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There needs to be a huge spoiler warning on this page, I just ruined the entire storyline for myself by reading it :l —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.151.64.94 (talk) 06:58, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I concur. This is ridiculous that it's even called Revan and it says you're Revan. Verisimilarity (talk) 02:26, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Once upon a time we had spoiler warnings, but no more. See WP:SPOILER. --BDD (talk) 16:53, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, the wiki admins do what they want. But the way Google is set up, you google Revan, wiki shows up in the search - always on the first page by the way - and the google preview thing (where under the website it shows the first few sentences of a wiki article) promptly ruins it for EVERYONE, as some genius puts the biggest Star Wars spoiler since Darth Vader's identity in the very first sentence, right within that precious preview space. I will take the liberty to move the sentence around as a courtesy to Google users who should not suffer from wikipedia's spoiler policies, while still keeping the info in the first paragraph. Be bold and all that. 70.180.255.114 (talk) 23:05, 25 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand why people feel the article NEEDS to say that Revan is the player character. This is THE spoiler of what is an epic and amazing game, and to put this major spoiler in the first paragraph seems to be intentionally malicious to new gamers. I see little need to mention it at all, and none whatsoever right in the beginning. Even though I already knew, I've just watched 100+ episodes of a blind LP, only to learn that the LPer had this spoiled for him, and consequently me since now I'll never hear his blind reaction. 2601:183:4101:E33:9026:C71:927B:18F4 (talk) 07:26, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

Alright, I'm thinking about doing a tentative rewrite of this article in my sandbox soon. The problem is, I realized we have only three citations. If anybody has time, could you help me search for reliable sources, especially those related to fan reception, controversy, etc.? Any help would be appreciated. Arwen Undomiel ^talk 16:19, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Revan as a female

Um... doesn't the part about 'feminist' fans seem a little opinionated? I'm a guy, and like many others, I like playing a hot chick in most games. Not that it really matters, I just found that a little odd.

"Despite the male gender being accepted and confirmed by Lucas himself and the creators, feminist fans nonetheless consider the matter controversial." Yeah, that's more than a little opinionated. Not every fan that prefers female Revan is a feminist. That's just ridiculous and should be scratched.

I'm just curious where the male Revan with a light side ending as canon came from. I see that someone claims that Lucas established it as so, but the official Star Wars Website doesn't establish any of the possible endings as canon. Revan doesn't even have his own page. He is just mentioned in Malak's, Carth's, etc. pages but his fate is unstated. Emperor001 18:44, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think the more important point is that not every feminist considers the creation of a game with a male protagonist to be an attack on their gender. --DocumentN (talk) 19:19, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"official Revan is confirmed by Leland Chee, George Lucas and other developers to be male."

Revans considered by George Lucas and the devlopers to be male, so hes probaly male, Ive only played revan as male, cause I prefer to play as my own gender, So i really couldnt think of him as a female now, cause I have it in my mind hes male, the whole section seems pointless really, just a opinion by feminists players and players who think of revan as a woman.No one's put up a controversy page on the Jedi Exile, some players may consider the Exile male, even though she's canoical female, It dosent seem to be a controvery, just opinions, take the whole gender controversy section down I say - As Above, So Below 20:01, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I seem to recall that for a long time the official stance was Revan was cannonically female, did this change or was there just bad information out there? (StarkeRealm (talk) 20:05, 7 June 2008 (UTC))[reply]

You might be thinking of the Jedi Exile. -- I need a name (talk) 20:21, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The canon Revan is male and most probably the character will be treated as such in future. Leland Chee a Lucas film official confirmed it. The Old Knight Republic comics from Dark Horse also refer with “HIM” and “HE”. The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia, Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide, Chronicles of the Old Republic and The New Essential Chronology all states that Revan is a male. I don’t think it a matter of debate because it already canon and confirmed by Lucas. The rest is just personal opinion and preferences. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.54.86.91 (talk) 11:34, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

While Revan is a male by cannon, it seems a little off that the article lists "Potrayed by:" and then only the male voice actor. Riphal (talk) 14:17, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If Revan is indeed canonically male, the article needs official sources for that. Right now, the only source cited for Revan's canonical maleness is Daniel Wallace's New Essential Chronology. That is an unofficial Star Wars publication. According to Wallace's own bio from the book, he is not a Star Wars creator but a "chronicler" and someone who has written some "essential guides" on various Star Wars topics^[1]. Songi360 (talk) 19:40, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/new-essential-chronology-daniel-wallace/1101890457. Retrieved 27 March 2018. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)

In-universe

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Even though reliable sources may be tough to come up with, any effort to introduce coherently written real world aspects will be greatly appreciated, because it contributes to the depth of the article and accurate coverage of the topic, and thereby makes for an improved reading experience and increases the encyclopedic value of the article.

—AldeBaer 15:49, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Game Class paragraph out of line

Most fans, being unaware or even unaccepting of simple mechanical issues in the game engine and time constraints a company faces, completely disregard the fact that using alternative portraits is based only on the character in your party (and his or her alignment); I doubt that they would sit down and make a convoluted script just to add the possibility of having all possible portraits for Revan in game.

How Revan is supposed to be a Guardian solely on such a matter... That is preposterous: not only are comics very well known for incosistencies with other sources, but even with the same source or line, and there's little reason to put so much emphasis on an already subjective matter introduced by Bioware (i.e. I don't think there is any direct relation between Guard. vs. Cons. and the colour of their lightsabres in the official canon, or even a mention of the former terms, really). —Preceding unsigned comment added by RaspK FOG (talk • contribs) 16:39, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New Image

I have no idea how to upload an image on here, however, I can provide a couple links so that whoever cis able to can upload these images here.In my opinion the current pic is, to put it bluntly, crappy.

I'm not sure if the third one is good since it shows him with a red lightsaber, but it's your guy's choice.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 20:48, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Name

There is a name section in the article which ties the name "Revan" with "revanchism," from the French word revanche, meaning revenge. While Revan and Malak could be said to have applied the doctrine of revanchism against the Mandalorians, and Revan's revenge on Malak is a major plot point, the name Revan may come from other sources as well. For example, because Revan is canonically light-side, it may have been intended that the name Revan invoke the words riven, meaning "to split" (as Revan's actions split the jedi order) and also revenant, as Revan is "one who returns." Because of this, and the lack of any evidence regarding the intent of the game's writers, I propose that the section be removed. Staypuft9 (talk) 17:46, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I took it out -- and am pretty sure I took it out of the article some time a while ago. Or maybe I'm thinking of the ORish Darth Scion or some other KotOR figure. Anyhow. Thanks for the catch! --EEMIV (talk) 17:53, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I seem to recall Revan being referred to as "The Revanchist" at some point 96.254.10.18 (talk) 15:03, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Uhh... isn't Revan just 'Raven' with the vowels switched?

Revan's first teacher

"Initially, Revan's instruction was undertaken by the Jedi Kreia on Coruscant" <-- I have a problem with this. Is there any indication that "Kreia" is actually a name she used as a Jedi, rather than just one she adopted later on to hide her identity as Darth Traya?

For that matter, wasn't it actually Arren Kae, Briana's mother?

--Markus Ramikin (talk) 08:40, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kreia's real name is ambiguous, as anyone in game who calls her that has been introduced to her as such. There's speculation that she's actually Arren Kae, but concerning her name when she was a Jedi, nothing has yet been confirmed. As for the second question, Kreia claims to be Revan's first and last master (and as I have said, she may actually be Kae). However, as she lies throughout the game, this, like everything else she says should be taken with a grain of salt.68.60.111.239 (talk) 21:45, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, according to the Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide, Kreia was her name.--69.21.103.254 (talk) 18:41, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect

Even substantially trimmed from what it was a few weeks ago, this article is still 90% regurgitation of plot summary from KOTOR (and summary of minor appearances in other contexts). I suggest a redirect to List of Star Wars characters. Is there any significant opposition bolstered by citations to establish this character's independent notability? (Yes, I see the uncited bits about an action figure and a fan poll. But other EU characters have also been toy-ified and that by itself doesn't establish notability.) --EEMIV (talk) 16:13, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

defeated by bastila???

Not in your life. Revan was not defeated by Bastila, he was almost killed when Malak betrayed him and ordered his ship to fire at him while he was ready to face the 3 jedi that had boarded his ship (Bastila included). Bastila was out of league against Malak, there is no way she would have been able to defeat Revan himself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.167.65.253 (talk) 19:36, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes it has been changed. Not only do I agree with you, it is also inaccurate to what happen in the game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.54.86.91 (talk) 12:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Image

I appreciate the value of a free cosplayer photo, but a picture of a fan's homemade costume != the original character itself. Cosplay photo would be appropriate in reaction section, but not for the lead photo. NB featured articles on various other fictional characters for which there are lots of cosplay images (Master Chief, etc.). --EEMIV (talk) 15:22, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Etymology

I don't know if this is proper for Revan's Wikipedia page, but the WP page on the Hindi god Ravana says this "The name 'Ravana' obtains from the root 'ru' 'raavayati iti raavaNaH' 'one who makes enemies cry by his violent actions." I wonder if it's worth pointing out. Philcarr (talk) 17:51, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Reliable Sources

Someone called "Harry Blue5" has been edit warring. He objects to the Wookiepedia as a source, calling it "not reliable". He has a point; Wikipedia:Reliable_source_examples notes that "Wikis, including Wikipedia and other wikis sponsored by the Wikimedia Foundation, are not regarded as reliable sources." So wookiepedia is not generally suitable for a reference, though as an overview of others sources its still probably OK. Pending discussion I've reverted that back too; there seem to be an awful lot of wookiepedia references in other Star Wars project articles. It would be better if any references through wookiepedia were dereferenced, though, to a proper secondary source. Sdoradus (talk) 07:34, 13 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Harry Blue5 also declares certain elements of "Further Appearances" Original Research. Most of these are verifiable. The WP:OR policy condemns syntheses, but items cited from the works themselves, as primary sources, are not necessarily "original research". For example the appearance of Revan with a red and a violet lightsaber can effectively be verified. On the other hand, canonicity is a complex issue and the C-canon status of some works is disputable. Presumably Harry Blue5 will be able to discriminate the first type from the second in future edits. Sdoradus (talk) 07:34, 13 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The reason for items from works themselves not necessarily being OR is that anyone with access to the novel, or movie, or game, can consult the work itself to verify the assertion made; in a way they are the ultimate primary source. Mind you Wikipedia prefers secondary sources where possible, precisely because use primary sources can too easily lead to "original research". In any event the multiple audits made have been reverted pending proper discussion. Sdoradus (talk) 05:06, 13 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There's no edit war. HB's edits are appropriate, and the content you're looking to restore fail WP:OR, WP:RS. --EEMIV (talk) 14:53, 13 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wookiepedia is not really a reliable source. It can be edited on just like Wikipedia. Hearing something from maybe creators itself can maybe prove the point. Maybe even Wookiepedia had a source on it's own article to prove point. Jhenderson⁷⁷⁷ 16:47, 13 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The information provided was almost certainly not verified.

"Alternatively, since one NPC dialogue with Canderous describes an animated asteroid strongly suggesting an early Yuuzhan Vong probe, Bioware may have intended this as Revan's target."

The verified information is that "Canderous describes an animated asteroid". There is, however, no source for "strongly suggesting" and BioWare intending it to have been something. What you need there is a source from BioWare saying "We intended to have Revan's target as X and we wrote the segment on the animated asteroid to strongly suggest Y". There's not a source for that. So, what we have there is Canderous describing an animated asteroid, and only that. You could add that, but it seems to be straying from the point and going into too much detail on a trivial thing. Harry Blue5 (talk • contribs) 21:05, 13 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Rewriting the "Biography" section

I believe that the whole Biography section needs to be replaced with the normal out-of-universe version "Appearances" (with, of course, the current Appearances section axed). However, if trimmed, I think that some of the fictional history might have a place in the lead. So, as I don't know much about Revan outside of his KotOR appearance, does anyone know which details are unimportant enough to trim? Harry Blue5 (talk • contribs) 06:47, 14 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Gender

@Tiderolls: Despite what 108.208.136.156 may think, Revan's gender is only confirmed as male in the non-canonical Star Wars Legends continuity. In Star Wars canon, the character's gender is not currently confirmed as either male or female in either of their two mentions. Until either is confirmed, it is better to keep things neutral. InfinityTrainer (talk) 23:25, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@InfinityTrainer:..apologies, but your ping didn't work. Administrators do not referee content. I'm strictly concerned with the edit warring. If you have a source reporting that the gender is not confirmed then I'm confident your changes won't be challenged. Tiderolls 14:00, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
For the record, InfinityTrainer was a sockpuppet and I've ultimately reverted their edits as WP:OR. -- ferret (talk) 17:55, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed! I find it rather baffling that all attempts to edit the article to make it gender-neutral—and above all else, more canon-compliant—are shot down by Mr. @Ferret here. The character of Revan does not have a canonical gender, and relying solely on Legends material to back up the claims of him being a male are ludicrous. The article should only use gendered pronouns in reference to material wherein Revan's gender was not defined by the player (i.e., the novels, the MMO). Furthermore, the teaser trailer for the upcoming remake of the Knights of the Old Republic explicitly uses non-binary pronouns to refer to Revan! What is even more outrageous is the fact that the article's author refuses to credit the actress who voiced female Revan in the original game. It's been nineteen years and that information is still omitted here.

This gatekeeping of a character's gender is unfounded and just plain disgusting. Those are not Wikipedia standards, and this is highly unprofessional. Keep that behavior to Wookieepedia. 87.99.112.60 (talk) 14:16, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please Declare This Character Semi-Mythological; Nothing Else Makes Sense... Nothing at All!

Thank you. No more need be said. 101.109.167.229 (talk) 18:37, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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