", then maybe a disambiguation page can be created - but for now it's fine as-is. BugGhost🪲👻 11:16, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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June 21[edit]
Ofcommunist[edit]
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D-ring[edit]
- D-ring → Glossary of underwater diving terminology: A–C (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- D ring → Glossary of underwater diving terminology: A–C (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- D Ring → Rings of Saturn#D Ring (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I'm not convinced that either of these targets (or even Glossary of underwater diving terminology: D–G) are the primary topic, nor that they should target different articles. The whatlinkshere for D-ring are mostly unrelated to diving and just expect an article about the generic bit of hardware - there is an unsourced stub in the history of that page about that, but I'm not sure what scope there is for expansion? Thryduulf (talk)
- Note PamD has retargetted D-ring (but not D ring) to Glossary of underwater diving terminology: D–G. Thryduulf (talk) 14:56, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, sorry, I did that on noticing that it was clearly wrongly-targetted, but hadn't noticed the other one also wrong (and it's also hard to spot them in the D-G list as they are filed letter-by-letter where I expected word-by-word!) ... then looked further into D-rings and despaired of a sensible solution. The Wiktionary definition is specific to diving, but it appears from googling that "D-ring" is a very widely-used term for, well, literally a D-shaped ring, used in hanging pictures, anchoring webbing, and many other fields. As we don't have a List of useful miscellaneous bits of hardware, it's hard to see where it should go. I've now retargetted D ring so at least it's consistent and makes some sort of sense ... even if possibly wrong.
- Perhaps we need to edit Wiktionary to remove diving's hijacking of a generic term, then we could have a dab page for diving and Saturn, with a Wiktionary link. PamD 16:00, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, change to a disambiguation page. — Lentower (talk) 15:07, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: None of these terms are clearly the most prevalent, so none should be singled out at the top of the new disambig page. — Lentower (talk) 15:07, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Some of these pages, e.g. D ring binder should be on the new page. (I haven't read the guidelines here, so am not feel qualified make the decision).
- All pages with titles containing D ring
- All pages with titles containing D-ring
- All pages with titles beginning with D ring
- All pages with titles beginning with D-ring
- I suggest all six of these templates be in the See also section on the new page. — Lentower (talk) 15:07, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- As the creator of one of these redirects, I should point out that the page I had redirected it to at the time was (unsourced stub or no) much more useful than the current nautical one-liner. We should probably end up with D-ring as a disambiguation page and the other two redirected back to it; but there is a need for a stand-alone article explaining the ingenious contraption. --pmj (talk) 23:58, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- OK, so since 2005 we've had an unsourced article showing the diverse uses of D rings - holding down loads on lorries, BDSM, saddlery, safety harnesses, diving /climbing/ caving gear, etc. It would be more constructive to find a few sources to support some of these uses, rather than convert the article to a redirect to any one of them. I suggest that the reader would be better served if we reverted to that article as last seen and find some sources to add so that we don't go round this loop again. Here are a couple for starters: D rings in clothing and in picture-hanging. PamD 07:03, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Dabify per above --Lenticel (talk) 11:12, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- D Ring is a proper noun, leave it alone. (A hat note is acceptable.) The rest should redirect to an article on the hardware, with a hat-note. There should be no reason for a dab page here, uses should include links to whatever is significant. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 16:53, 22 June 2024 (UTC).
- Dabify per above. I agree that the hardware may not be Primary Topic, and even if it is, shouldn't be the only thing people are given access to- someone searching for "D ring" or "D-ring" could just as easily be looking for Glossary of underwater diving terminology: D–G, Rings of Saturn#D Ring, D ring binder, et cetera.I'd like to note that Rich Farmbrough has already drafted up... I'm actually not sure if that's a dab page or an article, on the D-ring page. Looks like it needs polish, but it's a good start and a sight better than the single sentence on Glossary of underwater diving terminology: D-G. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 18:04, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Given the Rich Farmborough draft currently in place, I suggest we now keep it as an article. — The Anome (talk) 19:02, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- DABify - The proposed article at D-ring can be moved to "D-ring (Hardware)" or similar, but I don't think there is a primary topic between it, the rings of saturn, and binders, so the base term should be disambiguated. Fieari (talk) 00:24, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Dabify all of them. Aside from Saturn and diving, it is also part of some ejection seats as the activation handle D-ring, and Belt (clothing), and carbiner, and D-ring binder -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 14:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep the article drafted by @Rich Farmbrough: at either D-ring or D ring, with a redirect from the other form and a hatnote pointing to D Ring. It's not a dab page we need, but an article about the item of hardware shaped like a D and used for webbing on trucks, straps on clothing, hanging pictures, BDSM, and a multitude of other purposes including diving gear. There are variations with an attached tab for a screw/nail (picture-hanging), variations with a hinged section like a carabiner, and so on. Some are made of plastic. Two D rings together can form a sort of buckle for clothing. All this can go in the article, properly sourced. The entry in the Diving glossary can refer back to this general article. We need refs/examples for the various fields in which D rings are used. Possibly something about when the terminology was first used (doesn't seem to be in the OED, sadly). PamD 14:43, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Return to freestanding page. I’m not sure how to do this, so please excuse my lack of familiarity with the protocol. But the Original page (as a freestanding page, and not a redirect anywhere) was appropriate. That’s what a D-ring is, foremost. Anybody who’s worked with them knows this. (And by all means their use in underwater work is a minor subset, and this page should not redirect there; rather, vice versa, if anything.) If you want to create a separate disambiguation page, fine, so long as this page remains as it is. Minor uses of the term (like a D-ring binder) should be worked in wherever appropriate. But good intentions should not lead to usurping the existing page and its focus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:196:180:DC0:71F6:28F0:BC89:B999 (talk) 06:16, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- ...That "existing page" was written during these discussions lol 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 12:22, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
Mexican Avocado Dispute[edit]
- Mexican Avocado Dispute → Avocado#Avocado-related international trade issues (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
there isn't anything in the article about a dispute and the section to which this links no longer exists. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:37, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment if this deleted, the link at Dispute settlement in the World Trade Organization#See also should be removed. Thryduulf (talk) 10:40, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The relevant portion of the target was removed in this February 2021 edit by Zefr with the rationale "trim outdated trade issues section", but the follow-up sections (including all the citations) that were present at the time of the redirect creation (this version) had been removed sometime previously. Thryduulf (talk) 10:55, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
Spirituality & Health Magazine[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 29#Spirituality & Health Magazine
Tristan Tate[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 28#Tristan Tate
June 20[edit]
Gallophone[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 28#Gallophone
JDX[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 28#JDX
French-speakers outside of Quebec[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 27#French-speakers outside of Quebec
Bible Videos[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 27#Bible Videos
2025 United Kingdom general election[edit]
- 2025 United Kingdom general election → 2024 United Kingdom general election (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Redirect was originally set up as a redirect to Next United Kingdom general election at a time when it could have been held in either 2024 or 2025. Now that it has been announced that the next election will be held in 2024 and with the United Kingdom having five year terms, it is very unlikely there will be a 2025 election. Propose deleting. Broanetar (talk) 04:08, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as per nom. 2025 is not 2024. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 06:17, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. Wikishovel (talk) 08:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of United Kingdom general elections#21st century. There was much speculation in reliable sources that the election would be in 2025, so it's not an implausible search term. However there isn't any real discussion of this in the article so that isn't a good target. If we take people to the list of elections then they can find whichever one it is that they are looking for. Thryduulf (talk) 09:35, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per Thryduulf. Cremastra (talk) 21:27, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget agree with Thryduulf, not unreasonable to assume people will search for this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Schwinnspeed (talk • contribs) 06:11, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per Thryduulf, deleting it doesn't really make sense, anyone ending up there either made a typo or is looking for the 2024 general election. AlexandraAVX (talk) 17:40, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The current target discusses that the date was potentially to be in 2025. Oppose retarget to List of United Kingdom general elections#21st century, that list does not contain any information about a 2025 general election. Is there any actual confusion with another election? The table ends at 2024... -- Tavix (talk) 20:57, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 21:04, 11 June 2024 (UTC)- Keep, for now - there's been headlines that mention a 2025 UK election, such as: [30], [31], [32], but they are all referencing same topic of the 2024 election, just with a different/questioning date of it arriving. It's reasonable to think there are people who believe it's happening in 2025. After the election has happened, I would fully support deleting the redirect but for now while there's still potential confusion, the redirect should stay. Agreeing with Tavix re: the List of United Kingdom general elections#21st century redirect, it's unlikely the searcher wants information about any other election. BugGhost🪲👻 09:02, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Tavix and Bugghost Keep for such a millennium bug? Unless you both can provide enough reason(s) why the 2025 election has shifted in advance to this year, I think Retarget is more fair than simple keeping. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:41, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- The election hasn't shifted in advance per se, but it was claimed multiple times that the election could be in January 2025. From the 2024 article:
The Electoral Commission confirmed that the 2019 Parliament would, therefore, have to be dissolved, at the latest, by 17 December 2024, and that the next general election had to take place no later than 28 January 2025
. Publications (like the ones I linked above) wrote articles linking this election to the year 2025, and so there's arguably possible confusion, which would warrant this redirect. BugGhost🪲👻 11:15, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- The election hasn't shifted in advance per se, but it was claimed multiple times that the election could be in January 2025. From the 2024 article:
- @Tavix and Bugghost Keep for such a millennium bug? Unless you both can provide enough reason(s) why the 2025 election has shifted in advance to this year, I think Retarget is more fair than simple keeping. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:41, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 18:33, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per Thryduulf. Intrisit (talk) 17:59, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
American Evacuation Day[edit]
- American Evacuation Day → Public holidays in Libya (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target article. Only appears in the article for June 11 which is not a date listed anywhere in the target article. DrowssapSMM 20:09, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- I created this redirect as a replacement for the piped link
[[Public holidays in Libya|American Evacuation Day]]
in June 11.However, if there's no evidence that this day exists as a public holiday, I'm happy for it to be deleted. (And if so, the link in July 11 should be removed too.) Colonies Chris (talk) 21:31, 11 June 2024 (UTC) - Comment there are lots of sites that list "American Evacuation Day" as a public holiday on 11 June, but nothing that stands out as definitely reliable and independent of Wikipedia. This Indian Express article could be used to verify that it is (or at least was) a public holiday but doesn't give a date. It isn't listed at [33] but it's unclear whether that is a complete list or just ones of relevance to the Aviation authority. Thryduulf (talk) 21:52, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 18:33, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete since it seems that no plausible target for this exists. CycloneYoris talk! 21:40, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as obviously created in error per creator. It may be recreated to an appropriate target after further research. And remove it from June 11 (not July 11 that Colonies Chris says). Jay 💬 01:59, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
The Stand Off[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 27#The Stand Off
Hearst Entertainment[edit]
- Hearst Entertainment → Hearst Communications (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at the target article. The only exception to the further existence of this title is with Hearst Television, which owns broadcast stations and a media production company. Intrisit (talk) 16:27, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep / Refine to Hearst Communications#Newspaper shifts. It is mentioned. Jay 💬 03:02, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
SportAccord[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 28#SportAccord
June 19[edit]
EarthBound 3[edit]
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It hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts[edit]
X (social network)[edit]
Draft:J.Williams[edit]
Candidates in the 2022 French legislative election[edit]
Fashion in China[edit]
Woketard[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 26#Woketard
Make it mac tonight[edit]
First f Great Western[edit]
- First f Great Western → Great Western Railway (train operating company) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- First Greater Western → Great Western Railway (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- First Great Western Express → Great Western Railway (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
An extremely unlikely search term and a typo that even cannot be accidentally done. Just note that First Great Western was the former name of the current Great Western Railway JuniperChill (talk) 21:04, 28 May 2024 (UTC) [edited 09:50, 29 May 2024 UTC]
- Keep First Greater Western as that's the legal name of the company operating the franchise [34]. Thryduulf (talk) 08:12, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- weak delete First f Great Western. This is reading the corporate logo as "First f" which is not completely implausible given how it was rendered in e.g. what Commons calls the "corporate blue" livery (see image) but I can't find evidence it is commonly used. Thryduulf (talk) 08:13, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- I mean, we don't have First f as seen at FirstGroup logo so a clear reason for deletion. Plus FGW was out of business 9 years ago so its even more unlikely. But obviously keep First Great Western JuniperChill (talk) 18:36, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete First Great Western Express. It wouldn't have been an implausible way to distinguish from First Great Western Link but the only uses I can find are "First Great Western express" (i.e. express trains that happen to be operated by First Great Western). Thryduulf (talk) 08:12, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Agree with Thryduulf. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:05, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete first
twoand Tentative delete the third, though with the note that they're all being deleted for different reasons and I'm not sure they should've been grouped like this.
--The first one, delete due to unlikely typo.--The second, delete due to unlikely/vague search term (Greater?? And are we sure that they were talking about a railway when all they called it is a Western??? Could've been a movie for all we know)opinion withdrawn 00:03, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
--The third, tentative delete due to being... possibly unlikely? The term 'express' does narrow down that we're talking about a train, and "First Great Western" WAS the name of this rail line at one point. I could see this alternately being kept and tagged as Unnecessary Disambig.With the very different reasons why each one of these are being talked about, lastly, I propose handing nom a WP:MINNOW for grouping these together instead of keeping them separate, as this could've resulted in-- and could still result in-- a minor WP:TRAINWRECK. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 21:22, 29 May 2024 (UTC)- @Lunamann: "First Greater Western" is neither vague nor unlikely. It is the legal name of the company, a subsidiary of First Group (who brand most of their operations "First [name of operation]", e.g. First Great Western (the branding used for this franchise and its predecessor from 1998-2015), First TransPennine Express, First ScotRail, First Capital Connect, First North Western, etc.), that operates the Greater Western franchise. 100% of Google hits relate to this company. Thryduulf (talk) 23:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough. I'll allow First Greater Western being kept, though I'll also note that this means that we are now officially in Minor Trainwreck territory. ...Ironic, considering we're talking about railways. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 00:02, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, I did not think this thru. All of them are about railways all linking to the current GWR. I just thought that all three of them are very unlikely typos or search terms for FGW hence why I bundled them together. I initially thought WP:TRAINWRECK was talking about the notabilty stuff related to actual train crashes like the Stonehaven derailment or about whether to include it in an article like the EMR derailment on the List of rail accidents (2020–present)#2024. JuniperChill (talk) 00:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Nope, WP:TRAINWRECK is about how each one of these redirects has something else potentially wrong with it-- or in one case, has nothing wrong with it-- and thus we can't weigh them on the same merits, meaning that the resulting discussion gets confusing fast. I say a minor trainwreck-- and only minnowed you instead of a full-on trouting-- because there's only three redirects in the discussion, so the discussion is at least somewhat navigable.(See WP:UPPERCASE for more "Wait, I thought this shortcut meant X but it's actually talking about Y" stuff x3) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 00:26, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, I did not think this thru. All of them are about railways all linking to the current GWR. I just thought that all three of them are very unlikely typos or search terms for FGW hence why I bundled them together. I initially thought WP:TRAINWRECK was talking about the notabilty stuff related to actual train crashes like the Stonehaven derailment or about whether to include it in an article like the EMR derailment on the List of rail accidents (2020–present)#2024. JuniperChill (talk) 00:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough. I'll allow First Greater Western being kept, though I'll also note that this means that we are now officially in Minor Trainwreck territory. ...Ironic, considering we're talking about railways. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 00:02, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Lunamann: "First Greater Western" is neither vague nor unlikely. It is the legal name of the company, a subsidiary of First Group (who brand most of their operations "First [name of operation]", e.g. First Great Western (the branding used for this franchise and its predecessor from 1998-2015), First TransPennine Express, First ScotRail, First Capital Connect, First North Western, etc.), that operates the Greater Western franchise. 100% of Google hits relate to this company. Thryduulf (talk) 23:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 23:04, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Which pages should be deleted, if at all?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ca talk to me! 16:13, 9 June 2024 (UTC)- Keep all - As Thryduulf points out the "First f" redirect is likely based on the logo, that looks exactly like a stylised "First f Great Western", which someone could think is the name of the company. "First Greater Western" is the real name of the company, as said above. I've found some reference to "First Great Western Express" being at some point a rebrand of some First Great Western service. Redirects are cheap and it's clear what topic they are aiming for. BugGhost🪲👻 18:57, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: One more try...
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 03:37, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
June 18[edit]
Brexit means breakfast[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 25#Brexit means breakfast
Furiosa Road[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 25#Furiosa Road
Leaf forest[edit]
Marine the Raccoon(character)[edit]
Sonic E3[edit]
Something Forgotten Wished by the World[edit]
風のクロノア[edit]
List of Klonoa vilians[edit]
List of Klonoa villains[edit]
Heather McMahan[edit]
Trademark Law Treaty[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 26#Trademark Law Treaty
Kahru[edit]
Valinor Hills Station[edit]
- Valinor Hills Station → Ingenuity (helicopter)#End of mission (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
There's no indication that this is referred to as a "station", either officially or unofficially, by anyone. I'm not sure whether or not a plain "Valinor Hills" redirect would be more suitable. It doesn't seem very useful, but it would make more sense at least. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 14:03, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - As OA of the Valinor Hills Station WP:Redirect - this Redirect was made to support the listing of the final location of the Mars Ingenuity (helicopter) on the planet Mars as indicated at Ingenuity (helicopter)#End of mission, and on the "Mars Memorial Sites" template ({{Features and memorials on Mars}}) (and see below) - in any case - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 14:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note -- I removed the (unsigned) template transclusion as clutter; anyone can click on the link themselves to see it. I know MOS:OL is about article content and not talk pages, but holy crap, please take it to heart, because it's really hard to find the one important link among your sea of useless ones (why in the world did you feel the need to link "wp:redirect"? Please put some thought into what you write). More to the point, none of what you said addresses my concern that "Station" specifically is unwarranted. If someone added it inappropriately to a template, the proper course would be to remove it from the template, not to add an erroneous redirect. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 14:49, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:31, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom as possibly made up. 0 hits on Google. We already have the "station-less" Valinor Hills created at the same time and pointing to the same target. Jay 💬 12:22, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 16:34, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- very weak keep. There are three hits on Google that aren't from Wikipedia, but two of them are clearly not independent of each other given they use identical phrasing. So it's not completely useless and it is unambiguous. Thryduulf (talk) 09:13, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Internet Phone Operating System[edit]
- Internet Phone Operating System → IOS (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Listing this separately from #Apple Internet Phone Operating System as beside similar issues with this being an unlikely search term, lacking a specific brand makes it more likely to cause confusion. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 12:20, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - No clear target. The creator may have been under the impression that the "i" in iPhone is short for "internet", which it isn't - and from searching it doesn't look like this is a common mistake. Could arguably be retargeted to Mobile operating system, but that article isn't strictly related to the internet - there are mobile operating systems that don't have internet connectivity. BugGhost🪲👻 13:36, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Our article on iPhone says
According to Jobs in 1998, the "i" word in "iMac" (and thereafter "iPod", "iPhone" and "iPad") stands for internet, individual, instruct, inform, and inspire.
Regardless, I agree with nom and everyone that the current redirect target is incorrect. External searches refer to specific patents, and unless Mobile operating system has mention of the exact term, Delete. Jay 💬 12:43, 18 June 2024 (UTC)- Yep good thing to point out - I was broadly meaning that Apple nor anyone else has referred to the iPhone as "Internet Phone" (or "Inspire Phone", or "Instruct Phone", etc), despite historical etymology of iMac. BugGhost🪲👻 10:15, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Our article on iPhone says
- Retarget to Mobile operating system. While it's true that not everything there relates to the internet, everything that this plausible search term could relate to is listed there (i.e. it's a redirect from a narrower term to a broader article) . Thryduulf (talk) 14:30, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- "Internet phone" could also refer to VoIP, and such hardware usually has its own operating system distinct from mobile operating systems. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 23:12, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget as per Thryduulf. He's right in that that's the best target we have (the only "internet phones" that can possibly have an operating system would have said operating systems listed there), and the fact that it's one less word than the one that starts with Apple helps a bit with my ability to believe its plausibility. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:19, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete this is unrelated to VoIP, IP phone operating systems, nor to telco PSTN over IP cabinet equipment OSes -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 10:31, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
Hendrik Sal-Saller[edit]
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Kristian Taska[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 25#Kristian Taska
Drake LaRoche[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 25#Drake LaRoche
Chhota Bheem 1[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 25#Chhota Bheem 1
2024 Sonsio Grand Prix at the Indiapolis Motor Speedway[edit]
Factory owner[edit]
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㌽[edit]
Epsilon Eridani c[edit]
Papa Emeritus 2[edit]
- Papa Emeritus 2 → Tobias Forge (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Papa Emeritus redirects to Ghost (Swedish band)#Papa Emeritus section and already covers Papa Emeritus II.
I wonder if the initially capitalized redirect contradicts with Papa emeritus (Bishops in the Catholic Church#Pope emeritus). LEILA FERRAZ (talk) 19:32, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep or Retarget to Ghost (Swedish band)#Papa Emeritus. Either way, the use of "2" makes it seem as though it does not/could not refer to Bishops in the Catholic Church#Pope emeritus. Steel1943 (talk) 21:30, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep or Retarget to Ghost (Swedish band)#Papa Emeritus per Steel1943. Intrisit (talk) 19:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- If this is retargeted, Papa Emeritus II and Papa Emeritus III should probably also be retargeted. Might be worth adding both these (and possibly Papa Emeritus) to this discussion. Alternatively, if it seems to be uncontroversial where these should all point, they can be retargeted without any RFD discussion. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 00:34, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Keep or retarget?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Thryduulf (talk) 10:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)- The issue is that both targets (Tobias Forge#Ghost, which is what this should be refined to if Kept, and Ghost (Swedish band)#Papa Emeritus) discuss Tobias's role as the Papa Emeritus character in *all* incarnations of the character-- Papa Emeritus I, II, III, 0, and IV. That said, I'm leaning towards Refine for this specific redirect; the incarnation Papa Emeritus II does get a little more discussion in Tobias's article compared to Ghost's article.Either way, I do think the two sections need to be hatnoted together-- they talk about the same thing, so they should get a "See also" connecting them. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 11:44, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- I hatnoted them both. Jay 💬 05:39, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Botswanan[edit]
It should redirect to Motswana. Not sure why this got reverted, the authority is wikitionary or however you spell it. Botswanan is not a proper word. [35] [36] [37] [38] [39] [40] [41] [42] [43] OK I think I’ve made my point. 48JCL 01:54, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- oops wrong place 48JCL 01:55, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- @48JCL: I have reverted your bold retarget and restored the redirect with the RfD tag as nominated to allow for proper consensus to be reached on where to target this. As stated at WP:RFD,
please do not unilaterally rename or change the target of a redirect while it is under discussion
. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 04:27, 18 June 2024 (UTC) - Comment 48JCL I think you maybe need to give a bit more of an argument for why it should be retargeted. Even if Botswanan isn't a "proper" word I think for most readers the main Botswana article is a good target; it also mentions the Tswana people in the lead paragraph for example. Skynxnex (talk) 15:22, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- "Botswanan" not being 'a proper word' isn't really an issue-- the question is if it's *a plausible word*. Adding an -n, -an, or -ian suffix to the name of a place is a typical English way of signifying "from this place" or "people from this place", see American, Mexican, Canadian, Italian, ect, just like "-ish" (English, Spanish, ect) or "-ese" (Japanese, Chinese, Portuguese, ect). I can easily see someone unfamiliar with the term Batswana to invent terms like Botswanese, Botswanish, or, yes, Botswanan.That said, I would
Retargetto the Tswana DAB, simply to match the other 'from this place' words above. The searcher is clearly looking for information on *something* from Botswana- let's both inform them of the correct term, AND offer up the multiple meanings for said word. After all, who's to say they're not looking for the language they speak in Botswana? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 15:46, 18 June 2024 (UTC)- Comment @Lunamann, the proper denonym is at Motswana. 48JCL 13:14, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- That... definitely presents an issue, given part of the reason I targeted the Tswana DAB was its link to Tswana language; many demonyms also serve as a name for the language that group uses (see English, Chinese, German, ect); and given Botswanan is a made-up and incorrect demonym, there's really nothing stopping someone from also using it as an incorrect name for the language.The only idea I have is, to retarget to the Motswana DAB, and then add a See Also that targets the Tswana DAB? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 14:10, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Lunamann: Yes, that does seem to be a problem; I will ping Lefcentreright and John, who were able to somewhat eradicate the term from the Wikipedia and replace it with proper terms. 48JCL 22:33, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- That... definitely presents an issue, given part of the reason I targeted the Tswana DAB was its link to Tswana language; many demonyms also serve as a name for the language that group uses (see English, Chinese, German, ect); and given Botswanan is a made-up and incorrect demonym, there's really nothing stopping someone from also using it as an incorrect name for the language.The only idea I have is, to retarget to the Motswana DAB, and then add a See Also that targets the Tswana DAB? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 14:10, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment @Lunamann, the proper denonym is at Motswana. 48JCL 13:14, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to the dab per Lunamann. The word appears in dictionaries (Cambridge, Oxford) and is used by reliable sources such as the United States Mission to the United Nations, Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the People's Republic of China, Cardiff University and Florida State University among others as well as lots of other sites I haven't bothered to assess for reliability. Even if it isn't a "proper word" (which seems doubtful given that evidence) it is very much a plausible search term. Thryduulf (talk) 16:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment What about creating a disambiguation page that points to Botswana, Tswana people and Tswana language? --Error (talk) 09:48, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- I think this is the better solution. The sources that Thryduulf has included in their comment show that "Botswanan" refers just as much to the country itself as it does to the people or language. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 18:30, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- I wouldn't be opposed to this. Support. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:39, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- I have no objections to this. Thryduulf (talk) 10:36, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support this, sounds like the most helpful solution. BugGhost🪲👻 09:48, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
LGBT in Russia[edit]
Sdn Bhd[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 25#Sdn Bhd
June 17[edit]
Template:WikiProject Open Access/OAFD[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 25#Template:WikiProject Open Access/OAFD
Frank Blackmore (Emmerdale)[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 25#Frank Blackmore (Emmerdale)
Emmerdale Character list (NEW)[edit]
LGBTZ[edit]
Emigration from North Korea[edit]
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Historic church[edit]
The Hollies' Greatest Hits (1968 West German album)[edit]
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GWR network[edit]
- GWR network → Great Western Railway (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Where could this possibly lead to? The original GWR (current target), the modern one, GWR (disambiguation), Great Western Railway (disambiguation). Who knows... Otherwise, it can be deleted since its too ambiguaious JuniperChill (talk) 12:39, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- This is a plausible search term that could refer to the network of multiple of the railway companies listed at Great Western Railway (disambiguation), possibly (but I don't know how likely) the network of flights operated by Aura Airlines and possibly the radio network of GWR Group. Either retargeting to the existing Great Western Railway (disambiguation) with a hatnote to one or both the other two, or a separate disambig page are the best for readers here. Thryduulf (talk) 12:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think we should include Aura Airlines as while that is the ICAO airline code, I don't think anyone refers it to that (and also a relatively obscure airline), just as the code for Greater Anglia is officially (de jure) LE, but it's most commonly (de facto) shortened to GA instead. Maybe retarget to GWR instead? Since idk what should happen, we should wait for other users to see. JuniperChill (talk) 13:11, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- There are only two entries on the GWR page that could plausibly have networks and which do not appear on Great Western Railway (disambiguation) (the airline and the media group), but there are multiple railways that have networks which are listed on the longer-titled dab page but not at GWR. So if a separate dab page is not the chosen outcome, Great Western Railway (disambiguation) is, in my opinion, a better target than GWR. Obviously there is no need to take action before other people have had a chance to express their opinions. Thryduulf (talk) 13:19, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- I (the nom) would Retarget to Great Western Railway (disambiguation) then. With a hatnote saying:
{{redirect|GWR network|the airline with the ICAO code|Aura Airlines|the radio network|GWR Group}}
JuniperChill (talk) 19:34, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- There are only two entries on the GWR page that could plausibly have networks and which do not appear on Great Western Railway (disambiguation) (the airline and the media group), but there are multiple railways that have networks which are listed on the longer-titled dab page but not at GWR. So if a separate dab page is not the chosen outcome, Great Western Railway (disambiguation) is, in my opinion, a better target than GWR. Obviously there is no need to take action before other people have had a chance to express their opinions. Thryduulf (talk) 13:19, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think we should include Aura Airlines as while that is the ICAO airline code, I don't think anyone refers it to that (and also a relatively obscure airline), just as the code for Greater Anglia is officially (de jure) LE, but it's most commonly (de facto) shortened to GA instead. Maybe retarget to GWR instead? Since idk what should happen, we should wait for other users to see. JuniperChill (talk) 13:11, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Further thoughts on the retargeting proposal?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 06:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC)- @JuniperChill: We don't put hatnotes in disambiguation pages. Jay 💬 15:44, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- I mean we don't, but don't we *do* have See Also sections? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 17:27, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sure thing @Jay / @Lunamann if consensus is to retarget to Great Western Railway (disambiguation0. JuniperChill (talk) 19:16, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- I mean we don't, but don't we *do* have See Also sections? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 17:27, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- @JuniperChill: We don't put hatnotes in disambiguation pages. Jay 💬 15:44, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 18:15, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to GWR, which already lists all of Thryduulf's proposed targets. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:35, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Elephant population[edit]
Tom (programming language)[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 25#Tom (programming language)
International Networking Working Group[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 25#International Networking Working Group
'Umar ibn Sahlan as-Sawi[edit]
Battles of Bohorodychne and Krasnopillia[edit]
- Battles of Bohorodychne and Krasnopillia → Battle of Donbas (2022) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Editor-coined term for a since-merged series of events. Not in usage anywhere outside of Wikipedia mirrors. SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 21:55, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support This is not a named event nor are the events that the former article referred to independently notable. No good reason to keep this. Cinderella157 (talk) 10:23, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note that this has prior article history and is a {{R from merge}}. * Pppery * it has begun... 22:21, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep to preserve history, as content from the page continues to exist at the current target. signed, Rosguill talk 19:31, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 17:43, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
User:Arado Ar 196/Userbox/Userbox Yuri fanatic[edit]
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User:Arado Ar 196/Userbox/Global Gay Communist Anime[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 24#User:Arado Ar 196/Userbox/Global Gay Communist Anime
Magburn[edit]
Science Update[edit]
- Science Update → American Association for the Advancement of Science (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at the target article, leaving the connection between the redirect and the target subject unclear. Steel1943 (talk) 05:14, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Seems to be related to a website called Science Update. Their about page states that they are an "re-incarnation" of an AAAS-produced radio show of the same name. Ca talk to me! 09:02, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Few minutes of searching around on old newspapers in newspapers.com did not give anything substantial, though I did find a Boston Globe Issue. With the Common Sense Media source, a mention might be able to be added. Ca talk to me! 13:33, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Mention not yet added to the target.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 15:49, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete by default, unless anyone adds a mention themselves. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:33, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, the target has no information about radio shows, either original or re-incarnations. Jay 💬 06:00, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
P♯[edit]
Glory Hallelujah[edit]
Druisk[edit]
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Discrimination in Nova Scotia[edit]
Bullying in Nova Scotia[edit]
Harassment in Nova Scotia[edit]
S.K. Umesh (Retired SP)[edit]
English Constitution Party[edit]
google.bb[edit]
Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's 100 metres[edit]
June 13[edit]
Talk:COVID-19/Current consensus[edit]
Kazakh Guide Association[edit]
Matriotism[edit]
Peanut butter burger[edit]
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Fourth mode of transport[edit]
Intruder alert[edit]
Ruby and Sapphire[edit]
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2024 Dublin Bay North by-election[edit]
Intruder Alert! Intruder Alert![edit]
Technical music[edit]
Bienver metal[edit]
Under the influence of alcohol[edit]
Electric Turbo[edit]
- Electric Turbo → Porsche Taycan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The Porsche Taycan 'Turbo' models don't actually have a turbocharger, it's just a namesake for a higher-performance model of a car. In that sense, it's kinda misleading. I did a google search, and 'electric turbo' doesn't seem to be a common nickname for the Taycan Turbo models either. Now, looking at retarget options, there does exist electric supercharger (I know technically there's no such thing as an "electric turbo" but that's what {{R from incorrect name}} is for), but having a look at that article, there also exists electrically-assisted turbocharger, so I'm not sure where to retarget it to. — AP 499D25 (talk) 06:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig between electrically-assisted turbocharger and electric supercharger. The term seems to be used for both. Thryduulf (talk) 09:25, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to electrically assisted turbocharger - most logical destination for someone searching the term. --Sable232 (talk) 14:44, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Retarget or disambiguate?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 17:18, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate the term can also refer to electric-motor-assist power boost (ie. hybrid vehicle with electric assist drive mode, to add power to the gasoline engine's power output) as "turbo" can just refer to a power boost. -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 07:55, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to electrically assisted turbocharger per Sable. I tried drafting a dab, but could not. Electric supercharger has electrically assisted turbocharger as a section, so I do not know if non-turbocharger superchargers are known as Turbo too. Jay 💬 05:55, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Szökés[edit]
Conjunctival pallor[edit]
Anagrams as establishment of priority[edit]
Hurt (Witt Lowry song)[edit]
June 12[edit]
Orange star[edit]
Doug Lawrence[edit]
French-speakers outside of Quebec[edit]
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Ragnarock music[edit]
Untitled Beetlejuice sequel[edit]
Raisi[edit]
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Roman Catholid Diocese of Down and Connor[edit]
IRC +10414[edit]
- IRC +10414 → IRC −10414 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Procedural listing; a previous RfD was closed with a consensus to retarget, but InTheAstronomy32 has reverted this. SevenSpheres (talk) 18:44, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as a misspelling. I changed the redirect target because i believe that 'IRC +10414' is a misspelling of IRC -10414 and is the better redirect target so far. An article about this star likely will be never created due to notability issues. InTheAstronomy32 (talk) 18:48, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Two-Micron Sky Survey per previous RFD. IRC +10414 refers to this star, not IRC -10414, which is this star. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 18:48, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete This was never an article, and it isn't mentioned at either target. No pageviews in the last month. I really don't see how this redirect is helpful. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:18, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Agreed with Presidentman here and Kusma from the prefious RfD, but I'd like to add that the naming scheme of the star is very intentional (from Two-Micron Sky Survey:
index consists of two numbers - declination rounded to multiplier of 10 degrees, with sign, and star ordinal number within declination band
) and if you typo the sign you should expect to be taken to a different star or nowhere. ― Synpath 23:20, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget per the consensus of arguments in the previous RfD, which I find more compelling than the alternatives. Thryduulf (talk) 11:52, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, not mentioned at Two-Micron Sky Survey, and people looking for the other star and making the typo might believe that the star actually doesn't have a standalone article, while a red link can be more indicative of them having made a typo. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 19:22, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete it isn't a usable misspelling since it is a different star. That star is not currently in Wikipedia. so either stub up an article, or delete the redirect -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 08:04, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- An article about IRC +10414 is likely to be never created, it is just a faint Mira variable that fails WP:NASTRO. Deleting also would not be helpful, it is better to retain this page as a redirect to IRC -10414 since it is a plausible misspelling. 21 Andromedae (talk) 19:12, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note to closers that user 21 Andromedae was formerly called InTheAstronomy32 alluded to in the nomination, and who voted under the former name. Jay 💬 03:15, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Redirecting to a two-paragraph stub that does not mention the term is far more confusing than helpful. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:29, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Metal (group)[edit]
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Bible Videos[edit]
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Blagger[edit]
- Blagger → Social engineering (security)#Pretexting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This was flagged up at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation#Searching for "Blagger" currently redirects to a page with no mention of the word. by user:Oathed with the comment seems weird that it doesn't link or disambig to Blagger (video game). Not sure how to mark a page for "Disambig page needed".
At the very least this does need a hatnote to the video game, but I'm not acutally sure the video game isn't the primary target. Neither the present target nor Pretexting (linked as the main article) use the term. The only other uses I'm finding (Blaggers ITA (formerly known as The Blaggers) and The Blaggers Guide would be at most see-alsos on a dab page.
The video game article was created at this title but moved in March 2018 by Zxcvbnm with the summary "Merge, in order to disambiguate" but they just changed the redirect target and added a hatnote. The hatnote was removed without explanation by an IP in 2020, but the mention of "blagging" had been removed in July 2018 as part of a cull of unreferenced information by Michaelgt123. None of "blag", "blagging" or "blagger" has ever been included in the Pretext article. Thryduulf (talk) 20:27, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and move Blagger (video game) to it.
- The redirect made at least some sense at the time it was created. The article Pretext, as it appeared at the time, was about the general well-understood meaning of a "pretext"; a reason given in justification of a course of action that is not the real reason. It had only a single paragraph describing the social engineering trick.
- Meanwhile, the article Social engineering (security), as it appeared at the time, in the section Pretexting, said "Pretexting..., also known in the UK as blagging". So that made at least some sense as a target (although even then, I think the video game article would have been a more appropriate target).
- The video game seems pretty clearly to be the primary use for "Blagger"; if the "blagging" text is re-added to the Social engineering (security) article (as it probably should, there seems to be sufficient documentation of that, e.g., [44] at the BBC), it can be dealt with by ordinary disambiguation (hatnote or a Blagger (disambiguation) page, as appropriate). TJRC (talk) 02:39, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- The page mover / redirect creator Zxcvbnm was notified in the nomination, however I have just notified at the talk page as well. Jay 💬 11:24, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate "Blagging" is another term for social engineering (see here and here). If that isn't the primary topic, then it should be disambiguated between social engineering (security) and the game, not have the game moved back here. That would be the height of folly when it could simply be re-added with a single sentence referenced to a reliable source. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:00, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Is there a primary topic?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 08:26, 11 June 2024 (UTC)- Delete, move Blagger (video game) to it, then add a hatnote. "Blagging" is an informal term in UK that has similarities to social engineering, but it's not quite the same thing - it's just a phrase that sort of means "bullshitter", someone who can make up lies quickly - social engineers will blag, but not all blaggers are social engineers. For example most improv comedians are good blaggers, but that doesn't mean they are doing anything nefarious. Seeing as Blagger (video game) exists, it should be the primary topic. BugGhost🪲👻 13:53, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's also not exclusively lying per se - it includes things like asking for something you know you aren't entitled to on the off-chance that the person you're asking wont check, presenting truths misleadingly or selectively. It is very significantly broader than social engineering. Thryduulf (talk) 11:51, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and move the video game here, for lack of any other acceptable outcome as the social engineering article does not mention it and nobody has been willing to add a mention in weeks of being at RfD. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:27, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Move back the video game to Blagger per others, and hatnote to The Blaggers. Whether or not the current target has a mention, there needs to be mention at Pretexting, for disambiguating or hatnoting, and we don't. Jay 💬 05:35, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
The Big One (earthquake)[edit]
Chhota Bheem 1[edit]
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2024 Sonsio Grand Prix at the Indiapolis Motor Speedway[edit]
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Unused already-merged Bio_coatrack et al[edit]
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Virgini[edit]
Notcoin[edit]
June 4[edit]
Technogypsie[edit]
Raisi[edit]
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INDIA[edit]
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Stressed out[edit]
- Stressed out → Stressed Out (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This redirect has targeted Psychological stress, Stressed Out (disambiguation) and Stressed Out, the Twenty One Pilots song. Its was pointing to the DAB from 2019 until last month and I changed it back to the DAB today. In terms of the discussions it seems there is a consensus that the Twenty One Pilots song is primary for the title case version per WP:DIFFCAPS, see discussions at Talk:Stressed Out and an older one at Talk:Stressed Out (A Tribe Called Quest song)#Requested move 26 November 2015. In terms of Psychological stress I understand we aren't a dictionary but at the same time it could be argued that its safest to disambiguate the lower case. In terms of the options, option A, target Twenty One Pilots song, option B, target DAB, option C, target Psychological stress. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:31, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- B either the generic meaning or Twenty One Pilots song could be primary so its probably best to have no primary topic. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Option A, revert back to Stressed Out. This is the primary topic, and was the target of the Stressed out redirect until an undiscussed edit by User:Crouch, Swale in 2019.[45] Previous RMs discussing Stressed Out (Twenty One Pilots song) and Stressed Out (A Tribe Called Quest song) are not relevant to the lowercase Stressed out. I see no evidence for DIFFCAPS here; all the articles at the Stressed Out (disambiguation) dabpage are spelled with both capital letters. 162 etc. (talk) 22:18, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- @162 etc.: The closer of the 1st RM Special:Diff/694445799 created a redirect to Stress (psychological) in 2015 and it was changed to the DAB page in 2016 and ended up targeting the Twenty One Pilots song as it was moved to the base name in September 2016 which seems to have been an error from the page move or just people not thinking DIFFCAPS was appropriate. It was changed back to the DAB by me in 2019 and stayed this way until last month when you changed it to the Twenty One Pilots song. I then changed it back to the DAB. So the undiscussed change to target the Twenty One Pilots song need discussion here as it could arguable be changed back to the original target. If all the uses were upper case and Psychological stress didn't exist I agree the default would be to follow the primary topic title case but there is a generic meaning though as noted I'm not sure how likely it is. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:28, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- A per 162. mwwv converse∫edits 13:04, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- C with a hatnote to the disambiguation page. At this capitalisation, and capitalisation matters, my judgement is that most readers are looking for the feeling of psychological stress and not a song. There's no merit in B because all the entries on the dab page are Title Case. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:59, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- With fewer than one hit per day on average, no incoming links and no article that would actually be titled "stressed out", it could really be deleted (option D, anyone?). Although capitalization certainly does matter, it's also true searchers often do skip using the shift key. If "stressed out" really were a likely alternative search term for "psychological stress", I'd say proper capitalization wins out, but I don't see many readers expecting that, and I'd hate to put a hatnote on psychological stress pointing to list of songs, so I'd avoid option C. And just as we shouldn't assume searchers skipping the shift key want a lower-case article, we also shouldn't assume they want the upper-case title, even though with a hatnote already on Stressed Out, that's less of an issue. So option A is reasonable, but because capitalization matters and because we can't say with certainty what most of the tiny number of readers landing on the redirect want, absent deletion I lean toward option B. Station1 (talk) 06:29, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Should Stressed out be deleted, typing "stressed out" in search would result in a reader reaching the page at Stressed Out. This means that "option D" would result in the same thing as option A. 162 etc. (talk) 16:22, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- That's a good point. And I suppose someone would just recreate a redirect eventually anyway. Station1 (talk) 23:22, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Should Stressed out be deleted, typing "stressed out" in search would result in a reader reaching the page at Stressed Out. This means that "option D" would result in the same thing as option A. 162 etc. (talk) 16:22, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
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- C per Shhh. Mdewman6 (talk) 20:00, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- B, but move Stressed Out (disambiguation) to Stressed out. The lowercase should be the base page name where a lowercase sense exists. BD2412 T 18:09, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Target to Stressed Out, regardless of whether that's kept as the current primary topic, or made into a dab page as primary. Reward the folks looking for something specifically named this. I suspect the vast majority of folks looking for information about psychological stress are going to just look up "stress" instead (already a dab page). 35.139.154.158 (talk) 00:10, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- C - Sorry that this is spreading out the consensus more, but I really and STRONGLY agree with Shhh's assessment that capitalization matters, and that psychological stress is the best target for this particular capitalization. As a secondary option, I would grudgingly accept the disambiguation page, but I strongly object to making this target the song as the primary topic. Capitalization matters! I also object to deletion, as there really should be a way for a user to easily reach psychological stress from this search string, and the default search is unlikely to get there easily. Fieari (talk) 23:26, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- C. When not written in title case, psychological stress is the clear primary topic and we do our readers a disservice by not taking them there. A hatnote to the dab page and song will cater for everyone not looking for the primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 09:46, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- C per Thryduulf. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:23, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Pussy in bio[edit]
Khogyani (article disambiguation)[edit]
Valinor Hills Station[edit]
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Rich young man[edit]
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Gastrosexual[edit]
Population 0[edit]
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1930–31 Notre Dame Fighting Irish men's basketball team[edit]
- 1930–31 Notre Dame Fighting Irish men's basketball team → Notre Dame Fighting Irish men's basketball (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Redirect should be deleted so editors know which seasons still need to be made, otherwise every season would be a redirect. poketape (talk) 21:45, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of Notre Dame Fighting Irish men's basketball seasons: It's a possibly useful redirect and the fact that redirects for all of the seasons haven't been created doesn't mean that this isn't useful. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:10, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. Looking at {{Notre Dame Fighting Irish men's basketball navbox}}, blue links are articles, not redirects. 1930–31 is the odd one out, and gives the false impression that we have an article on it. Reywas92's edit summary while making the redirect said
merge to main
, but I don't see that a merge was done. Jay 💬 04:08, 12 June 2024 (UTC) - Restore article. The "merge" (actually just a redirect) by Reywas92 was under the mistaken rationale that it was not an article. It seems like the actual reasoning would be due to a dispute at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1979–80 Notre Dame Fighting Irish men's basketball team, which was kept. Of course this article would need to be expanded, but something is better than nothing. -- Tavix (talk) 18:08, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or Retarget per Hey man im josh, as the list of seasons was split off after I redirected the page. A merge was in fact already done because there was literally nothing to merge and the main article already had all the information this had (none but the duplicative infobox) but perhaps the summary could have been clearer. No, a single tautologial sentence is not an article and is not better than nothing, it's a disservive to readers. Reywas92Talk 00:08, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- In order for it to be a merge, some information from the article has to be moved to the new location. There is no evidence of that having been done before your redirection, so
a merge was in fact already done
is also incorrect. (The target at the time of redirection does not show any additional information for the 1930–31 season.) The page was tagged as a WP:STUB, which is explicitly defined as an article in the first sentence of the guideline (and elsewhere). -- Tavix (talk) 12:49, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- In order for it to be a merge, some information from the article has to be moved to the new location. There is no evidence of that having been done before your redirection, so
- Retarget to the list per above. The dispute about whether this was merged versus BLARed and whether it was or was not an article is irrelevant now. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:20, 28 June 2024 (UTC)