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Redirects for discussion (RfD) is the place where potentially problematic redirects are discussed. Items usually stay listed for a week or so, after which they are deleted, kept, or retargeted.
- If you want to replace an unprotected redirect with an article, do not list it here. Turning redirects into articles is wholly encouraged. Be bold!
- If you want to move a page but a redirect is in the way, do not list it here. For non-controversial cases, place a technical request; if a discussion is required, then start a requested move.
- If you think a redirect points to the wrong target article, this is a good place to discuss the proper target.
- Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links. Please do not use this as the only reason to delete a redirect. However, redirects that do have incoming links are sometimes deleted, so that is not a sufficient condition for keeping. (See § When should we delete a redirect? for more information.)
Please do not unilaterally rename or change the target of a redirect while it is under discussion. This adds unnecessary complication to the discussion for participants and closers.
Before listing a redirect for discussion
[edit]Please be aware of these general policies, which apply here as elsewhere:
- Wikipedia:Redirect – what redirects are, why they exist, and how they are used.
- Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion – which pages can be deleted without discussion; in particular the "General" and "Redirects" sections.
- Wikipedia:Deletion policy – how we delete things by consensus.
- Wikipedia:Guide to deletion – guidelines on discussion format and shorthand.
The guiding principles of RfD
[edit]- The purpose of a good redirect is to eliminate the possibility that readers will find themselves staring blankly at "Search results 1–10 out of 378" instead of the article they were looking for. If someone could plausibly enter the redirect's name when searching for the target article, it's a good redirect.
- Redirects are cheap. They take up little storage space and use very little bandwidth. It doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around. On the flip side, deleting redirects is also cheap because recording the deletion takes up little storage space and uses very little bandwidth. There is no harm in deleting problematic redirects.
- If a good-faith RfD nomination proposes to delete a redirect and has no discussion after at least 7 days, the default result is delete.
- Redirects nominated in contravention of Wikipedia:Redirect will be speedily kept.
- RfD can also serve as a central discussion forum for debates about which page a redirect should target. In cases where retargeting the redirect could be considered controversial, it is advisable to leave a notice on the talk page of the redirect's current target page or the proposed target page to refer readers to the redirect's nomination to allow input and help form consensus for the redirect's target.
- Requests for deletion of redirects from one page's talk page to another's do not need to be listed here. Anyone can remove the redirect by blanking the page. The G6 criterion for speedy deletion may be appropriate.
- In discussions, always ask yourself whether or not a redirect would be helpful to the reader.
When should we delete a redirect?
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The major reasons why deletion of redirects is harmful are:
- a redirect may contain non-trivial edit history;
- if a redirect is reasonably old (or is the result of moving a page that has been there for quite some time), then it is possible that its deletion will break incoming links (such links coming from older revisions of Wikipedia pages, from edit summaries, from other Wikimedia projects or from elsewhere on the internet, do not show up in "What links here").
Therefore consider the deletion only of either harmful redirects or of recent ones.
Reasons for deleting
[edit]You might want to delete a redirect if one or more of the following conditions is met (but note also the exceptions listed below this list):
- The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine. For example, if the user searches for "New Articles", and is redirected to a disambiguation page for "Articles", it would take much longer to get to the newly added articles on Wikipedia.
- The redirect might cause confusion. For example, if "Adam B. Smith" was redirected to "Andrew B. Smith", because Andrew was accidentally called Adam in one source, this could cause confusion with the article on Adam Smith, so the redirect should be deleted.
- The redirect is offensive or abusive, such as redirecting "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" to "Joe Bloggs" (unless "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" is legitimately discussed in the article), or "Joe Bloggs" to "Loser". (Speedy deletion criterion G10 and G3 may apply.) See also § Neutrality of redirects.
- The redirect constitutes self-promotion or spam. (Speedy deletion criterion G11 may apply.)
- The redirect makes no sense, such as redirecting "Apple" to "Orange". (Speedy deletion criterion G1 may apply.)
- It is a cross-namespace redirect out of article space, such as one pointing into the User or Wikipedia namespace. The major exception to this rule are the pseudo-namespace shortcut redirects, which technically are in the main article space. Some long-standing cross-namespace redirects are also kept because of their long-standing history and potential usefulness. "MOS:" redirects, for example, are an exception to this rule. (Note also the existence of namespace aliases such as WP:. Speedy deletion criterion R2 may apply if the target namespace is something other than Category:, Template:, Wikipedia:, Help:, or Portal:.)
- If the redirect is broken, meaning it redirects to an article that does not exist, it can be immediately deleted under speedy deletion criterion G8. You should check that there is not an alternative place it could be appropriately redirected to first and that it has not become broken through vandalism.
- If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target, it is unlikely to be useful. In particular, redirects in a language other than English to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created. (Implausible typos or misnomers are candidates for speedy deletion criterion R3, if recently created.)
- If the target article needs to be moved to the redirect title, but the redirect has been edited before and has a history of its own, then the title needs to be freed up to make way for the move. If the move is uncontroversial, tag the redirect for G6 speedy deletion, or alternatively (with the
suppressredirect
user right; available to page movers and admins), perform a round-robin move. If not, take the article to Requested moves. - If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject.
Reasons for not deleting
[edit]However, avoid deleting such redirects if:
- They have a potentially useful page history, or an edit history that should be kept to comply with the licensing requirements for a merge (see Wikipedia:Merge and delete). On the other hand, if the redirect was created by renaming a page with that name, and the page history just mentions the renaming, and for one of the reasons above you want to delete the page, copy the page history to the Talk page of the article it redirects to. The act of renaming is useful page history, and even more so if there has been discussion on the page name.
- They would aid accidental linking and make the creation of duplicate articles less likely, whether by redirecting a plural to a singular, by redirecting a frequent misspelling to a correct spelling, by redirecting a misnomer to a correct term, by redirecting to a synonym, etc. In other words, redirects with no incoming links are not candidates for deletion on those grounds because they are of benefit to the browsing user. Some extra vigilance by editors will be required to minimize the occurrence of those frequent misspellings in article text because the linkified misspellings will not appear as broken links; consider tagging the redirect with the {{R from misspelling}} template to assist editors in monitoring these misspellings.
- They aid searches on certain terms. For example, users who might see the "Keystone State" mentioned somewhere but do not know what that refers to will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania (target) article.
- Deleting redirects runs the risk of breaking incoming or internal links. For example, redirects resulting from page moves should not normally be deleted without good reason. Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including CamelCase links (e.g. WolVes) and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. See also Wikipedia:Link rot § Link rot on non-Wikimedia sites.
- Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways. Evidence of usage can be gauged by using the wikishark or pageviews tool on the redirect to see the number of views it gets.
- The redirect is to a closely related word form, such as a plural form to a singular form.
Neutrality of redirects
[edit]Just as article titles using non-neutral language are permitted in some circumstances, so are such redirects. Because redirects are less visible to readers, more latitude is allowed in their names, therefore perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is not a sufficient reason for their deletion. In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term. Non-neutral redirects may be tagged with {{R from non-neutral name}}
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Non-neutral redirects are commonly created for three reasons:
- Articles that are created using non-neutral titles are routinely moved to a new neutral title, which leaves behind the old non-neutral title as a working redirect (e.g. Climategate → Climatic Research Unit email controversy).
- Articles created as POV forks may be deleted and replaced by a redirect pointing towards the article from which the fork originated (e.g. Barack Obama Muslim rumor → deleted and now redirected to Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories).
- The subject matter of articles may be represented by some sources outside Wikipedia in non-neutral terms. Such terms are generally avoided in Wikipedia article titles, per the words to avoid guidelines and the general neutral point of view policy. For instance the non-neutral expression "Attorneygate" is used to redirect to the neutrally titled Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy. The article in question has never used that title, but the redirect was created to provide an alternative means of reaching it because a number of press reports use the term.
The exceptions to this rule would be redirects that are not established terms and are unlikely to be useful, and therefore may be nominated for deletion, perhaps under deletion reason #3. However, if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, as it will facilitate searches on such terms. Please keep in mind that RfD is not the place to resolve most editorial disputes.
Closing notes
[edit]- Details at Administrator instructions for RfD
Nominations should remain open, per policy, about a week before they are closed, unless they meet the general criteria for speedy deletion, the criteria for speedy deletion of a redirect, or are not valid redirect discussion requests (e.g. are actually move requests).
How to list a redirect for discussion
[edit]STEP I. | Tag the redirect(s).
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STEP II. | List the entry on RfD.
Click here to edit the section of RfD for today's entries.
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STEP III. | Notify users.
It is generally considered good practice to notify the creator and main contributors of the redirect(s) that you nominate. may be placed on the creator/main contributors' user talk page to provide notice of the discussion. Please replace RedirectName with the name of the respective creator/main contributors' redirect and use an edit summary such as: Notice of redirect discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]]
Notices about the RfD discussion may also be left on relevant talk pages. |
- Please consider using What links here to locate other redirects that may be related to the one you are nominating. After going to the redirect target page and selecting "What links here" in the toolbox on the left side of your computer screen, select both "Hide transclusions" and "Hide links" filters to display the redirects to the redirect target page.
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Current list
[edit]Old Confederacy
[edit]- Old Confederacy → Old Swiss Confederacy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I really think this ought to be disambiguated due to a lack of a clear primary topic. This is common American shorthand to refer to those states that once were part of the Confederate States of America. This appears to be a valid term for the Old Swiss Confederacy though as well; I'm not convinced there's a primary topic. Hog Farm Talk 03:20, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Artwork at the World Trade Center
[edit]- Artwork at the World Trade Center → Artwork at the World Trade Center (2001-present) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Artwork in the World Trade Center → Artwork at the World Trade Center (2001-present) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
no PTOPIC w/ Artwork at the World Trade Center (1973–2001), which redirects to Artwork damaged or destroyed in the September 11 attacks. Queen of Hearts (talk) 01:58, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
You Decide on the Adventure
[edit]- You Decide on the Adventure → Nintendo gamebooks#You Decide on the Adventure (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Extremely novel and obscure redirect that is only used in one article as a "not to be confused" item, and is barely mentioned and described in the target article. Definitely deserves to be deleted. MimirIsSmart (talk) 01:17, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Roland Burris Burial Site
[edit]- Roland Burris Burial Site → Oak Woods Cemetery#Roland Burris tomb (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The relevant section has since been removed, and the burial site is only linked from Roland Burris and a see-also at Burris. We could logically redirect this to Roland Burris, but we'd then realistically need to remove those incoming links as circular and redundant, respectively. Better, I think, to delete this, and recreate it later if the situation warrants (presumably not before his actual death). BDD (talk) 15:13, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Roland Burris#Personal life and education: I actually prefer this option, where the structure is discussed/described. Seems fairly unambiguous; certainly, can't think of anything else a reader might be looking for. Easy enough to remove the outdated links. It's a shame this redirect isn't decapitalised i.e. Roland Burris burial site or perhaps even Roland Burris mausoleum might have been more apt. 78.149.135.163 (talk) 23:52, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- It might be capitalized intentionally, if it's an official name. If it's not, that makes it an even less likely search term. --BDD (talk) 18:23, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete or retarget?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 08:22, 29 August 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:38, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Roland Burris#Personal life and education, per above. We have the information, this is where it is. Fieari (talk) 23:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Sarcastive
[edit]the history says some haiman guy coined the word, but i found nothing on its origin or existence, and haiman is a dab. not sure if it refers to john haiman or some other unmentioned haiman. please pretend this was written in a clever, sarcastic way cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:25, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:38, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Eumephism
[edit]created as a possible misspelling, but... it doesn't seem like it. i got no results cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:37, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep: not unreasonable for someone who is learning English to mix up the sounds in a somewhat complicated word; it seems to get pageviews. Cremastra (talk) 16:59, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - A somewhat rare but non-implausible misspelling/typo/mishearing/misremembering of the word. Linguistically, misplacing the middle "m" sound is a very easy mistake to make, so it's less that fingers slipped and more that the tongue slips, or the mind slips, moving the sound around, and then they type what they say/hear in their head. It gets a dozen or so hits a year, so it's useful to someone, and WP:CHEAP applies. Fieari (talk) 23:51, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Brody Foxx
[edit]- Brody Foxx → "Yo mama" joke (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Redirect not mentioned at target. Off the top of my head this is some youtuber who makes jokes like this. Whether he is notable enough to be mentioned on it, I don't know, but as it stands no reason to redirect. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:51, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Terrokar Forest
[edit]- Terrokar Forest → World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Terokkar Forest → World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- This specific zone is in fact mentioned at the target, though you'd have to check the spelling. Target is unlikely to be ambiguous, so keep. IznoPublic (talk) 02:45, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Terokkar Forest (correct spelling) per Izno. Neutral on the other one. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 19:41, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Terrokar Forest, keep Terokkar Forest. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:30, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 20:14, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
TSTM
[edit]- TSTM → Thunderstorm (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Tstm → Thirty Seconds to Mars (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I think these should point at the same target? (Also, definitely not primary, but there is a song on Cat Spectacular! with this title.) 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:15, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Thirty Seconds to Mars, which is the very clear primary topic, and add a hatnote to the other uses. Thryduulf (talk) 18:42, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget TSTM to "Thirty Seconds to Mars" - Retarget TSTM to "Thirty Seconds to Mars" per WP:PTOPIC. --Jax 0677 (talk) 20:28, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Some overly capitalized redirects
[edit]- KOLKATTA → Kolkata (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- CALCATTA → Kolkata (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- LADAKH India → Ladakh (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- LADAKH, INDIA → Ladakh (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- LADAKH → Ladakh (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- LAKSHADWEEP → Lakshadweep (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- MANIPUR, INDIA → Manipur (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- MANIPUR INDIA → Manipur (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- MANIPUR → Manipur (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- MEGALAYA, India → Meghalaya (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- MEGALAYA → Meghalaya (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- MEGHALAYA, INDIA → Meghalaya (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- MEGALAYA, INDIA → Meghalaya (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- MEGHALAYA → Meghalaya (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Assam, INDIA → Assam (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- ASSAM, INDIA → Assam (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- ASSAM INDIA → Assam (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- TRIPURA, INDIA → Tripura (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- TRIPURA → Tripura (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- MIZORAM, INDIA → Mizoram (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- NAGALAND, INDIA → Nagaland (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- BIHAR, BHARAT → Bihar (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- State of BIHAR, INDIA → Bihar (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- BIHAR, INDIA → Bihar (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- GUJARAT, INDIA → Gujarat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- GUJARAT INDIA → Gujarat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- GUJARAT → Gujarat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- CHHATTISGARH → Chhattisgarh (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- JHARKHAND → Jharkhand (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- BIHAR → Bihar (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- PUNJAB, INDIA → Punjab, India (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- PUNJAB → Punjab, India (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- HARYANA, INDIA → Haryana (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- RAJASTHAN → Rajasthan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- MIZORAM → Mizoram (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- NAGALAND → Nagaland (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- UTTAR PRADESH, INDIA → Uttar Pradesh (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- UTTAR PRADESH → Uttar Pradesh (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Karnataka STATE → Karnataka (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- State OF KARNATAKA → Karnataka (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- KARNATAKA STATE → Karnataka (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- TELANGANA STATE → Telangana (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- STATE OF Kerala → Kerala (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- STATE OF KERALA INDIA → Kerala (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- KERALA STATE INDIA → Kerala (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- KERALA STATE, INDIA → Kerala (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- KERALA STATE → Kerala (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Based on the capitalizations used, these are not likely or useful redirects (WP:RCAPS). Note that these were all created by the same user, and there were a lot more, but they've been R3 tagged (no spaces between commas and words, punctuation at the end, etc., perhaps these should have been R3 tagged as well). Hey man im josh (talk) 14:10, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all - recently created. If these were older ones I would have reconsidered. I wouldn't mind some of these in proper case. However, R3 is for typos and misnomers, and these are neither. Jay 💬 14:30, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah that's kind of where I struggle @Jay. I don't think all caps are necessarily R3 eligible, but I have seen some people process similar ones. It just didn't feel right for me to R3 all of these though because it doesn't fit the description of the criteria, even if it's applied slightly differently in practice sometimes. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:23, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- delete all as raw. a lot of those aren't even committed to being in all caps cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:41, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as implausible/Wp:UNNATURAL. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:22, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Keep per WP:CHEAP. Someone might forget to turn off their CAPS lock and type one of those titles. If they do, they should be sent to the appropriate article. --Jax 0677 (talk) 20:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- DELETE ALL PER NOM. STEEL1943 (talk) 22:22, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Zelensky: The Unlikely Ukrainian Hero Who Defied Putin and United the World
[edit]- Zelensky: The Unlikely Ukrainian Hero Who Defied Putin and United the World → Regnery Publishing (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at the target. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:29, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. It looks like the purpose of this and several other book redirects to the same target is for them to show up under Category:Regnery Publishing books, but then clicking on them brings us to the publisher's article that doesn't have a list or a collection of their best books. Jay 💬 14:34, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. I wanted to test the waters with this one redirect first, then I figured I might batch nominate the rest after if someone doesn't add a list into the article in response. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:24, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
List of items in Sonic games
[edit]- List of items in Sonic games → Sonic the Hedgehog (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No such list at the target article, and there does not seem to be any applicable target in any of the Sonic-related subtopic articles either. Steel1943 (talk) 01:02, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Sonic the Hedgehog#Gameplay, which discusses how items work in respect to its gameplay. Sergecross73 msg me 16:05, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- delete. list not present, sonic isn't known for having a clear definition of "item" (are wisps items?), list unlikely to be present since wikipedia isn't known for being a game guide cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:43, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 09:47, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Super Emeralds
[edit]- Super Emeralds → Sonic the Hedgehog#Chaos Emeralds (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Super Emerald → Sonic the Hedgehog#Chaos Emeralds (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The target article contains information about "Chaos emeralds" and "Master emerald" ... but nothing about a "Super emerald". Readers trying to find information about this topic will find nothing at the target. Steel1943 (talk) 00:54, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - "Super Emeralds", in short, are the same thing as Chaos Emeralds, just "bigger and more powerful". This can be easily amended where Chaos Emeralds are covered. Sergecross73 msg me 16:02, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 09:47, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Solitaire (solitaire)
[edit]- Solitaire (solitaire) → Klondike (solitaire) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
unnecessary disambiguate, don't see how it'll be helpful to someone Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 04:06, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Redundant and unnecessary. CycloneYoris talk! 09:59, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- delete (delete) per "what target do we even put this in?" cogsan (cogsan) (nag me) (stalk me) 12:49, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, or at least create solitaire (solitaire) ((solitaire)). Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:05, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, perhaps it should have been Solitaire (Klondike), which would also have been redundant, as Solitaire (game) leads to Patience (game) which does mention
Solitaire is often used worldwide just to refer to the game of Klondike.
Jay 💬 14:50, 5 September 2024 (UTC) - Keep, although I don't have any arguments stronger than the one I gave in my creation message: Klondike the game in the patience genre can also be known as Solitaire the game in the solitaire genre. This matches page titles like Klondike (solitaire) and Spider (solitaire). Dingolover6969 (talk) 16:41, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - You know what? I buy Dingolover's argument above. That works for me. Klondike is commonly known as simply solitaire after all, as our own article on it confirms, and it is a card game in the solitaire family. Fieari (talk) 23:57, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Canon Professional Services
[edit]- Canon Professional Services → Canon Inc.#CPS (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- CPS (Canon) → Canon Inc.#CPS (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target, and at least "Canon Professional Services" only seems to have passing mentions. Tagged as {{R to article without mention}} in 2018 but should probably have just been RfDed back then already. 1234qwer1234qwer4 03:53, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Double digest
[edit]- Double digest → Restriction digest (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
"Double digest" is better known for being a marketing term used by Archie Comics than as a synonym for restriction digest. In fact, the current redirect target does not mention "double digest". Kinopiko talk 00:34, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete in favour of search results. Someone searching "double digest" intending to find additional information on this type of restriction digest won't be served well by this redirect. Though by DDG search results, at least, I wouldn't say that the use by Archie Comics is more well known/widespread. Therefore, delete and let the user find what they want through search. ― Synpath 15:06, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Australia 2032
[edit]- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 July 25 § Korea 2018 – Delete (no appropriate retarget option at the time)
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 September 3 § China 2008 – Retarget to 2008 in China
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 September 3 § Brazil 2016 – Retarget to 2016 in Brazil
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 September 6 § Italy 2026 – Delete (no appropriate retarget option at the time)
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 September 26 § Japan 2020 – Delete all (China 2022, France 2024, and USA 2028 were included)
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 24 § CountryName Year redirects to events – Delete all 10 (no appropriate retarget option at the time)
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 February 20 § Qatar 2023 – Retarget to 2023 in Qatar
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 20 § France 2024 – Retarget to 2024 in France
- Australia 2032 → 2032 Summer Olympics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not appear to be branded as "Australia 2032" from what I've searched, just as "Brisbane 2032". Hey man im josh (talk) 16:46, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- I've added a number of related redirects in which "CountryName Year" redirects ended up being deleted or retargeted. There is precedence for deleting this redirect based on a number of deletions over the years. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:00, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- The redirect seems like a reasonable aid to find the page. As redirects are for helping people find the right page, I don't think it should matter that the name is different from the official brand. It may be worth changing after 2032, but at the moment it seems fine. Safes007 (talk) 05:45, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Safes007: The point is that it's not the expect result based on the tens of thousands of other CountryName Year redirects that exist. As such, it's misleading because this isn't what one would expect to be the "right page". Hey man im josh (talk) 18:20, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- The redirect seems like a reasonable aid to find the page. As redirects are for helping people find the right page, I don't think it should matter that the name is different from the official brand. It may be worth changing after 2032, but at the moment it seems fine. Safes007 (talk) 05:45, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:45, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Chengdu Airport
[edit]- Chengdu Airport → Chengdu Shuangliu International Airport (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I was intending to move the disambiguation page Chengdu airport to this name for proper capitalization. However, the original creator of the redirect states that this is a common name for the target airport. Would need sources to confirm this, and I'm unsure if this is even an appropriate redirect (due to the disambiguation page). Johnj1995 (talk) 19:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- I feel like this is more appropriate to ask via a WP:RM on the disambiguation page (i.e., whether Chengdu airport should be moved to Chengdu airport (disambiguation) to make it a redirect to the same page as the nominated one). 1234qwer1234qwer4 19:23, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- @1234qwer1234qwer4:. The disambiguation page should be moved to either Chengdu Airport or Chengdu Airport (disambiguation) for consistency (see Beijing Airport, Shanghai Airport). Also, I don't know if this is even an appropriate target for Chengdu Airport, because non-Chinese users might be looking for Chengdu Tianfu International Airport, which is where all international flights to Chengdu are operated. Johnj1995 (talk) 21:01, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Make "Chengdu Airport" a full disambiguation page because both Chengdu Tianfu International Airport (international) and Chengdu Shuangliu International Airport (now domestic) are equally notable WhisperToMe (talk) 02:24, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- The status quo looks correct to me. Is Chengdu Tianfu International Airport commonly known as "Chengdu Airport"? The article gives "Tianfu Airport" as the shorthand for that one. On the other hand, the article says that the shorthand for Chengdu Shuangliu International Airport is "Chengdu Airport". As for the lowercase variant, one would be looking for an airport in Chengdu, not an airport named "Chengdu Airport". The disambiguation does list the airports in Chengdu, but I would suggest that Chengdu#Air is more helpful. -- Tavix (talk) 14:56, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Chengdu Shuangliu for years was the only Chengdu Airport, so lots of older sources rightfully called it "Chengdu Airport". However all of the international flights went to Tianfu after it opened, and many EN wikipedians may be thinking of Tianfu Airport now when typing in "Chengdu Airport". I would look at the post-Tianfu opening source usage to see if Shuangliu is still called "Chengdu Airport" without disambiguaion WhisperToMe (talk) 04:26, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support the creation of a disambiguation page as previously stated. The distinction between the two similarly named airports is not obvious to the uninitiated. Carguychris (talk) 17:40, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Chengdu Shuangliu for years was the only Chengdu Airport, so lots of older sources rightfully called it "Chengdu Airport". However all of the international flights went to Tianfu after it opened, and many EN wikipedians may be thinking of Tianfu Airport now when typing in "Chengdu Airport". I would look at the post-Tianfu opening source usage to see if Shuangliu is still called "Chengdu Airport" without disambiguaion WhisperToMe (talk) 04:26, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Drafted a dab. Jay 💬 11:47, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Note that AssieBassie000 changed it from draft to disambiguation page by overwriting the redirect, and made it a duplicate of Chengdu airport, and then Bkonrad removed it completely. So now we have no draft for the uppercase version. If there is support for separate pages for the uppercase and lowercase versions, my version can be restored. Jay 💬 10:06, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, no opinion about whether one of these airports should have a primary topic redirect. However, if consensus is to dabify, the existing lower case dab page should be moved and cleaned up rather than creating a duplicate. older ≠ wiser 18:06, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
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Magik (film)
[edit]- Magik (film) → Benedict Cumberbatch (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Magik (2015 film) → Benedict Cumberbatch (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Situation I haven't run into here: This was a BLAR to an article that does not currently mention the subject, but restoring the article would go against WP:NFF, which means there isn't a snowball's chance in Hell that the article would survive AfD. I think the best approach is restore article but draftify, which is the better way to incubate something in development hell anyways. (Normally I wouldn't take something to RfD just to !vote restore, since anyone can do that, but if I were to unilaterally restore and draftify I feel like that would be backdoor deletion of the redirect.) -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 00:56, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Restore/Draftify per nom. You make a good case for it, and I appreciate the reasoning for going through the RfD process. Fieari (talk) 01:22, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Although back in 2018 and 2019 it was restored twice so I think it probably should be restored and sent to AFD per WP:BLA and if it is desired to disambiguate (if the 2024 one is different) then the edit history should be moved to Magik (2018 film) and redirected to Magik (disambiguation) per WP:INCDAB. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:21, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Bundling the related redirect Magik (2015 film). Hyphenation Expert (talk) 04:09, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment - Well, this is really two separate issues. The draft(s) can be restored and draftified, if desired. What needs to be determined here is: Are these appropriate titles to point (i.e redirect) to targets in the mainspace? — Godsy (TALKCONT) 18:13, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete both per WP:NFF as the nom points out. This looks like a film that was shelved a long time ago. Unless there has been any recent updates there is no point in draftifying it because it'll just be deleted six months down the road. -- Tavix (talk) 20:12, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Well we can't predict now whether there will be updates in the next six months. But even if there aren't, having deleted history be at a draftspace title is helpful for if the film does get made years from now, letting a future editor know that they can have it undeleted. And if that doesn't happen and it does just get G13'd and never undeleted, then we're no worse off. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 06:03, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Given how long ago we're talking, I feel rather confident that there will be no updates in the next six months. Even if I'm wrong, I would rather deleted history be in mainspace rather than draftspace. The edit history would be less 'hidden' there because casual editors aren't as familiar with draftspace. -- Tavix (talk) 14:17, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Well we can't predict now whether there will be updates in the next six months. But even if there aren't, having deleted history be at a draftspace title is helpful for if the film does get made years from now, letting a future editor know that they can have it undeleted. And if that doesn't happen and it does just get G13'd and never undeleted, then we're no worse off. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 06:03, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Magik (2015 film) at least – it has no meaningful page history and the year disambiguator doesn't apply anymore. Probably delete Magik (film) as well since there is very little chance the film will ever be made or be notable enough as an unmade film to have its own article. I don't see the point in draftifying it. Also, the current target is confusing. Mclay1 (talk) 01:02, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Restore and send to AfD as a disputed BLAR. Thryduulf (talk) 11:14, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
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Couch sex
[edit]![Delete](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/White_x_in_red_rounded_square.svg/16px-White_x_in_red_rounded_square.svg.png)
Silly mountain
[edit]Hanshan Deqing can be "Silly Mountain" - "Crazy Mountain" is in the article, but "Silly Mountain" can be used to distinguish from Hanshan (poet) ("Cold Mountain"). The other items in the disambiguation page are different Chinese characters and I don't think any can be "Silly". There is also Silly Mountain (Arizona) - not sure if there should be a separate disambiguation page or (if there are only two uses) a redirect to one or the other. Peter James (talk) 11:32, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yep, disambiguate these two meanings because neither seems to be primary for such a niche term. --Joy (talk) 10:17, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Silly Mountain (Arizona), or move that article to Silly Mountain and retarget there, possibly with a hatnote to it being an alternative name for Hanshan Deqing. The fact that "Silly Mountain" didn't even merit inclusion as a possible name at the latter article (which does include "foolish mountain" as well as the above mentioned "Crazy Mountain") seems to indicate to me that the Arizona mountain is what someone would be looking for searching under this, though it's a plausible translation and probably makes sense to hatnote. Dylnuge (Talk • Edits) 23:04, 11 August 2024 (UTC) (edited 01:03, 5 September 2024 (UTC))
- @Dylnuge that could just be happenstance, though. We should probably avoid focusing on editor behavior (what is currently written in Wikipedia), rather on reader behavior (what is actually out there in the real world that should be documented by an encyclopedia; WP:RF). So we should probably answer these kinds of questions:
- Is it likely that the bulk of our readers would associate this term with a single topic as the bulk of sources would do the same?
- Is it an ambiguous name that our readers might encounter in reference to several topics in sources?
- --Joy (talk) 08:32, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- I couldn't find any reliable sources that call Hanshan Dequing "Silly Mountain". Googling for it shows a few dozen self-published sites and college papers, but it's not clear to me it's a common translation in literature at all. Searching for "Silly Mountain" on its own pretty exclusively brings up stuff about the Arizona mountain. Did you find sources indicating otherwise? Dylnuge (Talk • Edits) 14:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Per Steel1943 and Jay's comments, I see no issue with the proposed move of Silly Mountain (Arizona) to Silly Mountain. Either way this redirect should target that article. Dylnuge (Talk • Edits) 01:03, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Dylnuge that could just be happenstance, though. We should probably avoid focusing on editor behavior (what is currently written in Wikipedia), rather on reader behavior (what is actually out there in the real world that should be documented by an encyclopedia; WP:RF). So we should probably answer these kinds of questions:
- Retarget and add a hatnote. What matters is whether sources exist and how prevalent they are, not whether they are reliable or not. Less than a minute on google found at least 7 sources that clearly identify this as a name for Hanshan Deqing, so it's clearly something that will be searched for. However, it is also clear that the mountain in Arizona is the primary topic so we should retarget there and add a hatnote. Thryduulf (talk) 18:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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- I'm not sure why that's relevant, but obviously it can be created as a redirect to the same target when this is closed. Thryduulf (talk) 19:28, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Silly Mountain (Arizona), a title that is "Silly Mountain ([disambiguator])", and WP:PRECISE. (Didn't know that needed explanation to why it's incredibly relevant; it's de facto an issue since the base title does not exist.) Steel1943 (talk) 19:58, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure why that's relevant, but obviously it can be created as a redirect to the same target when this is closed. Thryduulf (talk) 19:28, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Move Silly Mountain (Arizona) to Silly Mountain and hatnote to the monk. Retarget Silly mountain to Silly Mountain as an alternate capitalization. Jay 💬 22:38, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Move as suggested by Jay. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:14, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Move Silly Mountain (Arizona), then Retarget there, add hatnote to Hanshan - As per above. This is the sensible solution. Reiterating that hatnotes and redirects do not require reliable sources, but merely evidence of use... non-standard names still can be found in the wild and then searched for by users, and we want to help those people as much as possible. Fieari (talk) 05:52, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Autofire
[edit]- Autofire → Turbo button (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Auto-fire → Turbo button (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Auto fire → Vehicle fire (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Ambiguous redirect, not mentioned in target article. ~Liancetalk 18:37, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. A Google search found nothing related. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:43, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget back to game controller. It's not mentioned there, but it is on several of its subarticles like joystick. —Cryptic 12:50, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Automatic firearms are most commonly referred to as simply "automatic", or at most "automatic fire", in my experience, but I'm willing to accept that some variant of "auto[- ]?fire" can refer to them in other dialects. A dab is fine by me. Turbo button shouldn't be mentioned except maybe as a label of the button on gamepads, not the 286-era clock speed button our article there is about; this is the origin of that target, and Turbo button was an extended dab including that sense from its very first edit until 2013. —Cryptic 01:22, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- retarget to Joystick where it's actually mentioned. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:08, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Someone could be looking up this redirect intending to locate Automatic firearm. Steel1943 (talk) 17:24, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Note I've added two related redirects to this discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 18:53, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig. The game controller sense is most common for me on Google but the firearms sense is most common on Wikipedia, indicating no primary topic. However all three spellings are plausible search terms for both of these, and while the vehicle fire sense seems only to be used in the two-word form it is not primary for that spelling. My very weak preference is for the disambig to be at Auto fire but it doesn't really matter as long as all three lead to it. Thryduulf (talk) 18:53, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- DABify per Thryduulf. The repeatedly hitting a game controller button sense of the word is most primary to me, but there does seem to be evidence that it is not in fact the WP:PTOPIC overall, so a disambiguation page is necessary. Fieari (talk) 23:29, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
One-up
[edit]- One-up → Life (video games)#Extra lives (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- One-Up → Life (video games)#Extra lives (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- One up → Life (video games)#Extra lives (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- One ups → The finger (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Oneupmanship should be a more appropriate target. Definition of "one-up" is "to practice oneupmanship on" per Merriam Webster. The video game term is spelled exclusively as "1-up" in the target article. "One ups" isn't even mentioned in the finger. ~Liancetalk 18:09, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Also - One Up should most likely be moved to One Up (Central Cee song) and targeted to whichever article is ultimately decided as the most appropriate by consensus. ~Liancetalk 18:31, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig. I'm not seeing any evidence of a primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 19:37, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- DABify - I don't think that the fact that "1-up" is the standard rendition means that a gamer wouldn't say or write "one up" sometimes, but Oneupmanship is equally a valid target. Where there are multiple valid targets, we disambiguate. I agree that One Up should be moved per Liance above, and then retargeted to the new DAB (which should include said song). Fieari (talk) 05:56, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Dabify per above --Lenticel (talk) 06:56, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- DAB there's clearly at least three target articles here (extra life, middle finger and oneupmanship) so a dab is suitable without a suitable primary topic. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:12, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Moravec s paradox
[edit]- Moravec s paradox → Moravec's paradox (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Replacing an apostrophe by a space seems like an WP:UNNATURAL error. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:58, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:44, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
John Biden
[edit]Tagged as a misspelling but I don't believe this to be a likely or expected typo. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:02, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - maybe not super common (and arguably, we only have a few weeks since creation of the redirect) - but it appears it is not zero, so I'd say there is no harm in keeping the redirect around since redirects are WP:CHEAP if there is no other more notable John Biden that it should point to instead. We should just tag it as non-printworth, which I'll do now. Raladic (talk) 16:10, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Not a misspelling or typo, but a misremembering of the name that gets more results than I expected. Thryduulf (talk) 19:42, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Not Joe Biden's name, not a typo, has never been misrepresented as or called "John" in his life, no mention of it in the article. Thus no justification for a redirect. Not everything on the Wikipedia can be stupid-proofed, if a reader cannot differentiate John vs. Joe, that is to low of a bar to play to. Zaathras (talk) 21:36, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Uncommon, potentially WP:BLP erroneous name that blocks Wikipedia's search function from displaying any information we may have on any actual "John Biden" subjects. Steel1943 (talk) 17:14, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete My searches don't turn up enough uses to convince me this is a common error. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 02:41, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Kondan (24°48′N 95°2′E)
[edit]- Kondan (24°48′N 95°2′E) → Tonehein Khondan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No reason for coordinates in a redirect title, and there are no sources that suggest this title will be particularly useful for navigating (i.e.: nothing actually calls the subject by its coordinate name). Bobby Cohn (talk) 15:16, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and delete all similar- there are a lot of these left over from a large disamb renaming/page moving that I did of many villages added in northern Sagaing Region. If any Myanmar villages with coordinates are still found, please ping me as I can find a more natural disamb. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 15:24, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- I came across this single instance during WP:NPP but there weren't any others listed like it in the feed. Do you happen to know where I could find a full list of these? Bobby Cohn (talk) 15:26, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- I think most of the others got approved by others during NPP. Unfortunately, I didn't save the original list. The three RMs at Talk:Al Mushayrifah (31°30′0″N 35°52′0″E)#Requested move 28 December 2023 , Talk:Hunawng (24°49"N 94°53"E)#Requested move 29 December 2023 and Talk:Panglong (23°53'0"N 98°22'0"E)#Requested move 30 December 2023 are where I got the list to go through all the Burmese villages. The late RMs got deleted, however- I think the places listed there are in my user contribution history of new pages made from 15 March to 18 March. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 16:04, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- I came across this single instance during WP:NPP but there weren't any others listed like it in the feed. Do you happen to know where I could find a full list of these? Bobby Cohn (talk) 15:26, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Vanguard Entertainment
[edit]Subject is not mentioned at the target page. IceWelder [✉] 14:59, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete not only is this not mentioned at the target (or anywhere else) the only connection between the two seems to be they both publish iOS games. The deleted history is unrelated. Thryduulf (talk) 19:50, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Moldorm
[edit]- Moldorm → List of The Legend of Zelda characters#Nightmares (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in the target article. The subject of this redirect is a "boss" enemy in several The Legend of Zelda titles, leaving there potentially no target for this redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 07:48, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect target changed. Apokrif (talk) 09:07, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- I reverted this change, considering this RFD is open. Per the edit I reverted, seems their intent was to "retarget to List of fictional worms#Video games". Steel1943 (talk) 17:09, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator comment: I oppose "retarget to List of fictional worms#Video games" since the subject of this redirect has affinity to the Legend of Zelda series, meaning readers looking up this term probably are not trying to locate an article about fictional worms. Steel1943 (talk) 17:09, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Target can be changed while the RFD is active. As the article about fictional worms is the only place where the meaning of this word is explained, it's an appropriate target. Apokrif (talk) 17:17, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- The hidden message appears with every transclusion of {{RfD}} while editing the tagged redirect: <!-- End of RFD message. Don't edit anything above here. Feel free to edit below here, but do NOT change the redirect's target. --> You literally were shown that message while you were making your edit: Changing the redirect's target for any reason not considered maintenance during an active RFD discussion is considered disruptive. Steel1943 (talk) 17:29, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- What's the point of this discussion (to which almost nobody takes part)? We can just change the redirect target like I did and call it a day. Apokrif (talk) 00:58, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Traditionally,
WP:SILENCEWP:NOQUORUM = nominator's proposal ("delete" by default), but that doesn't apply anymore since you have voiced an opinion for a retargeting option, and I don't agree with it. Steel1943 (talk) 04:33, 13 August 2024 (UTC)- Fixed the link I meant. Steel1943 (talk) 13:19, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Traditionally,
- What's the point of this discussion (to which almost nobody takes part)? We can just change the redirect target like I did and call it a day. Apokrif (talk) 00:58, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- The hidden message appears with every transclusion of {{RfD}} while editing the tagged redirect: <!-- End of RFD message. Don't edit anything above here. Feel free to edit below here, but do NOT change the redirect's target. --> You literally were shown that message while you were making your edit: Changing the redirect's target for any reason not considered maintenance during an active RFD discussion is considered disruptive. Steel1943 (talk) 17:29, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Target can be changed while the RFD is active. As the article about fictional worms is the only place where the meaning of this word is explained, it's an appropriate target. Apokrif (talk) 17:17, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete as the Moldorm boss does not originate from Link's Awakening; it first appeared in the game immediately before this one and so people looking for it are equally likely to be looking up the ALttP incarnation as the LA one. I'm not willing to Pokemon Test random LoZ bosses. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 17:01, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or Retarget per Apokrif, no strong feelings either way. I don't see what the issue with the retarget is, except that its a one-liner and not very useful. The list entry does say
Moldorm, from The Legend of Zelda and its sequels.
Jay 💬 10:30, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:22, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Feminist Perspectives on Eating Disorders
[edit]- Feminist Perspectives on Eating Disorders → Eating disorder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Feminist perspectives on eating disorders → Eating disorder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- A Feminist Perspective → Eating disorder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Otherwise, only appears to occur in references on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 19:19, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Retarget A Feminist Perspective to Jo Freeman - one of her books is entitled Women: A Feminist Perspective, which is the only exact match (including capitalization) for the term we have.Neutral on the other two. Tevildo (talk) 23:24, 14 August 2024 (UTC)- That does not seem to be exactly true, as there is also A Feminist Perspective on Virtue Ethics by Sandrine Bergès, An Introduction to the Old Testament: A Feminist Perspective by Alice L. Laffey, The Pakistan Project: A Feminist Perspective on Nation & Identity by Rubina Saigol, Educating for Peace: A Feminist Perspective by Birgit Brock-Utne (just not mentioned at the article, but could be), and a bunch of articles and essays with this WP:PTM mentioned in articles as well. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:21, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Seems like a disambiguation page filled with WP:SUBTITLEs. (I've always wondered if WP:SUBTITLE is a stronger stance than WP:PTM ... guess we will find out.) Steel1943 (talk) 15:11, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate A Feminist Perspective per the above - or, if we can't disambiguate on subtitles, retargetting it to Feminism or Feminist theory might be an alternative. But we shouldn't preserve the status quo in this case. Tevildo (talk) 07:40, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- That does not seem to be exactly true, as there is also A Feminist Perspective on Virtue Ethics by Sandrine Bergès, An Introduction to the Old Testament: A Feminist Perspective by Alice L. Laffey, The Pakistan Project: A Feminist Perspective on Nation & Identity by Rubina Saigol, Educating for Peace: A Feminist Perspective by Birgit Brock-Utne (just not mentioned at the article, but could be), and a bunch of articles and essays with this WP:PTM mentioned in articles as well. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:21, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. Disambiguating based on subtitles is silly. No one is searching for a book based on the subtitle. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:17, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Aušautas
[edit]- Aušautas → List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Ausautas → List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not seem to be mentioned on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:56, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have tagged Aušautas as an {{R from merge}}. Probably retarget Ausautas to Ausātas. Jay 💬 19:31, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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Aušlavis
[edit]- Aušlavis → List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Auslavis → List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not seem to be mentioned in any article on the English Wikipedia, though this is linked from the {{Baltic religion}} navigational template. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:59, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have tagged Aušlavis as an {{R from merge}}. Jay 💬 19:29, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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Diedievaite
[edit]- Diedievaite → List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not seem to be mentioned on the English Wikipedia. Correctly diacriticised Diedievaitė does not exist. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:02, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have tagged it as an {{R from merge}}. Jay 💬 19:23, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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Bute (mythology)
[edit]- Bute (mythology) → List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Correctly diacriticised Butė does not exist, and only mention of that spelling on the English Wikipedia is an unrelated surname at the 2019 Lithuanian presidential election article. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:04, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Bute (Greek mythology) redirects to Butes.
Bundle that here, orretarget to Butes. Jay 💬 19:18, 18 August 2024 (UTC)- I see no reason to bundle a redirect that points at its unambiguous meaning. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:09, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- You're right. Struck off the bundling part. Jay 💬 13:08, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- I see no reason to bundle a redirect that points at its unambiguous meaning. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:09, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Butes as a plausible target. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:17, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Karorius
[edit]- Karorius → List of Lithuanian gods and mythological figures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not seem to be mentioned on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:06, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have tagged it as an {{R from merge}}. Jay 💬 19:24, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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Ringie
[edit]Slang term not described at target but listed at Longtail (rat) (which is somehow not linked from the Rat article). There appears to be an unrelated meaning at Two-up, though. 1234qwer1234qwer4 19:25, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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Ǝ́
[edit]Ə is a different letter from Ǝ, but neither article mentions this diacriticised character. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:27, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
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Nerubian
[edit]- Nerubian → Gameplay of World of Warcraft (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Mentioned once in passing at Mummy (undead) and at World of Warcraft: The War Within but neither of those have enough substance to support a redirect. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:08, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Could probably be added to List of fictional arthropods if reasonable sourcing exists. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 04:58, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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Hozen
[edit]- Hozen → Gameplay of World of Warcraft (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Mentioned a few times at World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria but search is finding a number of unrelated uses so I'm not sure the fictional race is the primary topic. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:08, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Could probably be added to List of fictional primates if reasonable sourcing exists. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 04:53, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- comment would this be a good redirect for Hōzen-ji the "ji" part just means temple --Lenticel (talk) 02:51, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Hōzen-ji, this looks like the WP:PTOPIC to me. Fieari (talk) 23:35, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Hōzen-ji per my comment above --Lenticel (talk) 00:46, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Undermine (Warcraft)
[edit]- Undermine (Warcraft) → Warcraft#Azeroth (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:21, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to World of Warcraft: Cataclysm as {{r without mention}} for now; could easily be covered there. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 04:28, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's just an invitation to add more unwanted fancruft. No. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:52, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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High Council of Lordaeron
[edit]- High Council of Lordaeron → Warcraft#Azeroth (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:21, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:04, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Vashj'ir
[edit]Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:21, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to World of Warcraft: Cataclysm as {{r without mention}} for now; could easily be covered there. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 04:19, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's just an invitation to add more unwanted fancruft. No. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:52, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- It is one of a handful of primary locations introduced with the expansion. Should already be mentioned. It is not arcane cruft. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 06:01, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:05, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Blademaster (Warcraft)
[edit]- Blademaster (Warcraft) → Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The redirect doesn't have an ambiguous target and discussion of the heroes is available there, even if the blademasters isn't called out as being one such. IznoPublic (talk) 02:41, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete unless a mention is added. Readers searching this phrase will be led to nothing with the current situation. Steel1943 (talk) 16:44, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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Death Knight (Warcraft III)
[edit]- Death Knight (Warcraft III) → Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This is at least unambiguous due to the disambiguation, but the sole mention of "death knight" at the target is Now an Undead Death Knight, Arthas meets with the leader of the dreadlords, Tichondrius, who tasks him with resurrecting Kel'Thuzad
, which isn't really enough substance to support a redirect. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:02, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:06, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Adam Angligena
[edit]- Adam Angligena → Dictionary of National Biography (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
A person who was redirected to a subpage about doubtful biographies in the DNB, which itself was just merged into the Dictionary itself. It's safe to say that this redirect has been useless since around 2014. OhHaiMark (talk) 14:11, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- So, I have comments. Apocryphal biographies in the Dictionary of National Biography was not merged into Dictionary of National Biography. After surviving an AfD in 2018 at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Apocryphal biographies in the Dictionary of National Biography, where deletion had no support, an end run round process took place in 2019 with a merge notice added in July, and then the page simply redirected, five days later, by the same editor. Not very different from an out-of-process deletion, that.
- If an "Apocryphal biographies" section had been added to the DNB article, Adam Angligena could be an anchored redirect to that section. The argument has been put that the existence in the DNB of not obviously fictitious but made up people is of encyclopedic interest. I support that argument.
- The way this issue has been handled does make it unclear what to do about Adam Angligena, but that's a by-product of high-handed actions five years ago. Charles Matthews (talk) 15:09, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
OoX
[edit]- OoX → The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Misleading redirect if the intent is to refer to a game in the The Legend of Zelda series with "X" referring to a letter wild card (for this target, the respective acronyms would be "OoA" and "OoS"): This redirect could also refer to The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, which is "OoT". Steel1943 (talk) 15:53, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- results gave me... birbs and madness combat. delete cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:58, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, possibly with a hatnote. My results are a roughly equal mix of Zelda (with the term used to refer to the two titles collectively), World of Warcraft ("OOX refers to a series of mechanical chickens created by Oglethorpe Obnoticus" which might as well be written in Greek for all it means to me) and random non-notable stuff. List of airports in Ukraine#Military bases tells me OOX is the IATA code for Melitopol Air Base but that isn't mentioned in the article. I can't find any mention of the WoW meaning on Wikipedia (but someone who understands the game should check that) but the collective term for the Zelda games should be. A hatnote to the air base (and WoW if mentioned) would seem to be useful but I'm not going to lose any sleep if others disagree with that. Thryduulf (talk) 18:13, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- So ... an ambiguous redirect with no connection to either subject at its current target should ... remain with a hatnote placed at the current target? Seems nonsensical. What would make more sense would be to create a disambiguation page and deregulate the current target to a "See also" section. (I'm still in the "delete" camp, but "disambiguate" makes more sense than "keep and hatnote" here since the "keep" part just doesn't make sense.) And I'm just itching to cite WP:PANDORA and claim this opens the door for other wildcard redirects ... maybe XBC (I know there's already an article there) for ABC, NBC, etc? Steel1943 (talk) 18:39, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Extremely ambiguous with no primary topic. Let the readers type up a more specific search term or let the search function do its job. Ca talk to me! 04:05, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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- @Steel1943:
an ambiguous redirect with no connection to either subject at its current target
the redirect refers collectively to both of the games the target article is about. That's very much not "no connection to either subject". When something is ambiguous between one notable and multiple non-notable things, or where only one of the things is mentioned on Wikipedia, then redirecting to the only place we have relevant content is normal and more helpful to readers than deletion. Here the term refers to exactly three notable things, one of which is very clearly not the primary topic (the airbase) and two things which could be primary (Zelda and WoW). However we only have content about one of the latter two (Zelda) so we should redirect there. I don't object to a dab page, but Zelda would be a full entry not a see also. Thryduulf (talk) 10:52, 22 August 2024 (UTC)- even if wikipedia had those wild cards for disambiguating (like xrt and eox being dabs for the first
twofive pokémon mystery dungeon games), this redirect could refer to 3 games in a single franchise, with a disambiguator that isn't even popularly used to refer to any of them in the first place. this redirect would require leaps of logic and frivolous details bordering on gamefaqs-style fancruft to keep or dabify... for the most part, anyway. i won't argue for or against the air base cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:38, 22 August 2024 (UTC)- Except it is commonly used to refer to the games collectively. I have no knowledge about whether the Pokemon games are referred to collectively at all/in that manner, but if they are then they should be included on the relevant dab pages. Windows 3.x is not used to refer to any operating system specifically but it is used to refer to them collectively so we have a disambiguation page. Thryduulf (talk) 17:38, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- a more thorough look into the results gave me... just as little association with tloz as before. one result among a myriad of mechanical birds and... instagram usernames probably proves that usage of this wild card is too niche for wikipedia at best cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:35, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Except it is commonly used to refer to the games collectively. I have no knowledge about whether the Pokemon games are referred to collectively at all/in that manner, but if they are then they should be included on the relevant dab pages. Windows 3.x is not used to refer to any operating system specifically but it is used to refer to them collectively so we have a disambiguation page. Thryduulf (talk) 17:38, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- even if wikipedia had those wild cards for disambiguating (like xrt and eox being dabs for the first
Nominator vote update: super weak retarget to Melitopol Air Base. I verified "OOX" was the IATA code for Melitopol Air Base, and added the code to the article, as well as created the respective redirect OOX pointing towards Melitopol Air Base. However, I still prefer deletion since IATA codes are in all caps always. (Other than that, I believe I have already made my other relevant points in this discussion and am refraining from further participating in order to avoid performing a WP:BLUDGEON.) Steel1943 (talk) 17:57, 22 August 2024 (UTC)- Never mind on all that: Seems the connection between "OOX" and Melitopol Air Base is potential WP:OR per an edit that reverted something I did. Forget that then. (Still "delete" on this redirect.) Steel1943 (talk) 20:07, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
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Arakkoa
[edit]- Arakkoa → Gameplay of World of Warcraft (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Minor plot element not mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:08, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- As the creator, happy for this to die. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 23:14, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Could probably be added to List of fictional birds or one of it subsets, if reasonable sourcing exists. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 05:03, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The Arakkoa have enough sourcing for a mention, see here. I'd say it should probably be mentioned in and retargeted to World of Warcraft: Warlords of Draenor, which introduced the Spires of Arak area with a lot of Arakkoa characters, I'm just not sure where. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:19, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:09, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
V̂
[edit]- V̂ → Circumflex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- T̂ → Circumflex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- D̂ → Circumflex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No description of the character or its usage at the target; delete to encourage article creation. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:05, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
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Terrorblade
[edit]- Terrorblade → Defense of the Ancients (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:10, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Dota: Dragon's Blood as he is the primary antagonist there. --Lenticel (talk) 07:09, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Banehallow
[edit]- Banehallow → Defense of the Ancients (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:10, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
2017 PGL Open Bucharest
[edit]- 2017 PGL Open Bucharest → Dota 2#Esports (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:05, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:10, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Death Prophet
[edit]- Death Prophet → Defense of the Ancients (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:10, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Restore without prejudice to AfD or merger. Surprisingly to me this is not ambiguous, but one editor's opinion that the topic is not notable is not justification for deletion of article content - especially not when there are so many sources available that potentially indicate notability. Thryduulf (talk) 19:54, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Yabbying
[edit]a "yabby" (or cherax) is a type of crayfish, and "yabbying" refers to fishing for yabbies. was going to retarget to yabby and call it a day, but it turns out that's a dab, and there are two fish that can be referred to as "yabby", though the verb seems to refer mostly to the crayfish. opinions? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:55, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to disambiguation page. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:12, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Looting the seas
[edit]- Looting the seas → Sustainable fishery#Looting the seas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Looting the Seas → Sustainable fishery#Looting the seas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
refers to a series of journalistic investigations by the international consortium of investigative journalists on sussy stuff in the fishing scene. no longer mentioned in the target or in the icoij's article, so all we're left with is a vague term that could refer to pirates for all we know cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:05, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:12, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Priestess of the Moon
[edit]- Priestess of the Moon → Defense of the Ancients (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. And not even correct if it were - Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos is the original use, and Tyrande Whisperwind before her article was BLARed would also have been reasonable. But none of those mention it either. Maybe retarget to Moon magic or Lunar deity as a last-ditch genericization, but that's well, grabbing desperately to see if anything sticks so I would just delete. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Lunar deity. There are some works that claim Priestess of the Moon as the protagonist. Ahri Boy (talk) 01:54, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete seems apropos per nom. IznoPublic (talk) 03:00, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Enheduanna who was (high) priestess of the moon (god). The only uses of the phrase on en.wp are in relation to her. Thryduulf (talk) 11:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- The search results are almost all about the game character [1], in fact, I'm struggling to find anything not related to the game [2]. Leaning delete. If the capitalisation were different, I'd be more inclined to retarget, but it isn't, so I'm not. Cremastra (talk) 22:52, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. Enheduanna was the "priestess of the moon god Nanna", not the "priestess of the Moon". Not mentioned at Lunar deity. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:14, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Un assiolo. I think we should just let the search function do its thing for this particular search phrase --Lenticel (talk) 00:45, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
SL i-League Invitational Season 3
[edit]- SL i-League Invitational Season 3 → Dota 2#Esports (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:05, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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Esyllabus
[edit]- Esyllabus → Syllabus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Online syllabus → Syllabus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Electronic syllabus → Syllabus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Online course syllabus → Syllabus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Target currently does not mention online education. Possibly retarget to Online school or a similar target (see also the "Online education" redirects below)? 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:05, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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Notional-functional syllabus
[edit]- Notional-functional syllabus → Syllabus#Notional-functional (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Notional-Functional Syllabus → Syllabus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Functional-notional syllabus → Syllabus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Notional syllabus → Syllabus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. There is a redlink of "Functional syllabus" at Glossary of language education terms#F, though that does not mention "notional". 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:14, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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Gogaku
[edit]- Gogaku → Language education (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Kobe (gogaku) → Language education (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Other than a passing mention at National_Diet_Library#Digital_Library_from_the_Meiji_Era, search results for "Gogaku" on the English Wikipedia appear to be surnames or other unrelated topics. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:22, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per WP:RFOREIGN. Apparently, it's Japanese for "study of foreign languages; linguistics". --Un assiolo (talk) 16:27, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Chapter Two: MADMAX
[edit]Melbourne Commonwealth Games (disambiguation)
[edit]- Melbourne Commonwealth Games (disambiguation) → Melbourne Commonwealth Games (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I've converted the DAB page back into a redirect as the games are not going to happen in Melbourne - added a hatnote to the 2006 games instead. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 09:23, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Slap Pack
[edit]- Slap Pack → History of Saturday Night Live (1980–1985) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Appears to be an extremely obscure term for "Bad Boys of SNL" which is already a redirect to "History of Saturday Night Live". This redirect is obscure and unnecessary. StewdioMACK (talk) 08:11, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:28, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
-U-
[edit]Not a plausible search term for Ustaše. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 07:53, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment neither Google nor the internal search engine (nor any other search engine I'm aware of) distinguish between "-U-" and "U" so it is impossible to use them to verify how the term is used ("U" obviously being overwhelmingly more common). Thryduulf (talk) 10:31, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Implausible search term and not useful. I think this symbol may be used by Croatian neo-Nazis on the internet, but it seems unlikely that someone unfamiliar with this would see it and then look it up on the English Wikipedia. People who speak Serbo-Croatian already know what the U represents. In the unlikely scenario that an English speaker sees this and looks it up, the redirect isn't very helpful because it provides no context on the symbol itself as used in the present day. You can look up "ušato U" for the symbol this is meant to represent, which is itself a variant of the symbol seen in the infobox at Ustaše. --Un assiolo (talk) 18:09, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- I wouldn't be surprised if this gets used in some sort of Internet vernacular, could it be a plausible search term? Goodness knows fringe organization sympathisers congregate in Internet forums, so it's plausible that they may have developed this sort of a shorthand without regular people noticing, and then it might be useful to allow regular people to look this up if encountered... In general, I'd say the listing at U#Other uses probably suffices, though our search results for -U- would not be useful to find U, the reader would have to first prune the symbols manually. (BTW I noticed we also used to have =U=, but it was deleted in Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 4#=U=.) --Joy (talk) 09:26, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
,la
[edit]Doesn't add any search aid to the target, Kamala Harris. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 07:49, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: I don't see the relevance to Kamala. StewdioMACK (talk) 08:13, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Seriously? ,la → comma la → kama la → Kamala. —В²C ☎ 22:00, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, common variant of Comma la reference. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 12:58, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Common, really? Is anyone actually typing this to try and find Kamala's article? StewdioMACK (talk) 17:08, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Kamala Harris says her first name is pronounced "comma" + "la". Ca talk to me! 14:01, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep Not convinced this is the likeliest search term, but it is in use to refer to the VP (see, e.g., [3]). - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:21, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, I created it. It’s a nickname for her used on social media because she pronounces her name “comma la”, or “,la”. So someone might search for this. Plus it’s a convenient shortcut. Note that someone else created Comma la. What problem gets solved by deleting this? —-В²C ☎ 21:55, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - In use enough in the wild that someone could easily be confused by it and want to look it up, making it a plausible search term. I'm kinda surprised the Kamala Harris article doesn't have a sub-section regarding the pronunciation of her name, given that this topic has actually garnered a fair bit a media coverage and that the pronunciation of her name has been a political... thing-- deliberate mispronunciations by the opposing side to make her seem more foreign and to appeal to racists, for example. If such a section existed, I'd suggest refining to that section, but said section does not exist, so the existing target is fine. It will inform a confused searcher what it means well enough. Fieari (talk) 23:23, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Self-referencing WP:NEO WP:SEO at its finest. We really should trash this redirect, and maybe Comma la while we are at it. Steel1943 (talk) 17:07, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Fieari, B2C and Presidentman. This term is in use and people unfamilar with it will look it up on Wikipedia to find out who it is referring to and it will also be used by some people who can't remember how her name is spelled. Thryduulf (talk) 18:39, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- that's not a nickname for a politician, that's a pokémon. i'll make the unbelievably controversial vote that is weak keep. unless a source can be crammed somewhere in the article, in which case my vote can be changed to just keep. with that in mind, i found some, and will properly check them in a few minutes (3 hours) cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:19, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- took a little longer than 3 hours, but from a quick look, i found this, this, this, and no komala jokes whatsoever. politico and ap news (not listed under the abbreviated name) are apparently reliable enough per wp:rsp, and slate seems reliable enough per wp:nppsg (thanks, qoh), but i'm not an expert on yeehawland politics, so i'll leave opinions on whether or not those three are worth adding to her article to someone else. if they're determined usable, then keep. otherwise, forget the aforementioned weak keep in favor of a strong meh cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 01:53, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
1958 Independent Air Travel Vickers Viking crasb
[edit]![Delete](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/White_x_in_red_rounded_square.svg/16px-White_x_in_red_rounded_square.svg.png)
Dingle Ridge, New York
[edit]- Dingle Ridge, New York → Southeast, New York (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
non-existent town name, only google search shows up for a street name Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 04:28, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. There is also an electricity substation called "Dingle Ridge" about a mile away from the road, but neither are settlements, neither appear notable and neither are mentioned anywhere on enwp. Thryduulf (talk) 10:44, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Demonstation
[edit]This seems to be a typo of "demonstration", which is distinct from "protest" (the former is broader). However, demonstration is a dab. Maybe retarget there? Duckmather (talk) 02:06, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to the demonstration dab page. --Lenticel (talk) 09:11, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Someone may accidentally type out this redirect while trying to actually type "demon station" ... which seems to be a plausible erroneous search term for Demon FM. Steel1943 (talk) 17:10, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Remonstrance
[edit]I don't think remonstrance is a synonym for "protest" (in the sense of a political protest). From what I can tell, it seems to be more of a synonym for disagreement instead. We do have disagreement, which is a dab (although I just tagged it with {{broad-concept article}}), and disagreeing, which is a redirect to argument. Perhaps wikt:remonstrance is the best target? Duckmather (talk) 02:05, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Set index. While Remonstration also redirects to Protest, I think reverting to the disambiguation page in the redirect history (converted to a redirect by Neelix) and converting it to a set index will be better. Note there are some pages with "remonstrance" in the title that aren't included on that last disambig revision. Thryduulf (talk) 10:51, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Set index as suggested by Thryduulf. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:23, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
November 12, 2001
[edit]- November 12, 2001 → American Airlines Flight 587 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not sure if American Airlines Flight 587 is the primary topic or if this should be redirected to November 12 or 2001#November. C F A 💬 16:26, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete This doesn't seem like a plausible search term for the target. The redirect was recently created and there are no links, so I don't really see a need to retarget either. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:23, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Similar RfDs have happened in the past which resulted in one of the previously mentioned targets, November 12 or 2001#November, being the optimal choice, but I cannot recall which one at the moment nor can I find the discussion(s). Either way, do not keep. Steel1943 (talk) 22:00, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to 2001#November where there are multiple entries for that date. For some reason American Airlines Flight 587 wasn't even listed there but I have corrected that. -- Tavix (talk) 18:18, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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🎣
[edit]could likely also refer to angling, fishing rods, and fishing in general. really, the act of fishing for shits and giggles is the last possible target i'd expect cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:34, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- This is
U+1F3A3: FISHING POLE AND FISH
. Emojipedia identifies it as fishing pole. Retarget to fishing rod, which is where fishing pole points. - Eureka Lott 17:00, 27 August 2024 (UTC)- Retarget per Eureka Lott. Thryduulf (talk) 17:20, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Fishing. It's a broader target which would incorporate the "AND FISH" part of the definition. The emoji is employed when discussing fishing in general, not specifically for fishing poles. -- Tavix (talk) 18:01, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'd also be happy with this target, although it is by a very small margin second preference. Thryduulf (talk) 12:55, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: too ambiguous. Cremastra (talk) 19:39, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget per Tavix. The Unicode text definition (which is ever-stable) takes precedence over the the appearance as the latter may change and may vary wildly depending on which font group/version is rendering it. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 06:57, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Fishing per Tavix. Fieari (talk) 23:24, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Niggling
[edit]Irrelevant redirect. Niggling is a form of the verb "niggle", but in the target page, "Niggle" is the name of a character. Batrachoseps (talk) 18:11, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's very relevant. In Letter 236, Tolkien states that "niggling" was natural to him, and apologizes for it. Scholars have noted the close association of the niggling professor and Niggle the character. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:36, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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Super Mario RPG 2
[edit]- Super Mario RPG 2 → Super Mario RPG#Legacy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Super mario rpg 2 → Super Mario RPG#Legacy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Ambiguous as all get out. Between the the 2023 remake, the Paper Mario series, and the Mario & Luigi series, it is unclear what this redirect could refer to. Steel1943 (talk) 20:19, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- funny thing. this was the japanese name for paper mario during its development, a fact that is mentioned in its article. outside of that, the name is also found in certain unused rooms in that game, but that hasn't been covered yet. retarget to paper mario (video game) cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:22, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator comment: I just noticed the existence of the previous discussion in 2021, and added the old RfD list template to this discussion. For what it's worth, if I had participated in the 2021 discussion, I would have voted "delete" then as well. Steel1943 (talk) 20:29, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- to be fair, then is no longer now cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:13, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The current target explains the connection to Paper Mario and Mario & Luigi. A remake is not a sequel so I'm not convinced that the remake would be considered "Super Mario RPG 2". If others disagree, I think the solution would be to simply remove the anchor since the remake is also discussed at the same article. -- Tavix (talk) 15:53, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep per Tavix, who said basically what I would have said. Remakes aren't sequels, and Paper Mario may have been loosely connected but it really is its own thing, and the current target explains this well enough. Fieari (talk) 23:30, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Whoopsie daisy
[edit]- Whoopsie daisy → Baby talk (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Oopsie-daisy → Baby talk (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target (except in the hatnote). No other words redirect to this target and there is no list of words here (except for a few examples in the Vocabulary section). Per this article, both words are variants of Upsy daisy, which is a redirect to In the Night Garden.... Johnj1995 (talk) 21:31, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - This piece of writing on the topic is quite interesting. No great target for these at wikt:, nonetheless. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 07:28, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - I actually think the current target is appropriate. If someone wants to know what "whoopsie daisy" means, being directed to the Baby talk article is all the explanation that really needs. (Kinda wish the article had the more formal "Child directed speech" title, but that's neither here nor there...) Fieari (talk) 23:28, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Soft redirect to Wiktionary plausible search term but not related to article. Wiktionary seems appropriate -1ctinus📝🗨 01:42, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, although babies may not understand. In a perfect Wikipedia this may be redirected to Notting Hill, where Hugh Grant said it either as a scripted or unscripted word as a minor although interesting plot point. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:57, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Syracuse, Free municipal consortium of Syracuse
[edit]- Syracuse, Free municipal consortium of Syracuse → Syracuse, Sicily (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Created by a blocked user. "Free municipal consortium" phrase is not mentioned in the article. Implausible redirect. Delete. -1ctinus📝🗨 18:15, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. While the province of Syracuse has been the "free municipal consortium of Syracuse" since 2015, this does not seem like a useful redirect for navigation purposes. ----Kinu t/c 23:31, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - Implausible search term. At 9 years old, it's a good idea to check for usage to see if we're catching any external links this way, but in those 9 years, the stats page says it's gotten ZERO hits per year. Not one or two, zero (until it went up here). That just confirms the implausibility of it, and also confirms there aren't any external links we need to worry about. Fieari (talk) 01:52, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Free municipal consortium of Syracuse and Syracuse, Free municipal consortium of are plausible search terms (the correctly capitalised variants even more so), but the combination is not. Thryduulf (talk) 01:55, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Italian Second spring offensive
[edit]- Italian Second spring offensive → Italian second spring offensive (1941) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Inconsistent capitalization; I'd think capitalizing "second" but not "spring offensive" is not very plausible. Complex/Rational 17:49, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I agree this is implausible, particularly given that the stats show zero usage in the past four years. Fieari (talk) 01:54, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Doctor Who fortieth series
[edit]- Doctor Who fortieth series → Doctor Who series 14 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Seems to be an incorrect ordinal (40th instead of 14th). Not sure if there's a 40th season this could point to, so delete unless there's a clear and obvious retarget. Complex/Rational 17:45, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Series 14 was the 40th series of doctor who, and some people in the discussion on the talk page claimed they could not fing the page for lack of a redirect, so I added it Cal3000000 (talk) 17:58, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Cal, above. Fieari (talk) 01:13, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Tobacco Tax Act
[edit]No "Tobacco Tax Act" is mentioned in the article article. Created by a blocked editor. Delete. -1ctinus📝🗨 17:44, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Keep - While the exact string "Tobacco Tax Act" does not appear in the article, the article is, in very large part, about Tobacco Taxes in general. The fact that no country or region is specified means that we can't point to the Tobacco Tax act of any particular country... we'd need a disambiguator page that includes every country that has one of these things, which is likely to be most of the countries in the world, which seems a bit too much. I think this is the correct target for the term (as the WP:BROAD topic of the subject), but I'm open to other suggestions. Fieari (talk) 04:08, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- If you want to keep it (I still believe that the name is horrendously broad and sounds like a proper name despite not existing), I believe a more adequate target would be Tobacco smoking#Taxation. Cheers, -1ctinus📝🗨 13:51, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- I would not object to that target. Fieari (talk) 23:39, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- If you want to keep it (I still believe that the name is horrendously broad and sounds like a proper name despite not existing), I believe a more adequate target would be Tobacco smoking#Taxation. Cheers, -1ctinus📝🗨 13:51, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
List of cities in Clipperton Island
[edit]- List of cities in Clipperton Island → Clipperton Island#Politics and government (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Clippterton island has no cities. It is an uninhabited island. The linked section has no list of settlements. Delete. -1ctinus📝🗨 17:39, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for tagging me - I agree the topic itself doesn't exist, but to briefly explain my rationale behind creating it, there is an Template:Oceania topic "List of Cities in Oceania" which automatically populates itself with a redlink to 'List of Cities in Clipperton Island'. I wanted a way to avoid this redlink automatically appearing on dozens of pages in the template, and because I know very little about editing templates I didn't know how to exclude Clipperton Island from the list. Instead I created the redirect to the closest extant topic I could find. I'd note that Clipperton Island was formerly inhabited, and the section of the Clipperton Island page dealing with the history of these various settlements seems to be like the most helpful topic to redirect someone to if they were looking for this information (perhaps I should have linked to a different section of the page to achieve this). I'm happy if the decision is to delete the page but would request someone who knows more about templates finds a way to exclude Clipperton Island from the 'List of Cities in Oceania' template. GeorgmentO (talk) 23:05, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Useful redirect, per Georgmen0 above. I think modifying said template would be significantly more work and effort than just keeping this template in place, and it does point to the nearest concept... and would explain the lack of cities to anyone clicking on the link. Fieari (talk) 07:19, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Poffin
[edit]- Poffin → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokéblocks and Poffins (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
as with pokéblocks, it's unmentioned in the target, and only mentioned in passing in the gen 4 games' articles (diamond and pearl, platinum, and brilliant diamond and shining pearl). they seem at least a little more notable than pokéblocks, so i guess put a pin on them for a few minutes cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- took a little more than a few minutes, but i found nothing good. the one potentially almost usable thing i found turned out to be two sentences stretched to two paragraphs, completely worthless in its content, and also wrong, as it says that poffins boost stats. delete cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 23:05, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Retarget to Puffin as this was a Middle English variant according to wiktionary. I'm also fine with deletion if my proposal is too much of a stretch. --Lenticel (talk) 08:58, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:56, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Elemental Stone
[edit]- Elemental Stone → Gameplay of Pokémon#Items (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
vague as fr*ck, and not even a commonly used term cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:14, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as ambiguous. This is not just a pokemon thing, elemental stones are used all across vast swathes of fantasy works, including (but by far not limited to) the Witcher, D&D, the Fifth Element, not to mention IRL new age mysticism... no primary target, and the term isn't really notable by itself to get a disambiguation page. So delete. Fieari (talk) 01:29, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as vague --Lenticel (talk) 00:09, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
LHS 2065
[edit]LHS 2065 is not a brown dwarf. This paper states: Given the typical age of a disk Magazzu` star (a few gigayears), LHS 2065 would be a very low mass star rather than a massive brown dwarf.
I suggest retargrting to List of stars in Hydra as a better result. If this star is not in the list, an entry can be created. Actually, we can create an article about this star.}} 21 Andromedae (talk) 15:01, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- So turn it into an article, that doesn't require an RfD. It does appear notable. SevenSpheres (talk) 15:57, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
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Blaze (Pokémon)
[edit]- Blaze (Pokémon) → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokémon abilities (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
unmentioned and unimportant cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:10, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:57, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as not notable outside the franchise. I'm not sure if this ability is that notable inside the games. --Lenticel (talk) 00:11, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- it's literally only notable as a reason to dump a torchic and try to get a new one with speed boost cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:04, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Awakening Stone
[edit]- Awakening Stone → Gameplay of Pokémon#Items (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
refers to the dawn stone, which is unmentioned. not aware of any other awakening stones cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as ambiguous. My first thought when seeing this was "Awakening stone sounds extremely generic, it must be used in all kinds of fantasy works." And a quick google search confirmed... octopath traveler, "He who fights with monsters", Dawn of Gods, World of Warcraft, LINE Rangers, new age crystal mysticism, Guardian Tales... and that's just the FIRST page of google. The list goes on, and on, and on. This is not a particularly notable term in any of these works, but it is extensively used. There's no good target, and it's not notable enough for an article itself or a disambiguation page, so delete it. Fieari (talk) 01:21, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Fieari's findings --Lenticel (talk) 00:12, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Geometrical Dominator
[edit]- Geometrical Dominator → Geometry Dash (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Geometrical Dominator is a level in the game Geometry Dash. However, none of the other game levels seem to have redirects and almost none of them are mentioned at the target. Should this redirect therefore be deleted? InterstellarGamer12321 (talk | contribs) 16:54, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Implausible search term. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:57, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as too obscure and in-universe. --Lenticel (talk) 00:50, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
International Wrestling Hall of Fame
[edit]- International Wrestling Hall of Fame → National Wrestling Hall of Fame and Museum (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
While it is true that the International and U.S. Hall of Fames for amateur wrestling are in the same area, there is nothing more than a passing mention in the U.S. Hall of Fame's article. If possible, restore the original redirect at United World Wrestling. Sekundenlang (talk) 15:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
✶✶✶✶
[edit]While the flag does feature these stars, I'm not sure whether it's obviously related to the flag or whether some might relate it to star ratings. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:51, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to the dab at Four star to match ****. Thryduulf (talk) 13:07, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep The four six-pointed stars, specifically, seem to be more unique to Chicago's flag (compared to regular asterisks ****). I wondered if a mention on the dab Four star might be possible (in which case retarget would have been an option), but, as that dab isn't specific to four six-pointed stars, that would require mentioning all flags with four stars, which isn't practical for a disambiguation (or a list of them, which doesn't seem to exist). Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:00, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- The issue is whether this is a plausible search term for those looking for information about the flag of Chicago and no other topic, and it doesn't seem to be. Looking at google results for this as an exact phrase, none of the hits relate to the flag. two hits on page 3 are for the Chicago Brewhouse but the uses don't seem to relate to the flag but the star rating or decoration/emphasis/sparkle text that characterise almost all of the other uses. One hit at the bottom of page 4 is a facebook post entitled "We did it, #Chicago! ✶✶✶✶ Our city is... - Chef Rick Bayless" but I can't load the post so can't tell if the stars relate to the flag or are just decoration. The next result related to Chicago is a facebook video with the title "We did it, #Chicago! Our city is fully reopen, our staff is ..." that is almost certainly the same as the previous one - and this is in the middle of page 9. Between the two Chicago posts were two related to Maryland, two from Louisiana and one for a municipal library in Mendon, New York - all using the stars for emphasis or decoration; and many different star ratings (slightly more commonly for holiday accommodation in Austria than anything else). If this is kept though, a hatnote to the dab should be added. Thryduulf (talk) 01:42, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Using the special unicode character for this particular kind of star does limit the ambiguity considerably. Unless someone can point out another thing that four of this specific kind of star should point to, I say keep it. Fieari (talk) 01:31, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Fieari see my long comment above. The most common use of four six-pointed stars is star ratings, followed by text decoration. I can find no evidence it is commonly used in reference to the flag. Thryduulf (talk) 10:26, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Implausible search term. No one is going to enter this obscure Unicode character into the search box. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:59, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- The stats show that people do use this redirect. Whether that's by inputting it into the internal search engine or by one of the many other ways people can use to find article content is neither knowable nor relevant. Thryduulf (talk) 20:01, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- I do think delete is the least desirable option here for what it's worth. Hey man im josh (talk) 21:43, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete who is even going to type this? It's had two views per month in the past months following creation. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:54, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think many people will type this, but that's not really an issue as they can copy/paste, follow links, etc. Thryduulf (talk) 10:33, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- No preference between retain or delete. If it remains extant, it should be retargeted to Four star (the article on the flag can be listed there in some way if desired). — Godsy (TALKCONT) 14:49, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
J Tuck
[edit]As far as I'm aware, and based on some searching, Justin Tucker is not known as "J Tuck". One source for this is Pro Football Reference, which would typically list player nicknames, even obscure ones that some might argue against including. Tom Brady is a good example of this, where it shows a number of nicknames in brackets beside his full name. There's also a number of people on Tuck (surname) that would likely serve as better targets, such as Jay Tuck. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:46, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Tuck (surname). The most common hit is for a "media personality" based in Kansas City about whom we don't seem to have any content (I have not investigated whether they are notable), but it's a plausible search term for multiple people listed at the surname page. Thryduulf (talk) 13:14, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Justin Tuck or Tuck (surname). When you look up "J Tuck" on google/internet, it usually comes up with Justin Tuck. However, Tuck (surname) would also be plausible as it would possibly match 8 people with their first initial and their surname. WhyIsThisSoHard575483838 (talk) 13:45, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. None of these retargets sound plausible to me. -1ctinus📝🗨 18:12, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- What seems implausible about redirecting "J Tuck" to a list of people called "J Tuck"? Thryduulf (talk) 21:14, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Tuck (surname) as the most useful target. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:31, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Tuck (surname) and let the readers find the article that they want to go to from there. --Lenticel (talk) 00:51, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
List of pokemon items
[edit]- List of pokemon items → Gameplay of Pokémon#Items (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- List of Pokémon abilities → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokémon abilities (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- List of Pokemon abilities → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokémon abilities (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
lists not present in the target, or anywhere here. list of pokémon items has already been deleted cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:31, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:00, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
PokéFlute
[edit]- PokéFlute → Gameplay of Pokémon#Items (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Pokeflute → Gameplay of Pokémon#Items (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
used to wake snorlax-shaped things up (such as snorlax); otherwise only mentioned twice in snorlax's article, but likely not in enough depth to warrant a redirect. opinions on retargeting there? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:24, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'd support retargetting to Snorlax. The sleepy way-blocking nature of Snorlax is pretty iconic. Ca talk to me! 14:05, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Snorlax. The question I always ask when it comes to whether a redirect is worth it is, would following the redirect provide the searcher information about the subject they are searching for? And here, the answer is yes. It's not much information, but there really isn't much to say about it either, and this will provide all we have. Fieari (talk) 05:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Snorlax per Fieari. --Lenticel (talk) 06:50, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Pokémaniac
[edit]- Pokémaniac → Gameplay of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
unmentioned trainer class (give or take a mention of a guy who likes blue things in master jouneys) cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:23, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:02, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete non notable trainer class. --Lenticel (talk) 00:57, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Potion (Pokémon)
[edit]- Potion (Pokémon) → Gameplay of Pokémon#Items (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
unmentioned cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:02, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete not notable even in universe --Lenticel (talk) 06:50, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Pokémon features
[edit]- Pokémon features → Gameplay of Pokémon#Game features (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Pokemon features → Gameplay of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
vague. could refer to gameplay, as it currently does, but also to literally any other trait of pokémon games or species, or things the franchise has done collabs with cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:14, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Features of Pokémon, the games? Features of Pokémon, the television series? Features of the fictional Pokémon in the Pokémon games and television series? Yeah, no idea what this is meant to refer to. Steel1943 (talk) 17:59, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Pokémon techniques
[edit]- Pokémon techniques → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokémon moves (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Pokemon techniques → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokémon moves (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Pokémon technique → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokémon moves (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Pokemon technique → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokémon moves (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
vague. subject to differing definitions of both words, and probably unlikely to refer specifically to moves cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:10, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Not vague, actually synonymous in this case. Google confirms the usage. Fieari (talk) 04:14, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- to refer to moves each pokémon can have? because results gave me that, but also strategies each pokémon or team can run (trick room my beloved), strategies for the games as a whole, secret techniques in lgpe, "hacks", and ai slop cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:58, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete It's just too vague, at least in English, which is what this encyclopedia is. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:01, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Zxcvbnm. Steel1943 (talk) 17:57, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Riot Diet
[edit]Not mentioned at target article. DrowssapSMM 11:59, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and possibly refine. It is mentioned at Yeule#Early life and education section. There are no other uses I can find on en.wp. Thryduulf (talk) 13:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Duck technique
[edit]- Duck technique → Law of triviality#Related principles and formulations (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Atwood's duck → Law of triviality (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. I suppose the first one could refer to Rubber duck debugging? 1234qwer1234qwer4 03:04, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - A reference to part of the content removed in this edit. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 03:25, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget Atwood's duck to Battle Chess#Development and merge some of the former content there. Unfortunately, sourcing appears to be such that it is only seemingly appropriate to cover it there (maybe leave a link in the see also section) for the time being. The other term is likely vague and will remain unmentioned, but neutral in its regard. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 03:39, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Retarget Atwood's duck to Battle Chess#Development and merge some of the former content there. The law of triviality page used to have details of Atwood's duck but has since been improved to death and all the interesting details have been removed because reasons. @Godsy 's retarget would cure this. Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 11:01, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: While participants have agreed on retargeting the second redirect, there's still no agreement on what to do with the first.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 09:22, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget Atwood's duck to Battle Chess#Development per above. As for Duck technique, the 1st thing that comes to my mind is Rubber duck debugging, and I think that would be the WP:PTOPIC for that search. Fieari (talk) 02:01, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Libopenraw
[edit]- Libopenraw → Raw image format (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned anywhere on the English Wikipedia. Does not seem to be related to LibRaw or OpenRAW. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:58, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Any thoughts?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 09:13, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete this is a project that might be notable at some point in the future but doesn't immediately seem so at the moment. Regardless it isn't mentioned anywhere currently so the redirect is misleading. Thryduulf (talk) 11:14, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. If Thryduulf supports deleting a redirect, then it definitely needs to be deleted. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:04, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Opinion polling for the next Turkish parliamentary election
[edit]- Opinion polling for the next Turkish parliamentary election → Opinion polling for the 2023 Turkish general election (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Nonsense to have a redirect that constantly changes targets as per WP:ROUTINE. Jalen Folf (Bark[s]) 21:04, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Note Next election in Denmark, which as previously been discussed in an RfD. 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:32, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Next Turkish parliamentary election#Opinion polls. Redirects like this need at most one to two edits every circa five years (some of which can be/are done automatically by bot). That's a very low maintenance burden for redirects that are very useful. Thryduulf (talk) 15:01, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 09:09, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Life as we do not know it
[edit]- Life as we do not know it → Peter Ward (paleontologist)#Selected works (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Suggest this be retargeted for now to the new dab page at Life as we don't know it. The correct uppercase version for this use, Life as We Do Not Know It, doesn't exist, nor do redirects exist for any of the other works mentioned at the current target. See also previous Rfd at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2021_September_27#Life_as_We_don't_Know_It. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:30, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support I added the book to the new target into "See also" --Altenmann >talk 01:38, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as it is: None of the articles in the DAB actually make reference to the term "Life as we do not know it" (with or without contraction, with any capitalization). The article of Peter Ward at least mentions the book "Life as We Do Not Know It: The NASA Search for (and Synthesis of) Alien Life" (and redirecting "Book title" to "Book title: the subtitle" is fine) Cambalachero (talk) 03:04, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Retarget or keep?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 09:07, 3 September 2024 (UTC)- Keep per Cambalachero, and I'm honestly doubtful of that disambiguation page being actually a good idea to begin with. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:02, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support DAB - Sorry, I know this brings things back towards no-consensus, but just because an article does not contain the words "Life as we do not know it" does not mean that someone wouldn't search for the phrase intending to find something like alien life. Redirects and disambiguation pages are tools to help people find what they are looking for, and we can apply some common sense without needing all the weight of, say, the notability criteria at AfD. The book from the existing redirect is included at the proposed DAB, so someone looking for it will still find it this way. Fieari (talk) 07:23, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Palestine and Israel
[edit]- Palestine and Israel → Southern Levant (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Israel and Palestine → Palestine (region) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Another WP:XY on the same topic. At the very least, these should both likely point to the same place if they are kept. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 07:01, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Why would anyone search for "Palestine and Israel" ?--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 07:03, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Israeli–Palestinian conflict. If someone is typing both into the search bar, the conflict is what they are looking for. Fieari (talk) 07:16, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- I strongly oppose that per WP:NOTNEWS (as well as WP:DECAY) and due to the existence of other targets such as Israel–Palestine relations. Ambiguity is not a problem to be easily overlooked, unless a strong primary topic can be demonstrated (and the ambiguity is handled in other ways). If this remains extant, a more generalized target or a disambiguation page should hopefully prevail as an optimal solution. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 07:31, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- WP:NOTNEWS? The conflict in question has been ongoing for decades, nigh-centuries per the article itself... we're not exactly dealing with WP:RECENTISM here! Fieari (talk) 07:36, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- NOTNEWS in the sense that if they were not currently at war a similar argument might be made to point this at, for example, Israeli–Palestinian peace process. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 07:45, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wow, you're... optimistic... about this. Somehow, I don't see this conflict ending in the next hundred years. Saying "were they not currently at war" sounds very much like saying "were the sun not to rise tomorrow". Fieari (talk) 23:12, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- It also ignores that they are currently at war, and what we're interested in is what people are looking for now, not what they might be looking for if we lived in a different timeline or what they might be looking for at some point in the future. Even if a full and final ceasefire were declared tomorrow (I'm more optimistic than Fieari, but not that optimistic) the conflict would very likely still be high up the desired targets for some time to come. Thryduulf (talk) 01:49, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Even if a full and final ceasefire were declared tomorrow, that wouldn't be the end of the conflict in general as discussed in the article. The conflict pretty much goes on even if the shooting stops. Fieari (talk) 02:06, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- It also ignores that they are currently at war, and what we're interested in is what people are looking for now, not what they might be looking for if we lived in a different timeline or what they might be looking for at some point in the future. Even if a full and final ceasefire were declared tomorrow (I'm more optimistic than Fieari, but not that optimistic) the conflict would very likely still be high up the desired targets for some time to come. Thryduulf (talk) 01:49, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wow, you're... optimistic... about this. Somehow, I don't see this conflict ending in the next hundred years. Saying "were they not currently at war" sounds very much like saying "were the sun not to rise tomorrow". Fieari (talk) 23:12, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- NOTNEWS in the sense that if they were not currently at war a similar argument might be made to point this at, for example, Israeli–Palestinian peace process. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 07:45, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- WP:NOTNEWS? The conflict in question has been ongoing for decades, nigh-centuries per the article itself... we're not exactly dealing with WP:RECENTISM here! Fieari (talk) 07:36, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- I strongly oppose that per WP:NOTNEWS (as well as WP:DECAY) and due to the existence of other targets such as Israel–Palestine relations. Ambiguity is not a problem to be easily overlooked, unless a strong primary topic can be demonstrated (and the ambiguity is handled in other ways). If this remains extant, a more generalized target or a disambiguation page should hopefully prevail as an optimal solution. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 07:31, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget or disambiguate. These are absolutely plausible search terms, both getting hundreds of views this year, so they should be blue links. The only question is what the best target is, and at the moment I think that Israeli–Palestinian conflict is probably the best by a small margin given the current context, but Palestine (region) is not too far behind. A set index with both of those, Southern Levant, Mandatory Palestine, Israeli–Palestinian peace process and maybe other articles is also a possibility. Thryduulf (talk) 11:22, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate, they're vague terms, a reader presented with a list of articles such as those mentioned (Israeli–Palestinian conflict, Israel–Palestine relations, Israeli–Palestinian peace process, or others such as History of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict) may help lead a reader to what they are looking for. CMD (talk) 07:23, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Israeli–Palestinian conflict. Almost certainly what users typing this in are looking for. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:08, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Israel–Palestine relations or weak disambiguate. Ultimately, anyone searching for two political entities is most likely looking for the "relations" article for the two entitles. Steel1943 (talk) 18:10, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Political attack
[edit]- Political attack → Ad hominem (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Ambiguous (e.g. political violence). — Godsy (TALKCONT) 04:36, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Even outside of political violence, not all political attacks are ad hominems... rhetorically attacking someone's policies or past performance certainly would count as a political attack, and would not be ad hominems, just as an example. I feel like there might be a proper target for negative political campaigning in general, a term that's just on the tip of my tongue, but I can't find it. Deletion might be appropriate, but I'm holding out hope someone can find a better target before it comes to that. That said, I definitely agree the current target is inappropriate. Fieari (talk) 07:42, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - per reasoning above. Chuterix (talk) 09:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Negative campaigning, also the R target for Mudslinging. From my knowledge, this is the term that I hear most often when we talk about political attacks, if the term is intended to refer to negative campaigning within politics such as maybe Kier Starmer bringing up Rishi Sunak's non-dom status or Donald Trump campaigning against Hillary Clinton by raising her email controversy. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 15:58, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Ambiguous, as illustrated in the above discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 17:33, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
H:t
[edit]Pseudo-namespace redirect created 11 days ago of a type which new iterations are highly discouraged in many cases. Also, poorly formatted; H:T already exists. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 04:29, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- comment : the reason i made this redirect was as to allow for typing the h:t shortcut in all lowercase
- ? didn't know these were discouraged- would you mind elaborating ?
- akizet talk 06:21, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Akizet: See, primarily, WP:CNR;
Currently, the general consensus seems to be that most newly created cross-namespace redirects from the main namespace to the project namespace should be deleted, while very old ones [should likely be retained for various reasons (including the potential existence of external links]
. Secondly, see WP:SHORT; it is very rare for a shortcut to be uncapitalized. Lastly, and I genuinely mean this in a lighthearted and jovial way (the copyeditor portion of my mind won the argument of whether or not to say this), shift key might be a good read. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 06:39, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- i see · then i support removing the redirect
- re shift key : i mostly type in all lowercase ( see orthography usersubpage ( hence i thought it'd be weird to have a random uppercase letter in the wikitext · typing it as ` help:template ` works too though so i guess moot point
- akizet talk 16:30, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Are you sure caps lock might not be a better read? mwwv converse∫edits 13:13, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Akizet: See, primarily, WP:CNR;
- Delete, we shouldn't create redirects for a user just so they can continue to use some weird typing quirk. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:52, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 00:58, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Palestine Israel
[edit]- Palestine Israel → Israeli–Palestinian conflict (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Israel Palestine → Israeli–Palestinian conflict (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Classic WP:XY. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 04:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - I don't know that WP:XY fits here. Someone typing both Israel and Palestine into the search box, in whichever order, is almost certainly looking for information on the conflict. I'm willing to be convinced otherwise, but this seems like the appropriate target to me. Fieari (talk) 06:51, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Idk what it even means? Do we have any actual data on how many people use that as a search term? And then, if they do, where they go afterwards? Selfstudier (talk) 09:54, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Both were created too recently to have truly reliable usage figures, but they got 10 and 17 hits between creation on 22nd August and yesterday, which suggests that they are plausible search terms (but note that almost all redirects get above typical views in the first circa 2-4 days after creation (I guess due to new page patrolers and similar) and significantly more than typical views during and just after being listed at RfD). Everybody who views a redirect goes to the redirect target, I don't think that where they go after that is tracked and all such data that does exist is only released for large volumes of people and (iirc) aggregated by complete calendar month (all for privacy reasons) so wouldn't be useful here. Thryduulf (talk) 11:32, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Do the same as with #Palestine and Israel. I can't see any reason why people would be expecting different things with or without the "and". Thryduulf (talk) 11:32, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree with that; the inclusion/exclusion of "and" makes all the difference. Steel1943 (talk) 18:26, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep (disclaimer: creator of both); same reasoning as Fieari and backed by data from Thryduulf; plus WP:XY does state that in some cases redirects should
point to a location in which both topics are discussed
. This is the closest to a perfect target we can get anyways. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 15:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep both. Highly plausible search terms. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:22, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete this is an example on WP:XY, search results would be better here as who knows what specific page they would be looking for. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:50, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- XY is not a reason to delete when we have content that deals with both X and Y (the combination, interaction or intersection), which we do in this case. When it's not clear which of multiple possible articles someone is looking for we use disambiguation and set indexes. Thryduulf (talk) 10:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:XY. Israel is not Palestine, and Palestine is not Israel. The lack of any conjunctions separating the two words make these confusing redirects at best, harmful redirecting anywhere at worst. Steel1943 (talk) 18:26, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Semi-palindrome
[edit]- Semi-palindrome → Palindrome (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Half-palindrome → Palindrome (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Anadrome mentions "semi-palindrome" as an "explanation" for the "semordnilap" entry, though that's not exactly helpful. As far as I understand, "anadrome" refers to single-word "semordnilaps" (or "semi-palindromes"), although the very first sentence of that article is tagged with {{cn}}. 1234qwer1234qwer4 03:49, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Google informs me that both semi- and half-palindromes refer to a word or phrase that, when spelled backwards, results in a DIFFERENT but valid word or phrase in the same language... with anadromes not really being the same thing. By this definition, semi/half-palindromes seem like a pretty cool concept, and one that might even be worthy of an article or subsection within the palindrome article... except that google ALSO informs me the semi-palindromes refer to a word in which only PART of the word is a palindrome, with another part having to be excluded to make the palindrome work... "semordnilaps" (with the s on the end) would be an example thereof, since the final "s" must be excluded to make the anadrome work. This would ALSO be a worthy mention in the palindrome article... if we could find a good solid WP:RS to cite it. All the sources I just found are insufficiently reliable, and of course, are divided between which definition they use. Fieari (talk) 07:29, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Twofold rotational symmetry
[edit]- Twofold rotational symmetry → Palindrome (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The target does not even mention rotational symmetry. Just retargeting to Rotational symmetry would be my suggestion. 1234qwer1234qwer4 03:33, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Rotational symmetry, where this term is explicitly defined and discussed. Palindromes do not really fit the definition, except in a very abstract way. Fieari (talk) 07:32, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment This page was originally redirected based on the answer to a specific question in one of Stanford's quiz bowl packets. The page no longer exists and I can't find the original packet and specific question, but if I redirected it to palindrome, the question must have been about words that can be rotated into the same word or something like that. If it has other uses beyond that, there's no reason not to redirect it somewhere else, especially if that page already has a section on the topic since the whole idea of a redirect is to send someone where they can find the information they're looking for when a certain topic doesn't have a standalone article. Some of the packets still exist on the wayback machine and I could probably find the specific packet if anyone really want to know, but otherwise, it's just not worth the effort right now. Sesamehoneytart 06:38, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Levidrome
[edit]- Levidrome → Palindrome#Semordnilap (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention at target; retargeting to Lucky_Budd#Career is an option though the target provides no explanation, which does exist on Wiktionary at wikt:levidrome. The concept appears to be covered by Anadrome, though, but without a mention. See also Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Levidrome and Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 May 16#Semordnilap (it seems that "semordnilap" could now also be redirected to the anadrome article?). 1234qwer1234qwer4 03:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment this WAS mentioned at the target when the redirect was finalized back in 2020. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 22:37, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Anadrome, and can be mentioned in a paragraph there. It's still weird that Anadrome was even created separate from palindrome when anadrome has even less coverage than levidrome. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 22:40, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Anadrome now that it's mentioned there. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:29, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Alexadrome
[edit]- Alexadrome → Palindrome (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 03:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete – searching this exact word up on Google in quotation marks pulls up pretty much nothing of note anywhere, so I don't see a viable target. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 04:36, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - In addition to the above, I also searched google for "+palin +alexa" to see if there was some meme or confluence between the two terms in some way, and came up with nothing of note. Does not appear to be a thing. Fieari (talk) 07:02, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per the above editors' findings --Lenticel (talk) 00:59, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Canon Deutschland
[edit]- Canon Deutschland → Canon Inc. (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This German subsidiary of Canon is not mentioned at the target and does not to be mentioned anywhere on the English Wikipedia apart from two external links either. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:39, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:30, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. A German subsidiary of a major company with little information covered on its target page is not a reason alone to be a redirect InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 13:59, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Punk opera
[edit]- Punk opera → Rock opera (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Brief mention in relation to a particular work, but the genre itself is not described within the article. Any thoughts or better target suggestions? — Godsy (TALKCONT) 00:52, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- I googled it, and all the results are for punk rock opera, and not punk opera for some reason. See this: https://www.treblezine.com/24712-10-essential-punk-rock-operas/
- Perhaps we change the name to punk rock opera? Moline1 (talk) 02:22, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
World's rarest butterfly
[edit]- World's rarest butterfly → Actinote zikani (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unmentioned in this form. 'Rarest' is somewhat vague. WP:NOTTRIVIA. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 00:41, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Search term appears to be accurate, both in terms of global population, and also in terms of the size of the area of their habitat. The article itself mentions that Parides burchellanus is also extremely endangered, but it appears that the population and habitat area of the latter is slightly larger in both cases. While I wouldn't say that the article itself should state that it is the "world's rarest butterfly" (at least not without a WP:RS using those exact words) a redirect is far less user facing and so it should be harmless to keep this redirect, given that it does appear to be true. Fieari (talk) 07:11, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Fieari: I would disagree in regard to the harmlessness. If a reader stumbles upon this when searching or types this in and arrives here, etc., it is harmful if it is not true. If it would not be appropriate to say something in an article, many times it should also not be said in a redirect. However, I would still have (albeit much smaller) qualms if it were sourced and mentioned due to the phrasing and nature of this page title (per the spirit of the NOT policy I mentioned earlier and the potential vagueness of 'rare'). As far as I can tell, there are not any other article titles or redirects that begin with "world's rarest". — Godsy (TALKCONT) 07:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete "World's rarest butterfly" is quite hard to measure, and not something we should state with the level of confidence to literally make it as a redirect. "Appears to be true" isn't the level of confidence we need to redirect users searching it to this page. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 08:51, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Neutral as redirect maker, as it is technically true, but is probably peacockery on my part at best. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 15:15, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, as even if it is true, it does seem to be solely peacockery, and it doesn't seem to be a somewhat notable title in itself the same way as World's tallest building. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 15:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete these kind of redirects are likely implausable and hard to measure. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:26, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete we shouldn't have redirects based on Google search type terms, especially when hard to judge like this. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:48, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- We absolutely should have redirects based on terms like this when we have relevant verifiable content to target. This will help people who use these very plausible search terms both here and on third-party search engines. Thryduulf (talk) 10:29, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- unfortunately, the answer to "when" in this case is "not this time lmao". the target never directly refers to it as the "rarest" or "most endangered" butterfly in the world, and the world's 100 most threatened species only lists its population as "uh idk" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:36, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- We absolutely should have redirects based on terms like this when we have relevant verifiable content to target. This will help people who use these very plausible search terms both here and on third-party search engines. Thryduulf (talk) 10:29, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Gamer mosley
[edit]- Gamer mosley → Oswald Mosley (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Gamer Mosley → Oswald Mosley (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I don't know what this 20th century fascist has to do with gaming culture unless it is some 4chan reference. If someone can uncover a reasonable explanation for the relationship between these terms, I'll happily withdraw this RFD. Redirects created by new editor blocked for racism. Liz Read! Talk! 00:25, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and salt A Google search for the title confirms that it's an attempt to make a disgraced fascist look cool in the gaming community and clearly an attempt to use a 'more innocent facist' to avoid the usual blocks of content involving Naziism; see this where someone pretty much admits to modding Hearts of Iron IV game to 'fix a mistake' where Mr. Mosley was portrayed in a historically appropriate (and negative) light. We don't need to entertain this as serious. Nate • (chatter) 01:12, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and salt per MrSchimpf. DrowssapSMM 12:29, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and salt per others - assuming that "salting" means nothing will grow there again. Mr.choppers | ✎ 01:56, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and salt - Yes, Mr.choppers, that's exactly what it means. Or more to the point, it means protecting it so that no new page of any sort can ever be created there again (without prior admin approval). Fieari (talk) 04:12, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and salt per above and WP:NOTPROMO --Lenticel (talk) 00:14, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't have that strong a view on deletion or not because I'm unsure if this a plausible/useful redirect at all, but the idea it should be salted because of associations with misinformation is a poor one. If someone comes across this 'Gamer Mosley' would we not want them to stumble upon our article? What is the harm in someone who came across 'Gamer Mosley' getting directed to Oswald Mosley? Either they would have had their mind made up already or they will learn something new and reconsider what they read elsewhere. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and Salt. No reasonable relationship exists, and based on the user's previous edits and ANI section, seems to be only an attempt to perpetuate or inappropriately humorify/whitewash Nazism and a main figure in it. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 14:03, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Great Dark
[edit]Mentioned once in passing at the target and seems to refer to unrelated topics as well. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:21, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- delete this one as vague; no opinion on the others. could refer to the great dark pit of tarrare's mouth for all we know cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:42, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- comment would it be a good redirect to the Great Dark Spot or is that too much of a partial title match? --Lenticel (talk) 01:28, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:31, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - While Great Dark Spot would not violate the principle of WP:LEAST astonishment (I wouldn't be shocked to find myself ending up there)... I think someone searching for "Great Dark" is probably looking for something from a fantasy world or poetry. The trouble is, I have the feeling that Great Dark is a term used by multiple works... maybe Warcraft is the WP:PTOPIC, but I'm not sure. Mark Twain even wrote a work by this title. This is a pickle. Put a gun to my head and make me choose right now, I'd lean towards Great Dark Spot, but I'd really like to see some more voices chime in on this one. Fieari (talk) 00:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak delete. I'm not enamoured with Great Dark Spot as a target, as it doesn't seem to be referred to as such except occasionally when contrasting with other spots on Neptune. Great Dark Horde exists but that seems to be shortened to "Dark Horde" rather than "Great Dark" so wouldn't make a better target. While there are at least two or three uses in fiction, none of them are mentioned on Wikipedia that I can find, nor do we have any mention of works for which this would be anything other than a very partial title match. Thryduulf (talk) 09:52, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Sony ARW 1.0
[edit]- Sony ARW 1.0 → Raw image format#ARW 1.0 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Sony ARW 2.0 → Raw image format#ARW 2.0 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Sony ARW 2.1 → Raw image format#ARW 2.1 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Sony ARW 2.2 → Raw image format#ARW 2.2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Sony ARW 2.3 → Raw image format#ARW 2.3 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Sony ARW 2.3.0 → Raw image format#ARW 2.3.0 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Sony ARW 2.3.1 → Raw image format#ARW 2.3.1 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Sony ARW 2.3.2 → Raw image format#ARW 2.3.2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- ARW 1.0 → Raw image format#ARW 1.0 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- ARW 2.0 → Raw image format#ARW 2.0 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- ARW 2.1 → Raw image format#ARW 2.1 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- ARW 2.2 → Raw image format#ARW 2.2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- ARW 2.3 → Raw image format#ARW 2.3 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- ARW 2.3.0 → Raw image format#ARW 2.3.0 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- ARW 2.3.1 → Raw image format#ARW 2.3.1 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- ARW 2.3.2 → Raw image format#ARW 2.3.2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The target page no longer describes any versions of this particular raw image format (and it would probably be WP:UNDUE to do so). There are some mentions at List of cameras supporting a raw format. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:18, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:30, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Redirecting to the list would be useless as it only tells the reader that the format exists (which they already knew, having entered it into the search box). --Un assiolo (talk) 14:34, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Pajeetland
[edit]![Delete](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/White_x_in_red_rounded_square.svg/16px-White_x_in_red_rounded_square.svg.png)
Blaxploitation (music genre)
[edit]- Blaxploitation (music genre) → Funk (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This was an article that got redirected by Binksternet, but the redirect as is doesn't make much sense; ideally there would be a "music" section at blaxploitation, or even a full Music of Blaxploitation films article, but neither of those exist. Mach61 20:34, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Blaxsploitation is not an acknowledged music genre even though it is certainly a film genre. The AllMusic source labels the film genre as blaxsploitation but just describes the associated music as funk or funk-based mixes that may be "richer and more diverse" than just funk. It would be fine to have a music paragraph in the Blaxsploitation article, and the redirect can aim at that paragraph. Binksternet (talk) 20:50, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- I would support Retargeting to a new section of Blaxsploitation briefly discussing the music of said films, but without said section, this would be better of Deleted, given that we don't currently have any information on the subject that a hypothetical searcher would be looking for. If we do delete, and later the section is created, no prejudice against recreating this as a redirect to the new section at that time. Fieari (talk) 05:39, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget or Restore without prejudice to merging or AFD. One editor's opinion that the sourced content is misleading is not enough for deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 09:58, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Restore and send to AfD. I think this won't survive afd but I'm not that familiar with the genre to vote for an outright deletion. Note that the creator of this article was indef blocked. --Lenticel (talk) 08:54, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Stage 1 Pokémon
[edit]- Stage 1 Pokémon → Gameplay of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Stage 1 Pokemon → Gameplay of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Stage 2 Pokémon → Gameplay of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Stage 2 Pokemon → Gameplay of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
refers to evolutionary stages. as an example, popplio is stage 1, brionne is stage 2, and primarina is... why is there no stage 3 redirect? the terminology is sort of mentioned in the target (under breeding), but not in a way that would help those redirects cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:17, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to Pokémon Trading Card Game#Card types as the only Pokémon-based subject where I believe this terminology is used. Steel1943 (talk) 17:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Changing my stance to "weak" after locating (and remembering) the discussion I found below. Steel1943 (talk) 18:01, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- "used" it is. relatively commonly, for that matter. it's just in that weird limbo of not being properly mentioned outside of the tcg, and not well-covered enough to warrant being mentioned in depth. a lot of pokémon-related stuff falls in that limbo, it's painful cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 23:13, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: The discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 December 3#List of Pokemon by Stage, a discussion I found while researching why these nominated redirects existed, may be relevant ... which, ironically, is a discussion I opened in 2019 that I completely forgot about until now. Steel1943 (talk) 17:56, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Pokemon Strategy
[edit]- Pokemon Strategy → Gameplay of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
as in strategies for playing pokémon games? strategies for using each pokémon? a theoretical pokémon game called pokémon strategy? was originally a pile of fancruft so horribly wrong i'd almost consider it grounds for speedy deletion cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:16, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as vague --Lenticel (talk) 00:04, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Pokémon Contests
[edit]- Pokémon Contests → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokémon contests (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Pokémon Contest → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokémon contests (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Pokemon Contest → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokémon contests (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Pokémon contest → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokémon contests (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Pokemon contest → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokémon contests (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
unmentioned in the target, only mentioned in passing in some other articles cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:08, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:36, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Pokémon coordinator
[edit]- Pokémon coordinator → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokémon contests (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
a little vague. the intended meaning isn't in the target, and this isn't important to that meaning cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:07, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:37, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Razor leaf
[edit]- Razor leaf → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokémon moves (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
unmentioned move cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:05, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete decent grass move in the games but better off served in a fandom wikia or bulbapedia. --Lenticel (talk) 00:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Dasychira (musician)#Singles, where Razor Leaf is listed. As far as I can tell, this isn't a botanical term. Thryduulf (talk) 10:01, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm also fine with the Retarget --Lenticel (talk) 08:50, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Pokemon Directory
[edit]- Pokemon Directory → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokédex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Pokémon directory → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokédex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
previously nominated and retargeted, despite notdirectory. the pokédex isn't much of a traditional directory either cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:00, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per the consensus of the previous RfD that this is a good description of and plausible synonym for the target. I don't understand how WP:NOTDIRECTORY is relevant. Thryduulf (talk) 10:03, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Shiny Pikachu
[edit]- Shiny Pikachu → Gameplay of Pokémon#Shiny Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
admittedly being a little too bold here, but shiny pikachu isn't mentioned, and has one of the least notable "barely different" shinies cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:56, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I cannot find any notable mentions of shiny Pikachu's. Compare this to the shiny Gyarados which has a referenced mention in Magikarp and Gyarados. --Lenticel (talk) 08:45, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Pokémon-Amie
[edit]- Pokémon-Amie → Gameplay of Pokémon#Affection (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Pokémon-amie → Gameplay of Pokémon#Affection (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
mentioned in passing in pokémon x and y, but overall not that notable outside of evolving eevee into sylveon... then again, it's not mentioned in eevee cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:50, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Pokémon X and Y. Also, is "pokémon twitter and y" a joke or the result of a text replacement plugin? If the latter, you should disable it while editing Wikipedia. Raymond1922 (talk) 23:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- you saw nothing cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 23:36, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
List of Pokemon moves
[edit]- List of Pokemon moves → Gameplay of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
not present in the target cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:47, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Better off in a pokemon fandom or bulbapedia. --Lenticel (talk) 00:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
GS Ball
[edit]- GS Ball → Gameplay of Pokémon#Poké Ball (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
surprisingly not mentioned, even in celebi's section of the list of gen 2 pokémon cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:43, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom but I won't mind a weak retarget to Pokémon: The Johto Journeys where it is mentioned in a couple of episodes. --Lenticel (talk) 00:19, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Pokétchi
[edit]- Pokétchi → Gameplay of Pokémon#Items (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Poketchi → Gameplay of Pokémon#Items (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
only mentioned in passing in dp and pt, with its western name (which is missing the i) cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:28, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:39, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
PKRS
[edit]short for pokérus, but could it also be confused with pokémon ruby and sapphire? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:26, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as ambiguous, and a disambiguator would not be appropriate. Fieari (talk) 06:46, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig, which I've drafted below the redirect. In terms of Pokemon though, it appears to be unambiguous as I can't find any uses in that context meaning anything other than pokerus. Thryduulf (talk) 10:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Dabify per Thryduulf --Lenticel (talk) 00:20, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Powerpointy
[edit]- Powerpointy → Microsoft PowerPoint (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
refers to an adjective that is unmentioned in the target, or anywhere else cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:16, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Harmless, unambiguous target. No need for the exact word to be mentioned in the article, we have redirects of other grammatical forms of words all the time. Fieari (talk) 06:44, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Fieari. Thryduulf (talk) 10:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per above I think we can either tag this as R from adjective or R from misspelling --Lenticel (talk) 08:37, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Microsoft® PowerPoint® Microsoft 365 için
[edit]- Microsoft® PowerPoint® Microsoft 365 için → Microsoft PowerPoint (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
apparently a link from turkish commons, but what's it doing here? and also, what is için supposed to mean in this context? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:11, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. I would expect something like this to be a {{R from file metadata}} but I can't find any evidence that it is used in that (or indeed any other) way. Based on Wiktionary and Google translate, "için" can be translated as "for" so this very likely translates as "Microsoft PowerPoint for Microsoft 365". In English that might be a useful redirect (if we have relevant content, I haven't looked) but WP:RFOREIGN applies as none of Microsoft, Powerpoint or Microsoft 365 have any particular affinity to Turkish. Thryduulf (talk) 10:26, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- I would vote delete per WP:RLOTE unless
link from Turkish Wikimedia Commons
from the summary can be explained 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:10, 3 September 2024 (UTC) - Delete. Besides the WP:FORRED issue with the final word of the redirect, the redirect contains a good amount of characters that are not traditionally present on an English keyboard, including the repeat use of the registered trademark symbol ... meaning this as a search term is highly implausible anyways. Steel1943 (talk) 18:51, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 08:47, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Power Points
[edit]- Power Points → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokémon moves (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
uh, it's... mentioned. i guess. still vague. should it be retargeted to power point (disambiguation) or something, or is it fine as is? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:06, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to the dab page. I think it might be a potential synonym to magic points. --Lenticel (talk) 00:10, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to the dab page, I suspect that multiple slideshow presentations is the most common meaning. Thryduulf (talk) 10:27, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to dab. This won't be controversial, I think. Fieari (talk) 05:19, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Berry Blender
[edit]- Berry Blender → Gameplay of Pokémon#Items (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Berry blender → Gameplay of Pokémon#Items (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
unmentioned cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:53, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete gameplay item that isn't notable outside the franchise. --Lenticel (talk) 08:48, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Monster Stack No-Limit Hold'em
[edit]- Monster Stack No-Limit Hold'em → Pedro Neves (poker player)#,500 Monster Stack No-Limit Hold'em (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unlikely redirect target; this is not what redirects are for. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 17:46, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:40, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Monster Stack No-Limit Hold'em
[edit]- Monster Stack No-Limit Hold'em → Pedro Neves (poker player)#,500 Monster Stack No-Limit Hold'em (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unlikely redirect target; this is not what redirects are for. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 17:45, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:40, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Mini Super Turbo Bounty Freezeout
[edit]- Mini Super Turbo Bounty Freezeout → Peter Park (poker player)#,000 Mini Super Turbo Bounty Freezeout (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not a likely redirect target; this is not what redirects are for. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 17:45, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:41, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Mini Super Turbo Bounty Freezeout (Second Chance)
[edit]- Mini Super Turbo Bounty Freezeout (Second Chance) → Peter Park (poker player)#,000 + 500 No Limit Hold'em - Super Turbo Bounty (Bracelet Event #51) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not a likely redirect target; this is not what redirects are for. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 17:44, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Note: these should have been nominated together. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:41, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Stephen Winters
[edit]- Stephen Winters → $300 Gladiators of Poker No-Limit Hold'em#2024 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unlikely target for redirect, this is not what redirects are for. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 17:40, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. They are mentioned in a few places on Wikipedia, but this is the most substantial by far and there is nobody with this name who is more notable. Thryduulf (talk) 10:57, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Jason Simon (poker player)
[edit]- Jason Simon (poker player) → $300 Gladiators of Poker No-Limit Hold'em#2023 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unlikely redirect target, this is not what redirects are for. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 17:40, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and add a link at Jason Simon. There is content about them here so this is a good use of a redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 10:59, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Millionaire Maker No-Limit Hold'em
[edit]- Millionaire Maker No-Limit Hold'em → Franco Spitale#,500 Millionaire Maker No-Limit Hold'em (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unlikely redirect target BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 17:37, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:42, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Super Turbo Bounty No-Limit Hold'em Freezeout
[edit]- Super Turbo Bounty No-Limit Hold'em Freezeout → Frank Funaro (poker player)#0,000 Super Turbo Bounty No-Limit Hold'em Freezeout (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not a likely target for redirect. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 17:34, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:42, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Thibault Perissat
[edit]- Thibault Perissat → Peter Park (poker player)#Outright (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not a likely needed redirect BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 17:33, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - Looks like the article it's pointing to is about to get deleted for non-notability, and this name within that article is even less notable than that, so... Fieari (talk) 05:21, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Sea incense
[edit]- Sea incense → Gameplay of Pokémon#Items (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
unmentioned cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:27, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Not mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia. Thryduulf (talk) 11:01, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
pokéblock(s)
[edit]- Pokéblock → Gameplay of Pokémon#Items (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Pokeblock → Gameplay of Pokémon#Items (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Pokeblocks → Gameplay of Pokémon#Items (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
mentioned in passing in ruby and sapphire, but really not important or notable overall cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:12, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:43, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Go-goggles
[edit]- Go-goggles → Gameplay of Pokémon#Items (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
unmentioned, unimportant, and unnotable, but... surprisingly not vague cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:11, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:44, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Devon Scope
[edit]- Devon Scope → Gameplay of Pokémon#Items (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
unmentioned cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:08, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:44, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
History of Perugia (disambiguation)
[edit]![Delete](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/White_x_in_red_rounded_square.svg/16px-White_x_in_red_rounded_square.svg.png)
Türkiye (bird)
[edit]- Türkiye (bird) → Turkey (bird) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The bird is not spelled "Türkiye", and animals named for countries don't necessarily have their name changed to follow the name of the country (Siamese cat, Abyssinian cat, Burmese python). Plantdrew (talk) 14:37, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Dëletye. Pointless, implausible, misleading. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:30, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak dëletye as potentially useful but very unlikely and possibly confusing. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:52, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 00:12, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as a misspelling/misnomer. I have found at least one non-joking use [4] in less than 5 minutes searching so there are probably more. Thryduulf (talk) 11:10, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:46, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Nigerian Agip Oil Company
[edit]The NAOC company is owned by Oando PLC since 2024, so Agip has nothing to do with the NAOC company. It should be redirected to the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oando . Svetlana Orlova 1987 (talk) 12:52, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:12, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Primeiro de Agosto Men's Basketball Past Squads
[edit]- Primeiro de Agosto Men's Basketball Past Squads → List of C.D. Primeiro de Agosto women's basketball players (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete. Though this comes from a page move, it violates the WP:RFD#DELETE criteria 2 and 5 - as it is confusing and makes no sense to redirect men to women. Geschichte (talk) 08:12, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Tharsult
[edit]No mention anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:15, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Faerûn. BOZ (talk) 17:46, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Faerûn. Daranios (talk) 06:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- No objections now that it is mentioned. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Secomber
[edit]No mention anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:14, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Faerûn. BOZ (talk) 17:46, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Faerûn. Daranios (talk) 06:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- No objections now that it is mentioned. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Daggerford
[edit]- Daggerford → Forgotten Realms (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target, but is in multiple other articles, including Neverwinter Nights: Darkness over Daggerford. 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:13, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Faerûn. BOZ (talk) 17:46, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Faerûn. Daranios (talk) 06:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Northkeep
[edit]No mention anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:56, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Faerûn. BOZ (talk) 17:46, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Faerûn. Daranios (talk) 06:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- No objections now that it is mentioned. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Miyeritar
[edit]- Miyeritar → Forgotten Realms (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Ilythiir → Forgotten Realms (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Alternatives would be Drow#In_the_Forgotten_Realms and Elf_(Dungeons_&_Dragons)#Forgotten_Realms. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:52, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Faerûn. BOZ (talk) 17:49, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Faerûn. Daranios (talk) 06:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Shaar
[edit]Not mentioned at target. Note also Shaar (surname). 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:41, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Faerûn, which currently seems the best central target to me. Daranios (talk) 15:04, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Faerûn. BOZ (talk) 17:46, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Is the D&D topic actually more relevant than the surname? 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- If necessary, the edit history can be moved to Shaar (Forgotten Realms) and retargeted, while Shaar can become a disabmiguation page? BOZ (talk) 18:52, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, I don't think the fictional region is more important than the surname. So shifting this to Shaar (Forgotten Realms), and disambiguating in some form or other is fine with me. Daranios (talk) 18:58, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- If necessary, the edit history can be moved to Shaar (Forgotten Realms) and retargeted, while Shaar can become a disabmiguation page? BOZ (talk) 18:52, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Is the D&D topic actually more relevant than the surname? 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Move Shaar (surname) to Shaar as the clear primary topic when comparing the surname and D&D subjects. No objection to creating Shaar (Forgotten Realms) (though it would probably make more sense to create Shaar (Dungeons & Dragons) due to the parent topic/subtopic association) and/or placing a hatnote on the surname article referring to the D&D subject. (In other words, I do not believe we are at a point yet to create a disambiguation page for "Shaar"; putting a hatnote on the surname page is probably the best way to go about disambiguating for the time being.) Steel1943 (talk) 19:10, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Move Shaar (surname) to Shaar per Steel1943. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:47, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Cormyr
[edit]Not mentioned at target, but apparently lots of mentions elsewhere. Additionally, there are Cormyr: A Novel and Cormyr: The Tearing of the Weave. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:38, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate and have link to the two pages you mentioned rather than redirecting to Forgotten Realms. 🔹Blue (talk/contribs) 11:44, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate and include a link to Faerûn for coverage of the fictional country. Daranios (talk) 15:05, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Faerûn. BOZ (talk) 17:46, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. WP:NOPRIMARY. Steel1943 (talk) 19:14, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Moving the edit history to Cormyr (fictional country) with a retarget and then disambiguating the original name seems like it would make sense. BOZ (talk) 19:52, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Sharindlar
[edit]- Sharindlar → Forgotten Realms#Religion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Faerûn. BOZ (talk) 18:09, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Faerûn#Religion. Daranios (talk) 06:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- No objections now that it is mentioned. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Hakiyah
[edit]- Hakiyah → Forgotten Realms#Religion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:28, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Al-Qadim. BOZ (talk) 17:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Al-Qadim#Important concepts, where they appear now. Daranios (talk) 06:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- No objections now that it is mentioned. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:09, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Jisan
[edit]- Jisan → Forgotten Realms#Religion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target, but there are Jisan station, Jisan Valley Rock Festival, Numbers_(South_Korean_TV_series)#Jisan_Bank and potentially others. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:27, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Al-Qadim. BOZ (talk) 17:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Al-Qadim#Important concepts, where she appears now. Daranios (talk) 06:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Should there at least be a hatnote or something for the potential alternative meanings? 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:09, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not quite sure what's best in this case. Like for Shaar, I don't believe the fictional deity is more relevant than the real-world appearances of the name, but from the listed examples it is the only instance where the name appears alone without further qualifier or something. So creating a Jisan (disambiguation) could be a solution, but on purely esthecial grounds I am not too keen on adding a hatnote to an article/section which refers "only" to one term within the paragraph. So I would also be fine with making Jisan a disambiguation page and shifting the current one to Jisan (Al-Qadim). Daranios (talk) 19:05, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm find with moving the edit history as suggested with a retarget and then creating a disambiguation page if necessary. BOZ (talk) 19:53, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not quite sure what's best in this case. Like for Shaar, I don't believe the fictional deity is more relevant than the real-world appearances of the name, but from the listed examples it is the only instance where the name appears alone without further qualifier or something. So creating a Jisan (disambiguation) could be a solution, but on purely esthecial grounds I am not too keen on adding a hatnote to an article/section which refers "only" to one term within the paragraph. So I would also be fine with making Jisan a disambiguation page and shifting the current one to Jisan (Al-Qadim). Daranios (talk) 19:05, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Should there at least be a hatnote or something for the potential alternative meanings? 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:09, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Najm (Forgotten Realms)
[edit]- Najm (Forgotten Realms) → Forgotten Realms#Religion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target; I'm unable to find any suitable alternative. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:25, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Al-Qadim. BOZ (talk) 17:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Al-Qadim#Important concepts, where they appear now. Daranios (talk) 06:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- No objections now that it is mentioned. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Zann (Forgotten Realms)
[edit]- Zann (Forgotten Realms) → Forgotten Realms#Religion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target and I don't think anywhere else on the English Wikipedia apart from Zann. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:24, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Al-Qadim. BOZ (talk) 17:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Al-Qadim#Important concepts, where he appears now. Daranios (talk) 06:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- No objections now that it is mentioned. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Bala (Forgotten Realms)
[edit]- Bala (Forgotten Realms) → Forgotten Realms#Religion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target; I'm unable to find any suitable alternative. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:22, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Al-Qadim. BOZ (talk) 17:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Al-Qadim#Important concepts, where she appears now. Daranios (talk) 06:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Vataqatal
[edit]- Vataqatal → Forgotten Realms#Religion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:20, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Al-Qadim. BOZ (talk) 17:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Al-Qadim#Important concepts, where he appears now. Daranios (talk) 06:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- No objections now that it is mentioned. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Vartha Do'Urden
[edit]- Vartha Do'Urden → Forgotten Realms (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention anywhere on the English Wikipedia (unless this is somehow related to Drizzt Do'Urden?). 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:20, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Faerûn. BOZ (talk) 18:18, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Faerûn#Organizations. Daranios (talk) 06:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- No objections now that it is mentioned. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:05, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Marco Volo: Departure
[edit]- Marco Volo: Departure → Forgotten Realms (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Marco Volo: Journey → Forgotten Realms (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Marco Volo: Arrival → Forgotten Realms (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- The Sword of the Dales → Forgotten Realms (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- The Secret of Spiderhaunt → Forgotten Realms (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Listed at List of Forgotten Realms modules and sourcebooks, but entries there are linked (and the list contains a decent number of red links). 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:12, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget all to List of Forgotten Realms modules and sourcebooks#Other AD&D modules (1992–2000), where interested readers can find the basic information. Daranios (talk) 15:04, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Asper (Forgotten Realms)
[edit]- Asper (Forgotten Realms) → Forgotten Realms#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:09, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Faerûn. BOZ (talk) 18:18, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Faerûn#Organizations. Daranios (talk) 06:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Chondath
[edit]Not mentioned at target. Potential alternatives are Faerûn, The Vilhon Reach, and Old Empires. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:07, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chondath. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 08:04, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Faerûn, which currently seems the best central target to me. Daranios (talk) 15:04, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Faerûn. BOZ (talk) 17:35, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Kraken (D&D)
[edit]- Kraken (D&D) → Kraken (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Kraken (Dungeons & Dragons) → Monsters in Dungeons & Dragons (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- The Kraken (D&D) → Forgotten Realms#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- The Kraken (Dungeons & Dragons) → Forgotten Realms#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- The Kraken (Dungeons and Dragons) → Forgotten Realms#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- The Kraken (Forgotten Realms) → Forgotten Realms (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at any of the targets. Listed at Kraken_(disambiguation)#Video_and_role_playing_games and might otherwise occur in some passing mentions. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:54, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Consulting my Monster Manual, Krakens are definitely a thing in D&D, but I'm not sure if they merit inclusion in Monsters in Dungeons & Dragons. Cremastra (talk) 01:32, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget Kraken (Dungeons & Dragons) and Kraken (D&D), which refer to the fictional monster in the game, to List of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 2nd edition monsters#TSR 2103 – MC2 – Monstrous Compendium Volume Two (1989) where it appears. Retarget all "The Kraken" links, which refer to a fictional organization in the game, to
Treasures of the Savage FrontierFaerûn#Organizations, where it appears. Daranios (talk) 09:53, 2 September 2024 (UTC) - Retarget Kraken (Dungeons & Dragons) and Kraken (D&D) to List of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 2nd edition monsters and "The Kraken" links to Faerûn. BOZ (talk) 18:20, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Cowled Wizards
[edit]- Cowled Wizards → Forgotten Realms (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Some mentions at Baldur's Gate and Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:50, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Faerûn. BOZ (talk) 18:18, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Faerûn#Organizations. Daranios (talk) 06:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- No objections now that it is mentioned. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:04, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Ibrandul
[edit]- Ibrandul → Forgotten Realms#Religion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:47, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Faerûn. BOZ (talk) 18:09, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Faerûn#Religion. Daranios (talk) 06:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- No objections now that it is mentioned. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:04, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Iyachtu Xvim
[edit]- Iyachtu Xvim → Forgotten Realms#Religion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of "Iyachtu" anywhere on the English Wikipedia. "Xvim" gets a passing mention at Halls of the High King and is listed at List of Dungeons & Dragons 3rd edition monsters. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:46, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Halls of the High King as Xvim is the same character than Iyachtu Xvim. Daranios (talk) 15:04, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Eshowdow
[edit]- Eshowdow → Forgotten Realms#Religion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:44, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Faerûn. BOZ (talk) 18:09, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Faerûn#Religion. Daranios (talk) 06:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- No objections now that it is mentioned. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:04, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Gargauth
[edit]- Gargauth → Forgotten Realms#Religion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:42, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment This is linked to from Devil (Dungeons & Dragons), albeit piped to "Gargoth". No opinion on deletion, just wanted to share that there is presently one mention on the site. 🔹Blue (talk/contribs) 01:27, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Devil (Dungeons & Dragons), as Gargoth and Gargauth are the same character. Daranios (talk) 15:04, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Amaunator
[edit]- Amaunator → Forgotten Realms#Religion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Gets some passing mentions at The Sundering. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:41, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Faerûn. BOZ (talk) 18:09, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Faerûn#Religion. Daranios (talk) 06:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- No objections now that it is mentioned. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:03, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:VRT permissions agents
[edit]- Wikipedia:VRT permissions agents → Wikipedia:Volunteer Response Team#User right (global) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Wikipedia:OTRS members → Wikipedia:Global rights policy#VRT-permissions (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Wikipedia:Otrs members → Wikipedia:Global rights policy#VRT-permissions (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These should ideally point at the same target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:50, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not certain they should necessarily as, per the first target, VRT permissions agents are a subset of VRT members. Thryduulf (talk) 14:53, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- But the target of "OTRS members" is exactly about the "VRT permissions agents" group. 1234qwer1234qwer4 20:05, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:49, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Transversally elliptic operator
[edit]- Transversally elliptic operator → Elliptic operator (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not currently mentioned anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:36, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:56, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
411Mania
[edit]Father of the Constitution
[edit]- Father of the Constitution → James Madison (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Retarget to James Madison as Father of the Constitution or keep - this redirect hasn't been touched since that article was created so I'm unsure how it should be treated. estar8806 (talk) ★ 20:33, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep or retarget to James Madison as Father of the Constitution Randy Kryn (talk) 13:53, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to James Madison as Father of the Constitution. Goodness, that's an interesting article split, but it seems there's enough content for it, so as long as we have the more specific article, that's where this redirect should point. Fieari (talk) 05:25, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep or retarget as indicated: people might not remember who the "Father of the Constitution" is, so the redirect is useful, whichever article it goes to. P Aculeius (talk) 01:11, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Writ of Wikimedius
[edit]- Wikipedia:Writ of Wikimedius → Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
In 2004, was moved to User:Alex756/Writ of Wikimedius, and retargeted to WP:ARBCOM. Now, there are four uses of "wikimedius" across all of the Wikipedia namespace, and 3/4 are this redirect, and two related discussions for deletion. (The only other mention of Wikimedius is the genus of WP:WikiDodo.) It is not clear how this title has any relation to ArbCom, without already knowing about Alex's essay. And, if Alex's essay is known, such a person would be highly familiar with WP:ARBCOM and comfortable using one of the several likely shortcuts, instead of spelling out "Writ of Wikimedius" perfectly to navigate here. Deletion is preferable, I think; twenty years after the foundation of the Arbitration Committee, it does not seem necessary to have a WP-space redirect to userspace for a seemingly unendorsed objection essay. But perhaps there are some elucidating threads about the 2004 context which I'm missing, which could prompt a retarget result. Utopes (talk / cont) 19:31, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- I almost speedy deleted this but the nomination raises the issue that there might be some 2004-level context that would explain why we should keep this. It's a fair point to ask about but I find it unlikely and feel like delete is the most reasonable outcome here. A lot of goofy stuff happened in the early days of the project, things that would certainly not fly today, and this seems to be an artifact of that time. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 20:03, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as a joke that isn't funny anymore, absent any highly unlikely evidence coming forth that there is still a good reason for it. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:02, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Based on subsequent comments, I have no objection to retargeting, instead. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:50, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to User:Alex756/Writ of Wikimedius, harmless. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:33, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per 1234... Thryduulf (talk) 12:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - I remember this. It was ridiculous at the time and never should have been allowed in the moment let alone kept for posterity. UninvitedCompany 01:20, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
pokémon indexer
[edit]- Pokémon Indexer → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokédex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Pokemon Indexer → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokédex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- National Pokémon Indexer → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokédex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- National Pokemon Indexer → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokédex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
refers to the pokédex, but that's not what the name means (there's no oficial etymology for it that i could find), that's not what "indexer" means, and i found no reliable sauce for this variant's usage cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:36, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. This term doesn't seem to be applicable to the subject, nor particularly helpful. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 18:34, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
pokénav
[edit]- Gameplay of Pokémon#Items (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] →
- Gameplay of Pokémon#Items (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] →
- Gameplay of Pokémon#Items (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] →
- Gameplay of Pokémon#Items (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] →
- PokéNAV → Gameplay of Pokémon#Items (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Gameplay of Pokémon#Items (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] →
- Gameplay of Pokémon#Items (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] →
- PokeNAV → Gameplay of Pokémon#Items (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
not mentioned in the article. mentioned in passing in pokémon emerald, but the mention is likely not worth keeping there cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:26, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:58, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Eight dash ball
[edit]- Eight dash ball → Eight-ball (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete. This is the result of an undiscussed move by user:Eight dash ball in July 2020 that was reverted (by Oknazevad) after about 20 mintues later. I don't think this is a useful search term, but if it is then the target should match whatever the consensus of the #8 Ball Pool discussion is below. Thryduulf (talk) 13:24, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Redirect was the byproduct of a disruptive and useless move. No reason for this to exist. oknazevad (talk) 20:42, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
HIALS
[edit]No mention anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:38, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Google tells me this is "High Intensity Approach Lighting System" and I'm surprised it isn't mentioned on the article, so my gut feeling is too add it and keep the redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 20:53, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Note that source 6 in the article mentions ALSF-1 and -2 as high-intensity systems. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:28, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
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Deer cannon
[edit]- Deer cannon → Bird scarer (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
results are torn between the propane cannons used to give birds a dang ol spook, and actual deer cannon bones. i haven't found any info on where the name for the cannons came from, but it seems used, albeit not enough to warrant a redirect. any ideas? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:53, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
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Kevin Tucker (anarchist)
[edit]- Kevin Tucker (anarchist) → Green anarchism#Anarcho-primitivism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Redirects to an article that does not even mention the subject. Damien Linnane (talk) 02:36, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- This redirect has extensive history - not sure if RFD is the right place for this discussion? Might merit a procedural close and an AFD instead. -- asilvering (talk) 08:42, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Anarcho-primitivism#Adoption and practice. I had added citations for Kevin Tucker and Species Traitor to the discussed Green anarchism#Anarcho-primitivism section in 2021 because I did not think anarcho-primitivism would substantiate its own article. I've restored those citations in the suggested retarget location, where someone searching for the topic would expect to read about Carson and related periodicals. If there is more written on the topic, it can always split out in summary style. czar 14:05, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
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- The retarget should be uncontroversial since it's the dedicated article rather than the summary style subsection that had previously been the target czar 02:48, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Quackifier
[edit]- Quackifier → Quake III Arena (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
not that i'm the biggest and oldest quake fan out there, but i haven't found any info on anything in the history ever actually existing with this name. results gave me nothing reliable cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:37, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Revert and send to AfD. This was an article about a bit of software that "modified the OpenGL driver for ATI video cards, to change all references of "quake" to "quack"" to hack some code in the videocard drivers. I can't verify that (the reference is a dead link and google finds only usernames and ChatGPT output, after I insist I don't mean "qualifier"). Even though it's almost certainly not notable I can't find any evidence of the content being discussed and it's not speedy deletable so AfD is the correct venue. Thryduulf (talk) 14:43, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per
it's almost certainly not notable
, and I agree with that assessment. There's no need to take a bureaucratic extra step for something this obvious. -- Tavix (talk) 18:25, 13 August 2024 (UTC) - Delete. The article was redirected in 2008. If the subject is not mentioned anywhere, then this thing should be deleted, considering the existence of an article about the subject of this redirect is a clear WP:NOTGUIDE violation. Steel1943 (talk) 18:30, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- I suspect that an article about this subject that is not a guide could be written quite easily (focus on the technology, the impact of it, reactions to it, any legacy, etc). Whether such an article would meet the GNG is a different question and one that can policy says can only be answered at AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 02:10, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- the answer already seems to be "no", considering how even you found nothing reliable, so what would be the point of this extra step? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:39, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Policy says that articles which don't meet the speedy deletion criteria are discussed at AfD. Ignoring that policy will not benefit the encyclopaedia so IAR doesn't apply (IAR is rarely a good match when it comes to deletion anyway), because AfD gives a full chance for people who evaluate article content to evaluate article content and maximum visibility to those who know the topic area and can find sources. Such people do not tend to watch RfD because it's nearly always not relevant - because RfD discusses redirects not the deletion of article content. Thryduulf (talk) 17:55, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- to be honest, i don't really see how that justifies it. the stub before had one (1) source that doesn't even seem to be primarily about quackifier (couldn't get it to load /_ \), so there's no real point in interrupting the deletion of a pretty unambiguously not very notable redirect in one place so it can be deleted as a pretty unambiguously not notable article. also, where did the "speedy" part come from? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:07, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- This is a redirect, not an article, so the "policy" that Thryduulf made a vague wave to, if it were to exist, wouldn't apply here. -- Tavix (talk) 23:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- This is a disputed BLAR. Disputed BLARs are reverted and sent to AfD for discussion of the article content, as the article content is what is being deleted. Thryduulf (talk) 13:46, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- No it's not. No one is advocating for keeping the article content. Even if there were, WP:BLAR says that if there is a disagreement that
other methods of dispute resolution should be used
. RfD is a method of dispute resolution. -- Tavix (talk) 13:52, 15 August 2024 (UTC)- The redirection is disputed. I am arguing that the content should be restored and discussed as article content according to the policies for deletion of article content. In what way is that not a disputed BLAR? Thryduulf (talk) 14:08, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- In BLAR, the disagreement is between someone who wants to keep the page as an article and someone who wants to blank-and-redirect the article. In order for you to take that position, you must be in favor of keeping the article. You have not taken that position, your argument is purely jurisdictional. Please cite the policy you are appealing to. -- Tavix (talk) 14:18, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- The disagreement is over the status as a redirect. The policy is Wikipedia:Deletion policy:
Pages that do not fall in the above three categories [copyvio, speedy deletion, prod] may be deleted after community discussion at one of the deletion discussion venues
. Deletion venues is linked to: Wikipedia:Deletion processes which states that AfD is for articles and RfD is for redirects. We're dealing with article content hidden by an undiscussed redirect that has been objected to: i.e. a WP:BLAR which statesIf other editors disagree with this blanking, [...] the content issues should be discussed at the relevant talk page, and other methods of dispute resolution should be used, such as restoring the article and nominating the article for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion.
. - Please quote the policy that allows for deletion of articles at RfD. Thryduulf (talk) 18:29, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- The policy is Wikipedia:Deletion policy:
Pages that do not fall in the above three categories [copyvio, speedy deletion, prod] may be deleted after community discussion at one of the deletion discussion venues
. Deletion venues is linked to: Wikipedia:Deletion processes which states that AfD is for articles and RfD is for redirects. This is a redirect. -- Tavix (talk) 18:44, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- The policy is Wikipedia:Deletion policy:
- The disagreement is over the status as a redirect. The policy is Wikipedia:Deletion policy:
- In BLAR, the disagreement is between someone who wants to keep the page as an article and someone who wants to blank-and-redirect the article. In order for you to take that position, you must be in favor of keeping the article. You have not taken that position, your argument is purely jurisdictional. Please cite the policy you are appealing to. -- Tavix (talk) 14:18, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- The redirection is disputed. I am arguing that the content should be restored and discussed as article content according to the policies for deletion of article content. In what way is that not a disputed BLAR? Thryduulf (talk) 14:08, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- No it's not. No one is advocating for keeping the article content. Even if there were, WP:BLAR says that if there is a disagreement that
- This is a disputed BLAR. Disputed BLARs are reverted and sent to AfD for discussion of the article content, as the article content is what is being deleted. Thryduulf (talk) 13:46, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Policy says that articles which don't meet the speedy deletion criteria are discussed at AfD. Ignoring that policy will not benefit the encyclopaedia so IAR doesn't apply (IAR is rarely a good match when it comes to deletion anyway), because AfD gives a full chance for people who evaluate article content to evaluate article content and maximum visibility to those who know the topic area and can find sources. Such people do not tend to watch RfD because it's nearly always not relevant - because RfD discusses redirects not the deletion of article content. Thryduulf (talk) 17:55, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- the answer already seems to be "no", considering how even you found nothing reliable, so what would be the point of this extra step? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:39, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- I suspect that an article about this subject that is not a guide could be written quite easily (focus on the technology, the impact of it, reactions to it, any legacy, etc). Whether such an article would meet the GNG is a different question and one that can policy says can only be answered at AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 02:10, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete There's no need to debate content that was effectively removed sixteen years ago and not missed by anyone since. WP:IAR if there is a policy that says otherwise. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 21:28, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nominator. I'm not a fan of the squabbling over venues above, and deletion of {{R with history}}s is a perfectly acceptable outcome at RfD. There's no need to waste editor resources by booting this to another venue when the result of that discussion will almost certainly be the same. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 00:33, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:59, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Bodo languages (disambiguation)
[edit]- Bodo languages (disambiguation) → Boroic languages (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The current target Boroic languages is not a disambiguation page, and does not disambiguate "Bodo languages" (because "Bodo languages" (plural) is not ambiguous). Delete (previous G14 declined). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:16, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:04, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Brotherhood of Shadow
[edit]- Brotherhood of Shadow → Mortal Kombat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Brothers of the Shadow → Mortal Kombat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Brotherhood of the Shadow → Mortal Kombat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in the target article, leaving readers attempting to find information about this topic with no information at this target. However, there are mentions of the phrase "Brotherhood of Shadow" in multiple articles about subtopics of the target, but since it is mentioned in "multiple", it's not clear why any alternative target is preferred over another. Also, Brotherhood of Shadow is a {{R with history}} due to being subject to a WP:BLAR in 2007. Steel1943 (talk) 20:05, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- that's an apparently recurring name for a cult that... honestly, the only real pattern i can see in it is being led by quan chi. it's also the name of an unrelated game series that doesn't seem to have an article. i'd say delete, as pretty much no one cares about this name, and i doubt the games will have their own articles. not even sure ed cared about the cult at the time, since killing reptile took priority
- as for which spelling is right? the list of mortal kombat characters directly mentions and uses... two of them. in passing. and the cult isn't mentioned on quan chi's section at all. i suppose killing reptile took priority over deciding on a name as well cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:24, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom and cogsan. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:06, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
F. Fitzgerald
[edit]- F. Fitzgerald → F. Scott Fitzgerald (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete. Or redirect to FitzGerald (surname). jnestorius(talk) 02:35, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Someone entering this title is probably looking for F. Scott Fitzgerald, but the omission doesn't seem to have affinity (AFAICT he was never referred to as "F. Fitzgerald"). If you search for "F. Fitzgerald", F. Scott Fitzgerald is the first result, so the redirect doesn't have much navigational value either. jlwoodwa (talk) 06:11, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Kablammo (talk) 09:25, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Very clearly the primary topic, and there are hatnotes to others who might be searched for. Thryduulf (talk) 10:40, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Very clearly not the primary topic in Ireland, where the name FitzGerald originates. There is currently no hatnote for F. Fitzgerald on the F. Scott Fitzgerald article. One would need to add F. Fitzgerald (disambiguation) as a redirect to Fitzgerald (surname)#F in order to pick up Fern Fitzgerald and Frances FitzGerald (disambiguation). I would oppose any such hatnote as it would clutter the article and invite the inference that "F. Fitzgerald" is a reasonably common way to refer to "F. Scott Fitzgerald" as opposed to a very rare way. jnestorius(talk) 21:58, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Thruduulf. It does not lack affinity, by the way, as excluding a middle name is a reasonable thing to do in many cases. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 21:41, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm confused. Isn't "this modification could just as well apply to a vast number of other titles" the definition of "lacks affinity"? jlwoodwa (talk) 04:42, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Jlwoodwa: Affinity applies to things like a period at the end of a title, being in quotes, etc. In other words, an error that could apply to almost absolutely any title. A title without a middle name only applies to names, and furthermore only names including a middle name. It is always reasonable to leave out a middle name for a redirect, as long as there is no ambiguity in what's covered (or there is a primary topic as in this case). I would support that every single time. I would not support every single title having a redirect from that title in quotes or with a full stop at the end and so forth. Affinity is in regard to much broader variants, not specific ones like this. This situation clearly does not apply to every title (or a vastly broad enough swath of titles). Even if it did, it would still be appropriate all the time, rendering affinity double moot. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 09:20, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm confused. Isn't "this modification could just as well apply to a vast number of other titles" the definition of "lacks affinity"? jlwoodwa (talk) 04:42, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Does seem to be occasionally used in product listings and non-RS. If there were usage of the term to refer to anyone else, that low-quality usage wouldn't be weighted very strongly, but the only search results I see are spurious ones about John F. Fitzgerald. (The sources still write out the entirety of "John F. Fitzgerald"; Google just includes them because the substring matches.) Limited usage trumps no usage, so keep. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 22:18, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Autogenerated listings and poorly copyedited self-publishing? I don't think is persuasive evidence that real humans are using the term other than as a slip. The term is too ambiguous to prioritise autocorrecting a slip. jnestorius(talk) 22:04, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Are there other instances of anyone else being called "F. Fitzgerald"? -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 02:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- "Ms F. Fitzgerald", references to Frances Fitzgerald (politician) in Dáil proceedings jnestorius(talk) 15:58, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Are there other instances of anyone else being called "F. Fitzgerald"? -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 02:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Autogenerated listings and poorly copyedited self-publishing? I don't think is persuasive evidence that real humans are using the term other than as a slip. The term is too ambiguous to prioritise autocorrecting a slip. jnestorius(talk) 22:04, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- I have added Fionn Fitzgerald (born 1990), Irish football player, to the surname page. BD2412 T 21:58, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Fitzgerald (surname) per nom. Multiple Fitzgeralds with 'F' firstnames. Jay 💬 10:15, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep, F. Scott is the primary topic but some readers may forget the 'Scott' so this redirect acts as a memory aid. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:24, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to FitzGerald (surname) per nom. Like jnestorius, I am concerned about this redirect giving the impression that it's an established alternative name for the writer. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:11, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Paris Olympics
[edit]- Paris Olympics → 2024 Summer Olympics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Paris Olympic Games → 2024 Summer Olympics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The Olympics are over now. Disambiguate. LilianaUwU (talk / contributions) 23:57, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nomination. Los Angeles Olympics would be the same after the 2028 Games conclude. Ahri Boy (talk) 02:09, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support: per nom. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 02:38, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support: as per nom. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 04:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Paris hosting the Olympic Games. -- Tavix (talk) 14:25, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per Tavix (though that article's lead is somewhat poorly written). 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:35, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support disambiguation per nom. Merge Paris hosting the Olympic Games into its respective articles; there is nothing in common between 1900 & 1924 and 2024 except the city. It doesn't warrant an article. IntGrah (talk) 15:44, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- If so, just revert the recent change of Paris Olympics to Paris hosting the Olympic Games and revert to this version. -- Tavix (talk) 18:23, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support this – IntGrah (talk) 14:30, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- If so, just revert the recent change of Paris Olympics to Paris hosting the Olympic Games and revert to this version. -- Tavix (talk) 18:23, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support disambiguation of Paris Olympics per the nomination and prior discussion. There is strong precedent with Los Angeles Olympics, Salt Lake City Olympics, Lake Placid Olympics, Beijing Olympics, Innsbruck Olympics, Tokyo Olympics, etc. However, the ambiguous term Paris Olympic Games should not redirect to the 2024 instance, but rather to the Paris Olympics disambiguation, effectively restoring the prior redirect there. (A bot recently "fixed" the double-redirect there that would not have existed in the first place if Paris Olympics had been a proper WP:DAB from the start, in line with precedent.) --Tim Parenti (talk) 17:58, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to disambiguation page - Since Paris has hosted three Olympiads, it should be a dab between the three. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 18:17, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate by restoring this version and moving it back to Paris Olympics, as suggested by Tavix. Rosbif73 (talk) 07:04, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for finding this old version. I hadn't realized that Paris Olympics had been a proper disambiguation page at some point in the past, so your proposal is now my preferred mechanism for its restoration. --Tim Parenti (talk) 18:25, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Make into a dis-ambiguation page the same way it was done successfully with London Olympics. Georgia guy (talk) 11:14, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Paris hosting the Olympic Games which is a broad-concept article and is the disambiguation page. Disambiguation pages should not duplicate BCAs unless there are additional meanings. C F A 💬 02:16, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- As has been pointed out above, Paris hosting the Olympic Games once was a disambiguation page in this old version, before an attempt was made to convert it into an article. However, nothing that is said in any of its sections is not already said (or could not easily be said) in the corresponding article, typically in the lede. Because it merely duplicates the articles it references, it has gone out-of-date in several places — most obviously the over-detailed 2024 section, but also, e.g., updates to the number of athletes who participated in 1900. As it does nothing to actually cover the "relationship between a wide range of related concepts", it is not a proper WP:BCA and is simply duplicative where a WP:DAB would do. --Tim Parenti (talk) 02:47, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- I think the article just needs to be cleaned up. This is a reasonable topic for a broad-concept article. C F A 💬 16:00, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- As has been pointed out above, Paris hosting the Olympic Games once was a disambiguation page in this old version, before an attempt was made to convert it into an article. However, nothing that is said in any of its sections is not already said (or could not easily be said) in the corresponding article, typically in the lede. Because it merely duplicates the articles it references, it has gone out-of-date in several places — most obviously the over-detailed 2024 section, but also, e.g., updates to the number of athletes who participated in 1900. As it does nothing to actually cover the "relationship between a wide range of related concepts", it is not a proper WP:BCA and is simply duplicative where a WP:DAB would do. --Tim Parenti (talk) 02:47, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support DAB per nom, like the discussion at London Olympics, the Paris hosting the Olympic Games should be merged with their articles, and converted/redirected to a DAB. DankJae 18:14, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Paris hosting the Olympic Games per CFA. If there is concern with that page, list at AfD / restore disambiguated version / add merge tags. Jay 💬 10:41, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
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Lauren Sturtevant
[edit]- Lauren Sturtevant → Lauren Parsekian (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target page -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:24, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'd like to withdraw this nomination since P Aculeius has found and fixed the problem. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 11:39, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Presumably there because it was her husband's legal surname (and apparently hers) until he changed it in 2022. A linked article says that she planned to change hers in the near future (but not that she had). All of which should probably be said in the article, even though it isn't. But that's not a a reason to delete a plausible search term; it's a reason to re-add information that was probably deleted unhelpfully a couple of years ago, with an explanation. P Aculeius (talk) 12:06, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- And since nobody else seems to be participating in the discussion, I've gone ahead and noted it briefly in the article. Feel free to improve on what I wrote! P Aculeius (talk) 12:38, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Jim Dumps
[edit]The redirect makes no sense. GMH Melbourne (talk) 09:19, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- It should probably redirect to Force (cereal) now that I think about it. that article actually mentions "Jim Dumps". ―Howard • 🌽33 09:44, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
8 Ball Pool
[edit]- 8 Ball Pool → Miniclip (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- 8 ball pool → Eight-ball pool (British variation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- 8-ball → Eight-ball (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- 8-ball pool → Eight-ball (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- 8ball → Eight-ball (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- 8Ball → Eight-ball (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Eightball → Eight-ball (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Eight ball → Eight-ball (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Eight Ball → Eight-ball (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- EightBall → Eight-ball (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- 8-Ball → Eight-ball (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- 8 Ball → Eight-ball (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- 8 ball → Eight-ball (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Eight-ball pool → Eight-ball (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The game is related to the destination, but is better to be directed to 8 Pool and 8 Ball Pool (British variation). 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
08:59, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Uh, except "8 Pool" isn't a real phrase, and "8 Ball Pool" is malformed in several ways (MOS:SPORTCAPS, MOS:CUE, MOS:HYPHEN); to the extent the phrase is used, generally in reference to the British variant, it's "eight-ball pool". — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 21:21, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- I must admit, I'm confused here: The nominator wants the redirects speedy deleted per {{Db-redirnone}}? Steel1943 (talk) 22:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Note I've added a
seveneight more redirects to this discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 13:07, 1 September 2024 (UTC) - Retarget to Eight-ball or Eight-ball (disambiguation). This is a mess, especially as Eightball pool is a disambiguation page that is just a subset of Eight-ball (disambiguation). All should point to the same place, I'm equally happy with the American game (if that is really the primary topic, I've not checked) or the disambiguation page. Thryduulf (talk) 13:07, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Eight-ball#Variants has a section for the British version, so it's probably primary; one or the other certainly is.I haven't tagged any of these, but there's also
- 8-ball (disambiguation), 8 Ball (disambiguation), 8 ball (disambiguation), and EightBall → Eight-ball (disambiguation)
- 8-Ball, 8 Ball, 8 ball, Eight-Ball, and Eight-ball pool → Eight-ball
- Eightball pool (disambiguation) → Eightball pool
- I've tagged and listed all of those that don't end in disambiguation (as those are obviously correctly pointing to a disambiguation page). Unless anyone objects, after this discussion is complete I'll boldly redirect Eightball pool (disambiguation) to the main disambig at Eight-ball (disambiguation) and Eightball pool to wherever the consensus destination for the rest is. Thryduulf (talk) 15:04, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget all to Eight-ball, which mentions the British variant. Cremastra (talk) 14:39, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget all to Eight-ball except the ones that already include "disambiguation" which all like point to Eight-ball (disambiguation). In an ideal world the hyphenated ones would point to the game, the name of which is properly hyphenated as an adjectival use with "pool" (included or implied) as the noun, while the non-hyphenated ones would point to the glossary entry on the number 8 ball, which isn't hyphenated as "ball" is the noun, but I'm a realist that no one can really keep that straight. (Heck, I just had to make corrections across the nine-ball page a few days ago.) Ideally we'd clarify the difference by moving the eight-ball, nine-ball, ten-ball, and other "X-ball" pool games to include the word "pool" in their titles for clarity and completeness; sure, people might shorten it to just "eight-ball" more often when the context is clear, but we cannot make such assumptions about context in article titles. (And that doesn't mean we then need to include "also known as eight-ball" in the lead sentence; such hypocoristic shortenings are obvious and don't need to be explicated.) oknazevad (talk) 16:23, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't agree, since that will fail WP:COMMONNAME and WP:CONCISE. These games are virtually never referred to as "nine-ball pool", etc., except by people unfamiliar with them (the partial exception being the phrase "eight-ball pool", sometimes rendered "8-ball pool" or "eightball pool", used to some extent in British and perhaps broader Commonwealth English to refer in particular to the British variant of eight-ball, using yellow and red balls instead of solids and stripes). For all these terms, the pool games are likely the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, so they need no disambiguation. It is entirely sufficient to have Eight-ball (disambiguation), etc., and use hatnotes. If in some particular case we really did feel a dire need to impose a disambiguator, then it should be in "Foo-ball (pool)" form, since "Foo-ball pool" is not actually WP:NATURAL in English, even if equivalent phrases are common in other languages. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 21:21, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- "People unfamiliar with them" are exactly for whom we should be titling (and writing in general). Look outside the specialist press and you'll find the phrasing quite common. You can't claim it's not a form of natural disambiguation (disambiguating the game from the specific numbered billiard hall) and also say it's used by actual people.
- regardless, that was a digression on my part, and a tangent to what to do with the redirects. oknazevad (talk) 00:48, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- There's a massive difference between writing in a way that keeps in mind people unfamiliar with the topic (and for this, we have hatnotes and disambiguation pages, as needed), versus mis-using precise terminology incompetently simply because it's similar to other terminology (or seems vague to someone) with a result that is not only confusing to other editors but to a large class of readers. Cue sports in particular is rather prone to this problem; even "billiards" alone has four conflicting meanings, and specific collocations of that word convey meanings that are more precise than the wording might suggest to someone unfamiliar with the subject area. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 01:40, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Again, an appeal to specialist style. Ironic coming from the guy who always argues against it. Just shows that we all have blind spots when discussing areas we are personally invested in. oknazevad (talk) 09:02, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- There's a massive difference between writing in a way that keeps in mind people unfamiliar with the topic (and for this, we have hatnotes and disambiguation pages, as needed), versus mis-using precise terminology incompetently simply because it's similar to other terminology (or seems vague to someone) with a result that is not only confusing to other editors but to a large class of readers. Cue sports in particular is rather prone to this problem; even "billiards" alone has four conflicting meanings, and specific collocations of that word convey meanings that are more precise than the wording might suggest to someone unfamiliar with the subject area. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 01:40, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't agree, since that will fail WP:COMMONNAME and WP:CONCISE. These games are virtually never referred to as "nine-ball pool", etc., except by people unfamiliar with them (the partial exception being the phrase "eight-ball pool", sometimes rendered "8-ball pool" or "eightball pool", used to some extent in British and perhaps broader Commonwealth English to refer in particular to the British variant of eight-ball, using yellow and red balls instead of solids and stripes). For all these terms, the pool games are likely the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, so they need no disambiguation. It is entirely sufficient to have Eight-ball (disambiguation), etc., and use hatnotes. If in some particular case we really did feel a dire need to impose a disambiguator, then it should be in "Foo-ball (pool)" form, since "Foo-ball pool" is not actually WP:NATURAL in English, even if equivalent phrases are common in other languages. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 21:21, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yuck! Although I might prefer to see some of these redirected tp the DAB page, in the interests of consistency and WP:CONSENSUS, redirect all to Eight-ball; except for anything with a (disambiguation) qualifier which should for obvious reasons (WP:RTODAB) redirect to DAB page Eight-ball (disambiguation) and tagged {{R from ambiguous term}} if they are not already. The inlinks to all these redirects need to be checked to correct ludicrosities; something for which I regrettably lack the stamina. Narky Blert (talk) 17:16, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget as appopriate to Eight-ball (the world-standardized game), Eight-ball pool (British variation), or Eight-ball (disambiguation). The ones in forms like "8 ball pool", "Eight ball pool", "8-ball pool", etc., should go to Eight-ball pool (British variation), because this phrasing is not used otherwise and always refers to that version of the game. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 21:21, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Note: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cue sports has been notified of this discussion. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 21:24, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Zhujianbu
[edit]- Zhujianbu → Ministry of Housing and Urban-Rural Development (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
not mentioned at target -MPGuy2824 (talk) 08:47, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Zhujianbu is in fact the common abbreviation for the ministry, see its dictionary deffinition - 住建部Zhujianbu Easy to add that into the article which needs expanding. Hzh (talk) 09:10, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- As Hzh mentioned, "Zhujianbu" is from the Chinese word 住建部, which is the most frequently used abbreviation for the Ministry of Housing and Urban-Rural Development. I would suggest to keep this redirect. Cfls (talk) 16:33, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as a valid WP:RLOTE. It is mentioned at the target, in the forms "住建部" and "Zhù Jiànbù". The use of spaces in pinyin transliterations is often inconsistent, and tone marks are often omitted, so "Zhujianbu" is a reasonable search term. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 13:04, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Bovinaephagia
[edit]Unrecognised term. Zero hits on google for this phrase and google translate doesn't detect it in another language. Closest match is Bovinophobia, although there is enough variation that I wouldn't consider it a plausible miss-spelling. Bungle (talk • contribs) 08:46, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Presumably it's somebody's attempt to coin a term meaning "beef-eating", so it's not equivalent to "bovinophobia" (fear of cows). However, it's macaronic, malformed, and doesn't seem to exist in the real world. -phagia (a Greek suffix) is used almost exclusively in scientific literature to refer to diseases, mental disorders, or paraphilias involving the consuming of things, so it could be someone's attempt to say that the eating of beef is unnatural. If it existed, it would probably be "bovino-" (a Latin prefix, hence macaronic, but then so is "bovinophobia"—which isn't in Wiktionary), but for some reason the creator grafted a feminine ending onto it. Since the word has no real-world existence, it's not a plausible search term. P Aculeius (talk) 11:57, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per P Aculeius. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:15, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Tom Ealham
[edit]- Tom Ealham → List of Surrey County Cricket Club players (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
not mentioned at target -MPGuy2824 (talk) 08:14, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as per [5], he has only played Second XI matches for Surrey, and List of Surrey County Cricket Club players only includes people who have played in First XI matches. If he makes senior appearances for Surrey, then and only then will he be added to that list article. Until that point, delete the redirect with no prejudice to re-creation if in future he plays for the first XI and so is mentioned at that article. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:04, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Tuar
[edit]not mentioned at target -MPGuy2824 (talk) 08:10, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:16, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Yuvraj Samra
[edit]- Yuvraj Samra → List of Canada ODI cricketers (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
not mentioned at target -MPGuy2824 (talk) 08:08, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as per [6], he hasn't played in a match with ODI status (only matches classed as "other one day matches"), and so is correctly not mentioned at List of Canada ODI cricketers. If he makes an ODI appearance for Canada, then and only then will he be added to that list. Until that point, delete the redirect with no prejudice to re-creation if in future he plays an ODI and so is mentioned at that article. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:02, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Yes Weekend!
[edit]- Yes Weekend! → List of Kapamilya Channel original programming (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
no mention at target -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:26, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:16, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Muhajir Province
[edit]- Muhajir Province → Karachi Division (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention in target page. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:08, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: This redirect points to its current target due to its former target, Muhajir Province (Movement) (title match but with a disambiguator, thus a WP:PRECISE violation), being subject to a total WP:BLAR which occurred a few months ago. Steel1943 (talk) 00:15, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
2031 NCAA Division I women's basketball tournament
[edit]- 2031 NCAA Division I women's basketball tournament → NCAA Division I women's basketball tournament (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The men's tournament is scheduled to be there. I'm happy to withdraw if it is shown that the women's tournament is also set in the same place. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:40, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Ethan Herisse
[edit]- Ethan Herisse → When They See Us#Cast and characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Now star of Nickel Boys, among other credits. Nardog (talk) 04:11, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Xwitter
[edit]![Keep](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/White_check_mark_in_dark_green_rounded_square.svg/16px-White_check_mark_in_dark_green_rounded_square.svg.png)
Making Strides Against Breast Cancer
[edit]- Making Strides Against Breast Cancer → American Cancer Society (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target, though it might be worth being (the target is currently included in Category:Breast cancer organizations without ever mentioning breast cancer). Otherwise, only passing mentions on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:02, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:20, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Colleges Against Cancer
[edit]- Colleges Against Cancer → American Cancer Society (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target, but occurs in the lead of American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network (from where it is also linked though). 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:59, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:21, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Jazz Jackrabbit 2 Facts
[edit]- Jazz Jackrabbit 2 Facts → Jazz Jackrabbit 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
As per Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 31#Volcanoe facts. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:56, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:PANDORA. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:18, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:30, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per the arguments to keep all the other nominated redirects. Thryduulf (talk) 10:25, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Isle of White Facts
[edit]- Isle of White Facts → Isle of Wight (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
As per Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 31#Volcanoe facts (this one also contains a misspelling); none of the original page contents have been merged into the target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:55, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:PANDORA. Also note that while Isle of White does exist the correct title Isle of Wight Facts doesn't. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:19, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - But NOT per wp:pandora. Pandora doesn't really work for redirects, where WP:CHEAP applies. Instead of pandora, you can look at the validity of the redirect in and of itself... and here, we have two errors compounding. One, wight -> white, and two, we don't put "facts" at the end of articles despite said articles containing facts. One error could be argued as plausible... Isle of White redirects to Isle of Wight with good reason, for instance. Adding "facts" at the end... ugh, I kinda want to nuke that kind of thing from orbit, but you know, if it was an old old redirect with potential incoming links from off-site, I guess it could stay. But compounding both at once? Kill with extreme prejudice. No pandora needed. Fieari (talk) 07:37, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Wasp facts
[edit]As per Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 31#Volcanoe facts; reverted page move leftover. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:54, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, not a plausible search term. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:31, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:PANDORA. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:20, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The existence of so many different "... facts" redirects indicates that actually this is a plausible search term. Furthermore it is harmless and leads the searcher to an article containing facts about wasps. It's a shame that I need to remind experienced RfD participants that WP:PANDORA is a harmfully misleading combination of WP:OTHERSTUFF, WP:CRYSTAL and WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Thryduulf (talk) 02:08, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Steel1943 (talk) 14:35, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - the redirect is nonsensical, given that there are thousands of Wikipedia articles about different kinds of wasps. Dyanega (talk) 20:36, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: I am convinced by Thryduulf's argument. Cremastra (talk) 20:53, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:31, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Girlfriend hoax
[edit]- Girlfriend hoax → Manti Te'o#Catfishing incident (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This could refer to so many other stories. Incredibly vague redirect. Delete. LilianaUwU (talk / contributions) 01:47, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- uh... weak retarget to bride scam or possibly catfishing? delete otherwise cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 04:28, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to catfishing. Fieari (talk) 05:32, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Math facts
[edit]- Math facts → Mathematics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Poseidon facts → Poseidon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Iodine facts → Iodine (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Lion dance facts → Lion dance (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
As per Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 31#Volcanoe facts. Page histories of the targets show that none of the ancient duplicate page creations have been merged anywhere. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:46, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- I feel that "Math facts" is not like the others. Web-julio (talk) 03:20, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- delete all per "i think this would be considered trivia", weak delete math facts, clump the rest of the "facts" noms together if that isn't currently in the process of being done cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 04:21, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- The nominations are all somewhat different with regard to the page histories of the respective redirects. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:12, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- delete all per "i think this would be considered trivia", weak delete math facts, clump the rest of the "facts" noms together if that isn't currently in the process of being done cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 04:21, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all as improbable search terms that don't seem to have any significant history as independent articles. Readers would be better served by not finding confusing titles along with plausible ones. P Aculeius (talk) 12:13, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all: I understand "xxx facts" as "facts about xxx". As is should be clear to everybody that the content of the aticle "xxx" must be formed by the important facts about "xxx", these redirects are non useful, since they are totally redundant.
The case of Math facts is special since this title may refer to "facts about mathematics" as well as "fact in mathematics" (that is, theorems). This ambiguity is a further reason for deleting. D.Lazard (talk) 14:10, 1 September 2024 (UTC) - Delete all. Paul August ☎ 16:26, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:PANDORA. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:21, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep all. These are harmless, plausible search terms that lead searchers to articles containing facts about the subject they are looking for. It's a shame that I need to remind experienced RfD participants that WP:PANDORA is a harmfully misleading combination of WP:OTHERSTUFF, WP:CRYSTAL and WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Thryduulf (talk) 02:07, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- It's a shame that someone tried to shame editors for opining that these redirects weren't useful to readers, on the assumption that they were all relying on an essay that he/she didn't like. Imagine an encyclopedia where every entry is immediately followed by a cross-reference consisting of the same title plus "facts"! Practically every article title in Wikipedia could be converted into "Foo facts", but there's no reason to do so. Anyone searching for "foo" will find "foo" first, and doesn't need "foo facts", "facts about foo", or "101 things you didn't know about foo" to pop up in the search window, when all of them are merely redirects to "foo". Who's going to think that facts about "lion dance" won't be under that title, but under "lion dance facts"? The only reason for clicking on the redirect would be because it's presented as an alternative to "lion dance"—except that it's a redirect back to "lion dance", so we're telling people to go to some other target that doesn't actually exist, never did exist, and never should exist, instead of where they actually wanted to go in the first place. That's why they're not harmless, and why it's pointless to preserve them. P Aculeius (talk) 12:52, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- People using the internal search engine, or indeed any search method that presents a list of article titles to choose from, are only a subset of people searching for Wikipedia content. Redirects exist to enable the greatest number of people to find the content they are looking for, not simply those who use the internal search engine. Someone looking for e.g. "lion dance" will arrive at the article they want to read with the exact same amount of effort regardless of whether they click "lion dance" or "lion dance facts" so there would not actually be any harm even if your statement that the target
doesn't actually exist, never did exist and never should exist
was correct (which it isn't). That is unless you can explain how everybody wanting to read an article gets taken to that article is harmful? Thryduulf (talk) 13:55, 2 September 2024 (UTC)- If "xxx facts" and "xxx" both exist, they should both be displayed on most research engine. So readers who do not know that they are the same article must think for deciding on which link they have to click. This is definitely harmful and must be avoided per WP:ASTONISH. D.Lazard (talk) 14:25, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- It's correct in the sense that the articles' existence was ephemeral: three of them were redirected to the most plausible targets within minutes of their creation, while the fourth was flagged for merger two days after it was created, and then stuck around for a year with virtually no significant changes, apparently having been completely forgotten.
- "Math facts" existed for 4 minutes on February 12, 2006 before being redirected to "mathematics".
- "Poseidon facts" existed for 24 minutes on November 10, 2007 before it was redirected to "Poseidon", and at that time the redirecting editor commented that he found the title an "implausible search term".
- "Iodine facts" existed for 2 minutes on November 4, 2008 before being redirected to "Iodine".
- "Lion dance facts" was created September 2, 2008 as an unsourced partial duplicate of "Lion dance", which by that time had several hundred edits. It was flagged for merger on September 4, 2008, but the merger wasn't undertaken until the following summer, with no significant edits between those dates (some wikilinking, bot and technical edits, with no changes to the text).
- What all of these have in common is that they were created by new users without any previous experience editing Wikipedia, and little or no subsequent history—only the creator of "Iodine facts" continued to edit after doing so, and that editor made a grand total of 10 edits to various articles, last on April 23, 2009. Other than "Lion dance facts", which somewhat resembles an encyclopedia article, they give the appearance of high school class reports which for some reason were posted on Wikipedia. They weren't created because someone wondered where all of the "facts" were. None of them have a significant number of page views, and those that exist can probably be accounted for solely because the titles come up in the search window.
- For instance: if you type "Lion dance", you get two choices: "Lion dance" and "Lion dance facts", which probably explains why it gets about one hit per month in recent years. In the past it had a few dozen views a year, probably all from people who thought it represented a different page from "Lion dance", only to be redirected to "Lion dance" anyway. The other redirects got one or two views a year, again probably quite randomly by readers who wondered why "foo facts" existed, and how it differed from "foo". They were probably even more confused when "foo facts" just led them back to "foo".
- Redirects from titles that people might actually search under make sense: for instance, readers might not know whether to look under "U. S. Supreme Court", "U.S. Supreme Court", "United States Supreme Court", "Supreme Court of the United States", "American Supreme Court", or even the abbreviation "SCOTUS". I've visited the page several times, and still have trouble remembering which of these common names that I hear all the time is the actual title of the article; but it doesn't matter, since each plausible title leads to the right article. But "Supreme Court of the United States facts" would suggest to the reader that it contains content that isn't under the article about the court—only to astonish the reader who arrives at the bypassed article anyway, and wonders where the "facts" article is or how to get there.
- Promising the reader content that doesn't exist is a harm, albeit a slight one; but since nobody is likely to search for articles by typing "facts" after the name of the article, there is no harm whatever in deleting the redirects—except to the extent that fully redundant and unsourced content that existed for very brief periods more than fifteen years ago becomes hidden from view, along with the history of these unnecessary redirects. P Aculeius (talk) 15:01, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- People using the internal search engine, or indeed any search method that presents a list of article titles to choose from, are only a subset of people searching for Wikipedia content. Redirects exist to enable the greatest number of people to find the content they are looking for, not simply those who use the internal search engine. Someone looking for e.g. "lion dance" will arrive at the article they want to read with the exact same amount of effort regardless of whether they click "lion dance" or "lion dance facts" so there would not actually be any harm even if your statement that the target
- Neither
harmless
, norplausible
! It's hard to imagine that anyone who enters the search term "math facts", instead of say "math" is looking for our article on mathematics. Paul August ☎ 14:45, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- It's a shame that someone tried to shame editors for opining that these redirects weren't useful to readers, on the assumption that they were all relying on an essay that he/she didn't like. Imagine an encyclopedia where every entry is immediately followed by a cross-reference consisting of the same title plus "facts"! Practically every article title in Wikipedia could be converted into "Foo facts", but there's no reason to do so. Anyone searching for "foo" will find "foo" first, and doesn't need "foo facts", "facts about foo", or "101 things you didn't know about foo" to pop up in the search window, when all of them are merely redirects to "foo". Who's going to think that facts about "lion dance" won't be under that title, but under "lion dance facts"? The only reason for clicking on the redirect would be because it's presented as an alternative to "lion dance"—except that it's a redirect back to "lion dance", so we're telling people to go to some other target that doesn't actually exist, never did exist, and never should exist, instead of where they actually wanted to go in the first place. That's why they're not harmless, and why it's pointless to preserve them. P Aculeius (talk) 12:52, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all per what has already been said. Steel1943 (talk) 14:33, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- If someone's looking for Bromine facts and discovers that there's no article there, the very next thing they try is going to be Bromine. (Alternately, if I'm looking for a Redirect to encyclopedia article about math facts, who are you to stop me?) —Cryptic 15:46, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Thryduulf. Cremastra (talk) 20:54, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Lion dance facts, it appears to have been an unattributed copy of the existing Lion dance article at the time. The others don't appear to share that history. CMD (talk) 08:20, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all per P Aculeius. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:38, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Facts on Dallas, TX
[edit]As per Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2009 December 27#Information about Stitch's cousins and Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 31#Volcanoe facts. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:43, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:PANDORA. Also note that Facts on Dallas doesn't exist (its on the AP Stylebook's big 30) or Facts on Dallas, Texas. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:23, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. If someone wants facts about Dallas, TX then this redirect will take them exactly where they want to go making it plausible and useful. WP:OTHERSTUFF not existing is completely irrelevant, WP:PANDORA is harmfully misleading nonsense. Thryduulf (talk) 12:34, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Steel1943 (talk) 14:41, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Thryduulf. No harm is being done. If one person, presumably the creator, finds this useful, then good! It's Wikipedia:CHEAP. We're here to help people. These people, too. Cremastra (talk) 21:03, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Implausible search term. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:39, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Oasis Facts
[edit]- Oasis Facts → Oasis (band) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
As per Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 31#Volcanoe facts; also currently does not refer unambiguously to the band. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:42, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:PANDORA and should go to the base name Oasis if kept. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:24, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Oasis or Oasis (disambiguation). This is a harmless, plausible search term and we have articles that will provide searchers with facts about oasis - however we should take them either to the primary topic or to the disambiguation page as they are more likely to be looking for facts about an Oasis other than the band. It's a shame that I need to remind experienced RfD participants that WP:PANDORA is a harmfully misleading combination of WP:OTHERSTUFF, WP:CRYSTAL and WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Thryduulf (talk) 02:05, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Steel1943 (talk) 14:41, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to DAB per Thryduulf. No harm is being done here. Cremastra (talk) 21:03, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:40, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Dragon facts
[edit]As per Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 31#Volcanoe facts. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dragon facts decided to redirect though deletion was equally possible. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:41, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as an improbable search term. This article existed for less than a day fourteen years ago, and seemed to be a junior-high first-person narrative of someone's understanding of a specific (but unidentified) fictional universe's dragons. Anyone looking for information about dragons would be better off without this in the list of possible search terms while typing "dragon". P Aculeius (talk) 11:43, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:PANDORA. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:24, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep harmless, plausible search term that leads readers to an article with facts about dragons. It's a shame that I need to remind experienced RfD participants that WP:PANDORA is a harmfully misleading combination of WP:OTHERSTUFF, WP:CRYSTAL and WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Thryduulf (talk) 02:03, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Steel1943 (talk) 14:42, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Thryduulf. No harm is being done here. We're here to help people, including these ones. Cremastra (talk) 21:03, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:40, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Interesting facts
[edit]- Interesting facts → Information overload (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This just seems confusing to me. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:33, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- see talk page, retarget to ani (optional), and then delete cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 04:25, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see what the benefit of this would be considering the talk vandalism was originally from 2019 and February 2023. Trailblazer101 (talk) 22:59, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- fine, consider step 1 optional as well :( cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:20, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see what the benefit of this would be considering the talk vandalism was originally from 2019 and February 2023. Trailblazer101 (talk) 22:59, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Trivia (which is what pretty much everything collection of "interesting facts" is) or delete as a second choice. Thryduulf (talk) 20:09, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Trivia per Thryduulf. Trailblazer101 (talk) 22:59, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Facing the facts
[edit]- Facing the facts → BPDFamily.com (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:27, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as incredibly vague regarding a target on an encyclopedia. Steel1943 (talk) 14:43, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:41, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Cancer Facts and Figures
[edit]- Cancer Facts and Figures → American Cancer Society (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:24, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Cancer, which is where people will find facts and figures about cancer. Deletion is preferable to keeping as is, but retargetting is preferable to both. Thryduulf (talk) 20:11, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. If Cancer contains any "figures", I can't find them. Saying that we have "figures" then sending readers to the top of an article that is almost 200KB in size is not helpful at all. Steel1943 (talk) 14:24, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Thryduulf. @Steel1943: there are plenty of figures, statistics, and facts in Cancer#Global perspective, as well as §Causes, §Epidemeology, and §Economic effect. Cremastra (talk) 21:03, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, I meant that I gave up looking for them. The target page is so unwieldy regarding its subject matter that trying to find subtopics, especially those in multiple locations, can be confusing/annoying. Steel1943 (talk) 21:12, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:42, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Pg (elliptic function)
[edit]- Pg (elliptic function) → Jacobi elliptic functions#pg (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Target mentions no "pg". 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:54, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - I'm not a mathematician, but I double checked the article state at the time this redirect was created and found no references to "pg" there at all... however, back then, and now, the article is full of discussion about "pq" instead. My best guess is that this was an attempt at a redirect for a typo (except that the target is to a non-existent section, both then and now?). Given that I'm not a mathematician, I will make no commentary on how likely a typo this would be... I suspect mathematicians would be more careful and precise, but maybe this redirect would be helpful for an inattentive math student in university, or to a student of a professor with bad handwriting on the chalkboard? Fieari (talk) 05:38, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Notifying User:matthiaspaul who created the redirect and is still active. Can you clarify what the intention was here? --Un assiolo (talk) 15:46, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Wiimake
[edit]Neologism not mentioned in the target. The term is not mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia. Mia Mahey (talk) 05:40, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- I can see it (and the alternate "Wii-make") being used in some news coverage, most prominently "The Case for Wiimakes", but not nearly enough that it would demand usage in the target article or anything. Not sure it does any harm, but the use case seems limited as well. I guess I lean toward deletion, but not strongly. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 14:18, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- i would ALMOST suggest retargeting to the vaguely klonoa-shaped travesty we were cursed with in 2008 as a half-joke, as that seems to be the primary topic for the entire term (not for a good reason, mind you), but that'd be cheap. as is, no idea if it would be better to retarget it to some list of wii games, add a mention there, or delete, but i'll stick with adding a mention for now cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:35, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: term is mentioned in reliable sources (Nintendo Life, Wired, eurogamer.net). No reason to delete. Obviously not notable on its own but a redirect is warranted. I would support a mention at Video game remake or elsewhere, but that is not needed for this to be kept. C F A 💬 20:13, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Nintendo Wii and mention the phenomenon somewhere. It's an actual slang term formerly used for porting games to Wii while adding motion controls. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:36, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete unless a mention is added. If we don't have it, we don't have it. Don't leave readers scratching their heads trying to figure out why they arrived to any article which does not mention the term. Steel1943 (talk) 18:54, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Note that Wii Remakes redirects to New Play Control!. Jay 💬 16:12, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete both it and Wii Remakes, without prejudice to recreating both of them if and only if a mention is added to the Wii article, or a similar/adjacent article. We don't currently have information on this subject, so redlink it until such time as we do. Fieari (talk) 07:08, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Koi Mil Gaya 2
[edit]- Koi Mil Gaya 2 → Krrish (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Koi... Mil Gaya 2 → Krrish (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Krish 2 → Krrish (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Krrish 2 (2010 film) → Krrish (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Krrish 2 → Krrish (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
There's no such movie titled Krrish 2 or Koi Mil Gaya 2, Krrish's prequel's title is Koi... Mil Gaya and sequel's title is Krrish 3 but Krrish 2 or Koi Mil Gaya 2 doesn't exist. M S Hassan 🤓☝🏻 11:26, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep all: 100% reasonable to refer to a movie as [series name] [number] or [movie name] 2. Cremastra (talk) 00:40, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Given the existence of films called Krrish and Krrish 3, Krrish 2 is a unquestionably plausible search term. Thryduulf (talk) 11:58, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Thryduulf What do you think about Koi Mil Gaya 2? M S Hassan 📬✍🏻 15:57, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Vegas shooting
[edit]- Vegas shooting → Las Vegas shooting (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Shouldn't this point at the same target as Las Vegas shooting? 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:40, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Las Vegas shooting redirects to 2017 Las Vegas shooting, but it's been retargetted to the dab page a couple of times. I agree that the two redirects should target the same place, but I can't find evidence the latter's target has ever been discussed so it might be worth bundling that in here so we can get agreement what the best target is. Thryduulf (talk) 12:04, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget both to the disambiguation page. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:49, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Canada.
[edit]Appending a full stop is an WP:UNNATURAL error. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:32, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: harmless and WP:CHEAP. Gets steady pageviews. Cremastra (talk) 00:42, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Cremastra. This got 113 hits last year and 60 so far this year indicating that it's a useful term. Given that its unambiguous and harmless there is no reason to delete. Thryduulf (talk) 12:10, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:RTYPO. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:12, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- delete: wp:rtypo (and around 15% of wp:costly, but NOT the pandora part) seems to take priority over wp:cheap in cases like this, and there's precedent to just delete those outright, like this example from a few months ago cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:38, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Other harmless redirects being deleted does not compel us to make the same mistake again. Thryduulf (talk) 12:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- see unnatural linked above for why i disagree with calling this a "mistake" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:24, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Other harmless redirects being deleted does not compel us to make the same mistake again. Thryduulf (talk) 12:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as per precedence in other RfD discussions which have occurred over the years regarding erroneous/unnecessary full stops. Best keep it consistent. Steel1943 (talk) 21:23, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as WP:UNNATURAL, per everyone else. If you want "Article." to redirect to "Article", that should be done at the MediaWiki level, and Phabricator is thataway. But I still think it's better to have this as a redlink to make it more immediately obvious to the editor that they made a (subtle, not immediately spottable) mistake so that it can be fixed. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:07, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - per WP:CHEAP, as it's harmless and objectively useful to people, given the pageviews. Note that being useful to someone is expressly listed as a valid keep reason for RFDs. Fieari (talk) 05:41, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure you can conclude that it's "objectively useful" from a trickle of pageviews, because there's no way to know how someone got sent to the redirect in the first place. And as I said just above, I don't think this one is truly harmless, because it obscures a markup/MOS error that an editor might make. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:04, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Markup and MOS errors would be trivially detectable by using whatlinkshere and are never a reason to make it harder for readers to find the content they are looking for. Thryduulf (talk) 18:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- it's linked to thrice outside of the context of this rfd nomination, evidently by accident every time cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:22, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Markup and MOS errors would be trivially detectable by using whatlinkshere and are never a reason to make it harder for readers to find the content they are looking for. Thryduulf (talk) 18:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure you can conclude that it's "objectively useful" from a trickle of pageviews, because there's no way to know how someone got sent to the redirect in the first place. And as I said just above, I don't think this one is truly harmless, because it obscures a markup/MOS error that an editor might make. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:04, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and cogsan. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:50, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Deputy Chief of Staff
[edit]- Deputy Chief of Staff → Deputy Chief of Staff of the Sri Lanka Navy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This redirect was automatically created following a page move due to this title being rather ambiguous with other pages that share this title, like White House Deputy Chief of Staff. I'm thinking either delete this redirect or turn it into a disambiguation page. Limmidy (talk) 22:15, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Set index (drafted). I started to draft a disambiguation page, but think it works better as a set index due to the large number of very similar but not exact titles. Thryduulf (talk) 12:47, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- SIAify as proposed...looks good. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 19:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Hannon, Ontario
[edit]- Hannon, Ontario → Hamilton, Ontario (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Outlying suburb/community that is not mentioned at target. Either retarget to the list entry at List of neighbourhoods in Hamilton, Ontario#Mountain (Escarpment) or just delete. Cremastra (talk) 21:38, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:54, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Hastings East (Vancouver)
[edit]- Hastings East (Vancouver) → Vancouver (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention at target. Could refer to East Hastings, or to a more general neighbourhood/area as in [7]. Thoughts? Cremastra (talk) 21:32, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:51, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Academy, Alberta
[edit]Possibly a settlement, but redirecting to Calgary is not helpful since there is no mention there and there doesn't need to be; I suggest deletion. Cremastra (talk) 21:28, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:52, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Almadina (school)
[edit]- Almadina (school) → Calgary#School system (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention at target. There's definitely a school in Calgary called this [8], but that doesn't make this a helpful redirect. The name is also ambiguous with [9] [10] and [11], to name a few. I suggest deletion. Cremastra (talk) 21:25, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Alberta charter schools, where these schools are described. The schools in Alberta appear to be the only ones of this name represented in Wikipedia. If that changes, this can be pointed to the disambiguation page as a {{r from incomplete disambiguation}}. - Eureka Lott 21:44, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Woodridge, Ottawa River, Canada
[edit]- Woodridge, Ottawa River, Canada → Ottawa (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Same as below. Either retarget to List of neighbourhoods in Ottawa#Fitzroy or just delete. Cremastra (talk) 21:22, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:54, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Cedardale, Ottawa
[edit]No mention at target (unsurprisingly). Either retarget to list entry at List of neighbourhoods in Ottawa#Gloucester or just delete. Cremastra (talk) 21:19, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:55, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
🆥
[edit]I have no idea what this Unicode character is supposed to mean or how it's supposed to be related to the concept of data. Apparently this is U+1F1A5, which per https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+1F1A5 is a "Squared Latin Small Letter D". Possible other targets for this redirect include D, wikt:🆥, and Enclosed Alphanumeric Supplement (the Unicode block the character is in). Duckmather (talk) 21:04, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete – most of the hits I get are about Vitamin D, which suggests it is highly ambiguous at best. Cremastra (talk) 21:20, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Enclosed Alphanumeric Supplement links to this PDF which originally proposed the encoding of these TV-related characters. I doubt it has anything to do with Vitamin D as suggested above, but the document does not make the exact meaning of this symbol clear either. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:27, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- I expect it is more that it is sometimes, for whatever, reason, used as a cool-looking symbol for Vitamin D rather than "officially" being connected. Cremastra (talk) 02:13, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Gorobay: Have you been editing these days? I recall you were the editor I asked questions to about such subject matter. If so, you have any thoughts on this? Steel1943 (talk) 18:05, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- This character is part of a range of symbols in Unicode derived from ARIB STD-B62 related to TV broadcasting technologies. According to this translation, it represents data broadcasting, which would be a more pertinent target than the current target Data. It might also be okay to redirect it to its Unicode block’s page, though I don’t think that is as helpful. Vitamin D is a red herring and not relevant to this discussion: searching for the character on Google brings up results about vitamin D only because Google normalizes “🆥” to “d”, and searching for “d” also brings up results about vitamin D. Gorobay (talk) 17:50, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Implausible search term. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:56, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Enclosed Alphanumeric Supplement, where it will provide information on what the f this character is. At that location, I suggest the meaning of "data broadcasting" be explained, and we can link to that article there, in order to serve the admittedly unlikely possibility of someone already knowing the meaning of the symbol and wanting to get to that article. Far more likely, anyone searching for this stumbled across it in the unicode character map or stumbled across someone using it randomly, and wondering what it is. The unicode block page will provide the information said searcher is looking for. Fieari (talk) 05:43, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per Fieari. Thryduulf (talk) 10:27, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Elite slaves
[edit]- Elite slaves → Slave-owning slaves (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This sounds like a vague phrase (and google seems to back me up). I don't think a slave needs to themself own another slave in order to be considered an "elite slave". Duckmather (talk) 20:57, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes that's true, and I'm relaxed about this. On the other hand, it's a question of helping readers to navigate; and there is no other current article that it could sensibly point at. If one is written one day, it's not set in stone and can be altered. Ttocserp 21:24, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Agree with Duckmather that linking "elite slave" to "slave-owning slaves" is misleading enough not to be useful as a redirect. A primary example is temple slaves, who occur in several cultures and were certainly "elite" in some sense. Were concubines elite slaves? Sometimes, but is their favored status defined by owning other slaves? In ancient Rome, elite slaves encompassed public slaves working in the state bureaucracy who had privileges not accorded to others; slaves of the emperor, who were eligible for early manumission; and educated or high-skill slaves who worked in large upper-class households, who also were more likely to be manumitted. Technically, a Roman slave could not own anything, though they might manage other slaves and in effect "own" them. Defining the privileged status of some slaves does not rest solely or even primarily on whether they held any form of control over other slaves, let alone the legalistic issue of ownership. Defining "elite slave" as a category seems impractical; a link would be useful only to an article that discussed what positions of privilege might be available within a culturally specific system of slavery. Cynwolfe (talk) 17:17, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete quick google suggests this isn't used a technical term with any specific meaning; the first couple results are completely unrelated both to the concept of slaves owning slaves and each other, aside from generally being about slaves with varying kinds of higher status or privileged. Interesting article, by the way, if somewhat essay-like. Rusalkii (talk) 03:13, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and Rusalkii. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:58, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Canadialand
[edit]Appears to be a podcast [12] but very unlikely to be referring to the actual country. The creator's edit summary suggests this is a semi-joke. Cremastra (talk) 21:10, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- The podcast is Canadaland. Retarget as misspelling? -- Tavix (talk) 23:04, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm good with that. Cremastra (talk) 01:28, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Canadaland per Tavix. Utopes (talk / cont) 14:21, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Krish 1
[edit]- Krish 1 → Koi... Mil Gaya (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Krrish 1 → Koi... Mil Gaya (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
There's no such movie titled Krrish 1 or Krish 1. M S Hassan 🤓☝🏻 11:16, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep [Rationale for all of the above Krrish related redirect discussions.] Shorthand search aids abound here on enwiki especially if they help readers and are common alternate titles. Similarly Captain America 1, Iron Man 1, Mafia 1 etc. all exist. No policy based rationale is there for a deletion of these. If Krrish 3 exists, a reader would expectantly search for a 1 and a 2 (and so on, as I did), Krrish 3 already notes: "The film was referred to as both Krrish 2 and Krrish 3 in media reports." A retargeting of these articles may be discussed but a wholesay deletion is not the solution (my targets were primarily based on the release order at Krrish (film series)).
- Coming to Koi... Mil Gaya, the first film of the series, the working titles of its sequels were expectantly a play on its title as noted here, here and here. So these shouldn't really be in dispute.
- Also I wasn't notified of the deletion discussion here despite creating these redirects. Gotitbro (talk) 11:23, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- And Krish is a common mis/alt spelling of Krrish, both of which can also exist redirects. Gotitbro (talk) 11:26, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- You searched for Krrish 1 and 2 because you didn't know that such movies doesn't exist, Krrish franchise is a popular movie franchise in India so I don't think anyone else would search for Krrish 1 or 2 knowing that such movies doesn't exist, also per WP:OTHERSTUFF just because Captain America 1 exists as a redirect doesn't mean Krrish 1 should also exist. M S Hassan 🤓☝🏻 11:53, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Huh? That was a response to the 'no such movies exist' claim, not sure how "other stuff" applies here when these were only examples for WP:ALTTITLEs. Redirects need not only cater to the official names of films, plenty of sources use the alternative names (some of which have already been listed above). We would be better off discussing a retarget here than going around in circles about alt titles. Gotitbro (talk) 12:23, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- What source uses Krrish 1, Koi Mil Gaya 2 and Koi Mil Gaya 3? M S Hassan 📬✍🏻 12:33, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- The sources you provided only uses Krrish 2 M S Hassan 📬✍🏻 12:36, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- That is incorrect, you would know if you read the articles.
- Bollywood Life which discusses the title discrepancy/controversy in detail lists all of these (including Koi Mil Gaya 2 and Koi Mil Gaya 3).
- This article by an Indian SF editor outright lists the first sequel (Krrish) as Koi... Mil Gaya 2.
- Krrish 1 is pretty self-explanatory, but here you go, Outlook (discusses the title controversies, including the Krrish vs. Krish spellings), Indian Express (about the reasons for titling the films as such), Great Bong (film review website). Gotitbro (talk) 15:35, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Bollywoodlife is not a reliable source also they are not claiming that Krrish's another name is Koi Mil Gaya 2 and Krrish 3's another name is Koi Mil Gaya 3 instead they are asking
If we accept the trilogy theory, shouldn’t it be Koi… Mil Gaya 3? But then, where was Koi…Mil Gaya 2?
M S Hassan 📬✍🏻 16:30, 24 August 2024 (UTC)- The whole host of other sources that have been listed above discuss the same, need not pontificate on Bollywood Life alone (which was only meant as an exemplar of usage and RS should not really arise). All of which clearly establish a usage pattern, you need to first read what the purpose of WP:REDIRECT is rather than engage in selective analysis of the listed sources here.
- And from what I can gather from these sources and the content at Krrish 3, Krrish 1 can be retargetted to Krrish and Krrish 2 to Krrish 3.
- That Koi... Mil Gaya 2 was a clearly a working title has already been established and so has the usage of Koi... Mil Gaya 3.
- This is my final say on this, the sources and usage have been laid down and I will wait for uninvolved editors to comment. Gotitbro (talk) 17:07, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have already read WP:REDIRECT. The redirects you created are not official alt titles, and I don't think anyone will search for them, which is why they should be deleted. M S Hassan 📬✍🏻 03:27, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Bollywoodlife is not a reliable source also they are not claiming that Krrish's another name is Koi Mil Gaya 2 and Krrish 3's another name is Koi Mil Gaya 3 instead they are asking
- Huh? That was a response to the 'no such movies exist' claim, not sure how "other stuff" applies here when these were only examples for WP:ALTTITLEs. Redirects need not only cater to the official names of films, plenty of sources use the alternative names (some of which have already been listed above). We would be better off discussing a retarget here than going around in circles about alt titles. Gotitbro (talk) 12:23, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- You searched for Krrish 1 and 2 because you didn't know that such movies doesn't exist, Krrish franchise is a popular movie franchise in India so I don't think anyone else would search for Krrish 1 or 2 knowing that such movies doesn't exist, also per WP:OTHERSTUFF just because Captain America 1 exists as a redirect doesn't mean Krrish 1 should also exist. M S Hassan 🤓☝🏻 11:53, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- And Krish is a common mis/alt spelling of Krrish, both of which can also exist redirects. Gotitbro (talk) 11:26, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- My bad, I forgot to notify you about redirect discussion. M S Hassan 🤓☝🏻 11:54, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: alternate names; they're part of a series. See WP:RF. Cremastra (talk) 20:59, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Google search results do show people use the latter title, and the former is a plausible misspelling. While not mentioned verbatim in the article, the meaning is clear from context. There is no apparent ambiguity. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 21:06, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Rubber latex
[edit]- Rubber latex → Latex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Latex rubber → Latex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Latex (rubber) → Latex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The word latex is colloquially used to refer to a small subset of latices: natural rubber latex, which is used in gloves, condoms, etc. While both the current target and Natural rubber cover this topic, there's a fair bit more detail in the latter, including a Uses section that gets into the thing most people picture when they hear "latex". So I suggest a retarget to Natural rubber. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 20:27, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Natural rubber. I wasn't previously aware that latex referred to anything other than rubber before, and the latex article is primarily about non-rubber latexes with a smaller portion devoted to what is commonly known as latex in most of the English speaking world outside academia and material sciences. It's a broad concept article where people are looking for the thing they call latex. A hatnote will be needed. Fieari (talk) 07:13, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Predictions of the end of Facebook
[edit]- Predictions of the end of Facebook → Facebook (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Predictions of the end of Twitter → Twitter (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
If a reader typing predictions of t into the search bar (after seeing such an article for Google or Wikipedia) stumbles upon a page like Predictions of the end of X which redirects to X social media platform, they may be given the potentially false impression that the article on X may contain information about such predictions and may end up wasting their time scrolling through the article only to potentially conclude that no such information may be present. Sure, they were "merged" into their respective articles, but their poor usefulness is still a problem. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 17:38, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep End of Facebook and refine to Facebook#Userbase, the last paragraph of which has content on predictions of the end of Facebook. Weirdly enough I can't actually find anything like that for Twitter, despite the widespread doomposting after Musk bought it, but I would expect it would be worth a sentence or two at least in Twitter under Elon Musk or Acquisition of Twitter by Elon Musk. Rusalkii (talk) 19:01, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep of Facebook one: mentioned but I don't think it's that plausible a search term, nor something it makes sense to link to from other articles, but it does no harm. Delete Twitter one unless mentioned somewhere, in which case (weakly) keep or retarget as appropriate. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 21:09, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Refine the Facebook one per Rusalkii, above. Delete twitter one, it can be recreated if/once information about the many news articles speculating about the end of twitter under Elon is added to an article. Fieari (talk) 01:34, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Verenigd Koninkrijk
[edit]- Verenigd Koninkrijk → United Kingdom (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete per WP:RLANG – Dutch name for the United Kingdom. Cremastra (talk) 17:25, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:40, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Dutch exonyms#United Kingdom where it's mentioned. -- Tavix (talk) 18:05, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:01, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Do not keep per everyone who has participate thus far in this discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 20:07, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Volcanoe facts
[edit]Delete per WP:NOTFAQ with precedent at eg Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 August 2#Facts on horses, and also due to the Quaylean spelling. -- Tavix (talk) 15:51, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Cremastra (talk) 16:14, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:PANDORA. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:41, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, but NOT per WP:PANDORA, which I would argue should never be used as an argument in RFD discussions. Let's look at each redirect on their own merits. In this case, we have two compounding mistakes... a misspelling of volcano, plus adding the superfluous "facts". One mistake could be arguable as plausible, two not so much, so delete because of that, not because of pandora. Fieari (talk) 05:45, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Sufferin' succotash
[edit]- Sufferin' succotash → Sylvester the Cat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Suffering succotash → Sylvester the Cat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
A catchphrase not mentioned at the target article. People interested in reading about this character would be more likely to search for the character. There is no content about this phrase here, and Wikipedia is not a search engine for "who said this line". Utopes (talk / cont) 17:59, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
Keep[Changed to retarget below]: What's the problem and what's your suggestion? I don't see a problem here, and "who said this line" is a helpful service. — BarrelProof (talk) 18:06, 8 August 2024 (UTC)- The problem is as described above (i.e. catchphrases not mentioned at target articles are problematic and misleading due to inherent lack of context and confusion caused for readers). My suggestion is to delete, aligning with past precedents that: "phrase, lyric, and quote redirects that point to articles where they are not mentioned are misleading and cause confusion for readers"; such was the result for a sizeable set of RfDs nominated early this year: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 12#It's not personal. It's strictly business. In this situation, there is currently no mention of any "suffering" being undergone by anyone, much less the variation of "sufferin'" used as a search term dropping the "g". "Succotash" is also not mentioned nor alluded to in the article at this time. Utopes (talk / cont) 18:58, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- I guess your italics indicate a quote from somewhere, and there must've been some prior discussion of this issue that I'm not familiar with. I thought the threshold for a redirect was lower than it would be for a DAB (i.e., WP:DABMENTION). In my personal experience, people sometimes remember a catchphrase but can't remember the name of the person who said it or what show it was in, and just need a little reminder. "To the Moon, Alice!" — BarrelProof (talk) 19:18, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Apologies for the confusion; the italics was a retelling of my nomination statement, which in turn summarizes some past discussions about unmentioned "r from catchphrases" and "r from lyrics".
- I fully agree that a tool for searching a catchphrase in order to find the source is a great function, but it more suitable for open-ended search engines such as Google or Youtube which aggregate differently. Doing so on Wikipedia would only work for an exact title match of existing content, and nothing will appear in the built-in search engine for those without mentions in the article. To the Moon, Alice! is an example of a suitable r from catchphrase, as it's a phrase that receives a mention in the plot section as well as allusions in the legacy section (that is if this quote is a version of "bang zoom straight to the moon", which is the aspect discussed and referred to here). Utopes (talk / cont) 19:33, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- To push back on that a little, just because Google (or the Youtube site it operates) might usually do a better job of finding a subject doesn't mean a search string is not worth trying to have at all. Wikipedia is less spammy (among other considerations), and its search box sometimes leads to what you're looking for if no one deletes the redirect at (or similar to) the string you type. "Sufferin' succotash" is an extremely famous phrase for this character, and is only two words, so it wouldn't have a lot of variation in what people would type to look for it. — BarrelProof (talk) 20:16, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- I guess your italics indicate a quote from somewhere, and there must've been some prior discussion of this issue that I'm not familiar with. I thought the threshold for a redirect was lower than it would be for a DAB (i.e., WP:DABMENTION). In my personal experience, people sometimes remember a catchphrase but can't remember the name of the person who said it or what show it was in, and just need a little reminder. "To the Moon, Alice!" — BarrelProof (talk) 19:18, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- The problem is as described above (i.e. catchphrases not mentioned at target articles are problematic and misleading due to inherent lack of context and confusion caused for readers). My suggestion is to delete, aligning with past precedents that: "phrase, lyric, and quote redirects that point to articles where they are not mentioned are misleading and cause confusion for readers"; such was the result for a sizeable set of RfDs nominated early this year: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 12#It's not personal. It's strictly business. In this situation, there is currently no mention of any "suffering" being undergone by anyone, much less the variation of "sufferin'" used as a search term dropping the "g". "Succotash" is also not mentioned nor alluded to in the article at this time. Utopes (talk / cont) 18:58, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Questions: Would this nomination include Suffering succotash? Would a soft redirect of both to wikt:suffering succotash work? — AjaxSmack 20:41, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed that's basically the same. I had forgotten that Daffy Duck also says it. Wiktionary seems to explain it pretty well, although I've never encountered the "suffering savior" assertion before. — BarrelProof (talk) 20:49, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Broadcast Standards and Practices#Press Your Luck, which does a good job of explaining this phrase and who said it, and discusses a notable episode in its history. (This assumes that content is correct and will stay there – the discussion there is unsourced and not clearly relevant to Broadcast Standards and Practices.) BTW, the phrase is also mentioned in Yankee Dood It. The redirect shouldn't be deleted. — BarrelProof (talk) 21:14, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed that's basically the same. I had forgotten that Daffy Duck also says it. Wiktionary seems to explain it pretty well, although I've never encountered the "suffering savior" assertion before. — BarrelProof (talk) 20:49, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete to favour search results. Its mention as an example in a game show would not be an appropriate target. Note that Succotash#In popular culture also could have been a target. In fact, the redirect was created in 2013 to target that page. Also I'm bundling suffering succotash per AjaxSmack. Jay 💬 09:40, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
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University Institutes of Technology
[edit]- University Institutes of Technology → University technical institute (France) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
It's impossible to associate this term with a single subject, even though the french name is in plural too. NotAGenious (talk) 15:01, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The nomination is simply incorrect - every hit on Google for "University Institutes of Technology" -Wikipedia down to at least the middle of page 2 refer to University technical institutes in France (either the system or the institutions collectively, both of which are covered at the current target article). From the middle of page 2 there are some results for specific institutions of this type - the correct target for searches that generate that kind of result is the list of institutions, which in this case is located at the current target. Thryduulf (talk) 19:28, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- On incognito mode, in order:
- https://www.institutesoftechnology.org.uk/ (UK)
- https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/institutes-of-technology--2/institutes-of-technology (UK)
- https://www.tudublin.ie/ (UK)
- https://classesinternationales.org/network-of-university-institutes-of-technology.php (France)
- https://www.kth.se/en (Sweden)
- https://www.uitrgpv.ac.in/ (India)
- https://www.gatech.edu/ (USA)
- https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/best-technology-colleges/ (blog, USA) NotAGenious (talk) 11:14, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
The Switch
[edit]- The Switch → Nintendo Switch (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Oh noes. An editor changed the target redirect to the video game console Nintendo Switch from the longstanding common household item switch (as in light switch, etc.). Maybe a redirect to the dab page would be necessary as both entries have no primary topic. ScarletViolet tc 10:49, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, since the release of the Nintendo Switch, its been pointing to the dab page. It's also very unusual for those typing "The Switch" when they are looking for the page switch because its unlikely would include the definite article and also because most people do it in all lowercase. I also note that the video game console gets way more views than films titled "The Switch" but idk if people actually type "The Switch" looking for the console. Just like someone typing "The Tube" is likely looking for the London Underground metro system (it currently redirects there) than the normal article about various types of tubes at tube (disambiguation) JuniperChill (talk) 18:36, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- The Retarget to Switch (disambiguation) tbh. that one also has switches that are the cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:59, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget back to the dab page. Looking for what is actually the primary topic here (rather than just blindly assuming as those above appear to have done) we find that there are three topics that have Wikipedia articles that could be primary: The Switch (2010 film), The Switch (1967 film) and The Switch (TV series), but none of them are clearly primary over the others so the dab page is best. Thryduulf (talk) 14:11, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to DAB. There are multiple possibilities to what the searcher could be looking for, let's help them out. Fieari (talk) 05:49, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
FuBl 2
[edit]- FuBl 2 → Instrument landing system (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Is this referring to the differently capitalised "FuBL 2" at Luftwaffe_radio_equipment_of_World_War_II#Navigation_and_direction_finding? 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:15, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
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Crab angle
[edit]- Crab angle → Course (navigation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Related to Crosswind_landing#Techniques? 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:23, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
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True democracy
[edit]- True democracy → Direct democracy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The term "true democracy" is used to promote all kinds of reforms, with no one type of reform being the primary topic (I checked both Google web search and Google book search). Hence, convert to DAB with four entries: "any form of democratization", "any type of electoral reform", "scoring well on Democracy indices", and True Democracy (album). Jruderman (talk) 13:40, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete this and True Democracy. I created the nominated redirect 18 years ago and changed the redirection of the second one around the same time, and now realize these were mistakes. It is a hopelessly vague term that I apparently associated with direct democracy back then but back then I didn't realize all the connotations and the future complexities in Wikipedia's content, and to be clear, the Wikipedia was quite a "wild west" in 2006 compared to today. Further, a disambiguation would be rather useless with only one similarly worded term. All the suggestions of similar ideas here aren't really for a typical disambiguation, and comes off as something akin to original research or at best, stretching a phrase's meaning too far. Just delete the sucker. Stefen 𝕋owers among the rest! Gab • Gruntwerk 18:16, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- It might have to be a dab page (or redirect) just because of the music album. Jruderman (talk) 19:14, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- We don't create dab pages to go to one thing. If you're concerned about people finding the album, what you do is delete this redirect and True Democracy (also as unnecessary as the one nominated here), then move True Democracy (album) to True Democracy, since it's the only "True Democracy" entity covered in the encyclopedia. There was not a need to disambiguate that album. Stefen 𝕋owers among the rest! Gab • Gruntwerk 19:24, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- It might have to be a dab page (or redirect) just because of the music album. Jruderman (talk) 19:14, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Move True Democracy (album) to True Democracy. Retarget True democracy there. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:15, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- To the closer: If I wasn't clear, this is the solution I want as well. Stefen 𝕋owers among the rest! Gab • Gruntwerk 04:30, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
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⧧
[edit]While the Unicode character is called "THERMODYNAMIC", I don't see how the current target would be helpful to any reader. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:12, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - while it might not be the most useful, deleting it would be less useful. If the unicode character represents thermodynamics then we should redirect there BugGhost🦗👻 00:46, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Deleting it would at least make it clear that we have no content on this symbol. As a reader, I would have trouble understanding why some very abstract character would redirect me to a physics article with no explanation of the symbol. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:31, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep – see this discussion for evidence of use. Cremastra (talk) 23:45, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- If anything, that is an argument to retarget to Wiktionary. 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:06, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Weak Keep - On the balance of things, I think I prefer keeping the user on wikipedia when we have information they might be looking for rather than to offsite or crosswiki them. The symbol means thermodynamic, we have information on what that means, so it's the best target. That said, I would not strenuously object to crosswiki linking it to wiktionary. I would strenuously object to deleting the redirect altogether. Fieari (talk) 05:57, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Ḙ
[edit]- Ḙ → Circumflex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Ṷ → Circumflex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These were nominated in 2010 as part of a WP:TRAINWRECKy nomination already, but they are not mentioned at the target, which barely talks about a circumflex below (note that this is currently a red link) at all. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:32, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retain The solution surely is to add content about 'circumflex below' to the circumflex article. This is a credible redirect, though I haven't found a citation for it. I came across a suggestion that 'circumflex below' is used in IPA, perhaps Nardog can advise? --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 22:13, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not that I know of, currently or historically. The inverted breve below and the caron below are used, but not the circumflex below. Nardog (talk) 01:05, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Nardog:, the Unicode character index (for the combining diacritic) reads
U+032D ◌̭ COMBINING CIRCUMFLEX ACCENT BELOW • Americanist: fronted articulation
. Perhaps that was the concept? (I'm 50 fathoms out of my depth here, so apologies in advance if this is a stupid question.) --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 18:24, 24 August 2024 (UTC)- There is some information on the usage at fr:Accent circonflexe souscrit. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:06, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- The Uralic Phonetic Alphabet is not the same as Americanist phonetic notation. Nardog (talk) 01:44, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- That usage is mentioned in Americanist phonetic notation#Common alternate symbols. Nardog (talk) 01:43, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- There is some information on the usage at fr:Accent circonflexe souscrit. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:06, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Nardog:, the Unicode character index (for the combining diacritic) reads
- Not that I know of, currently or historically. The inverted breve below and the caron below are used, but not the circumflex below. Nardog (talk) 01:05, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Unless Ḙ is strongly associated with one language, I recommend giving it the same fate as "Circumflex below" (currently a red link). Assuming this is the case, where should "Circumflex below" redirect? Most likely to one of the following: Circumflex#Unicode, Circumflex#Circumflex_below (a new, more specific section), or Combining character (a more general article). Jruderman (talk) 01:10, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Definitely Circumflex#Circumflex below, as per Dot (diacritic) (which has #Overdot, #Underdot and #Sidedot). The principle is clear, the practical issue is the need for someone who knows the first thing about the topic (rules me out) to write a couple of sentences. The article should have that section. It is certainly mentioned at Uralic Phonetic Alphabet#Modifiers, so would it be enough to say that
The circumflex below is a notation used by the Uralic Phonetic Alphabet to indicate a raised variant of a vowel
? - I don't see it anywhere at Americanist phonetic notation but specifically not at Americanist phonetic notation#Common alternate symbols. Is it a Unicode Consortium error? [see https://www.unicode.org/charts/nameslist/n_0300.html ]). 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 16:53, 25 August 2024 (UTC) revised 17:03, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Definitely Circumflex#Circumflex below, as per Dot (diacritic) (which has #Overdot, #Underdot and #Sidedot). The principle is clear, the practical issue is the need for someone who knows the first thing about the topic (rules me out) to write a couple of sentences. The article should have that section. It is certainly mentioned at Uralic Phonetic Alphabet#Modifiers, so would it be enough to say that
- We should add Ṱ · Ḽ · Ḓ · Ṋ to the RfD, right? Jruderman (talk) 01:17, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Wrong. These are mentioned at Circumflex#Diacritic_on_consonants, and the nomination does not apply to them. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:42, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Link to previous RfD (2010) — Jruderman (talk) 01:21, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
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CBIs
[edit]Not mentioned in target. This appears to be an acronym for Ctiizenship by investment, but results for a search (which also includes CBIS) includes many things, none of them related to economic citizenship, and I don't really see the plural used. Rusalkii (talk) 03:58, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
List of ambassadors of Turkey to Burundi
[edit]- List of ambassadors of Turkey to Burundi → Burundi–Turkey relations (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The target article Burundi–Turkey relations contains no list of ambassadors. LibStar (talk) 03:46, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and merge the content behind the redirect into the target article, which is what should have been done in the first place rather than redirecting. Thryduulf (talk) 14:15, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Also I think "List of" is an unlikely search term. LibStar (talk) 05:47, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Why? We have hundreds of thousands of titles beginning "List of". It strikes me as an extremely plausible search term for someone wanting a list of X to search for "List of X". Thryduulf (talk) 10:21, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Laws of work
[edit]- Laws of work → Thermodynamics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target, and might also refer to Labour law. (Interestingly, work law does not exist as a redirect to that article.) 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:15, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. It is an uncommon term, and i dont think we lose anything by getting rid of it. Ldm1954 (talk) 02:38, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate between Thermodynamics and Labour law. Disambiguations are cheap enough to cover this cost. Work law should exist, as Employment law does. BD2412 T 03:42, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- If we're going to convert this to a disambiguation page, Laws of thermodynamics would probably be a better entry than Thermodynamics. - Eureka Lott 15:23, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- DABify between Laws of thermodynamics and Labour law. A search in Google Scholar and other search engines show this term is used in both contexts frequently. Ca talk to me! 16:12, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. This is not a term used in physics or thermodynamics, and I can't find it used for the laws of thermodynamics anywhere in a quick google search. Work is an important concept in thermodynamics, but only the first law of thermodynamics talks about work. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:22, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig per Ca's research. Thryduulf (talk) 13:51, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Seems to be leaning toward "disambiguate", but more discussion is still needed.
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[edit]- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 7 § ---- – retarget to --
Probably makes sense to retarget this to the target of Horizontal rule, which is HTML element#hr, given that the article which previously caused ambiguity for this redirect, Keturi Brūkšniai, has been deleted. Steel1943 (talk) 23:10, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep this is still just as ambiguous as it was in June and sequences of hyphens are still not mentioned at the proposed target. Thryduulf (talk) 13:49, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep – while <hr/> is the first thing that comes to mind for me, the disambiguation is still useful. Cremastra (talk) 16:16, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Glue70
[edit]- Glue70 → Joanna (Kool & the Gang song) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Subject is not mentioned in target -1ctinus📝🗨 22:26, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Speako
[edit]seems to refer to speech errors in general, and not just spoonerisms. opinions? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:41, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Bames jond
[edit]- Bames jond → Spoonerism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
BAMES NOND'S HAVING A STRONK. on an unrelated note, this specific spoonerism isn't mentioned in the target, or anywhere for that matter, but might still be a plausible-ish misspelling of james bond cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:36, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Deak welete: gets occasional views, but I'm unsure if that qualifies as "people find it useful" (total 184 in the past nine years). All of those are from desktop, although I don't know why. Cremastra (talk) 16:21, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, not likely search term, no likely target. Utopes (talk / cont) 14:23, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
The BFG (1987 film)
[edit]- The BFG (1987 film) → The BFG (1989 film) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
apparently someone didn't mean to mean to deliberately spread a misconception that this film was released 2 years earlier by accident by accident. the year is mentioned once across all articles related to the big fucking giant, and not as this film's release date cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:52, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep there seems to be a slightly common misconception that this film was released in 1987, so much so that the article was moved to this title and then later a duplicate article was created here (presumably by someone who thought there were two films or the 1989 one was wrong). So people will look for it at this title, and the redirect will educate them that they are incorrect and it's a 1989 film and discourage the creation of a duplicate article. Thryduulf (talk) 14:00, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Squeezel
[edit]created as the "vietnamese word for porcupine". if wiktionary is to be trusted, it's not cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:22, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Cogsan: Please don't forget to notify the creator of the redirect. I've done that now. CycloneYoris talk! 19:04, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- oh, they're still active. neat. thanks cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:35, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- My first thought was this.
- It appears to be from something from Anthony Bourdain: No Reservations [13][14]. So that at least explains it, and I don't see it sreferring to anything else. There is a mention (with a different spelling) at Anthony Bourdain: No Reservations#Vietnam, so I would suggest retargetting there; since it links to the correct species (the Malayan porcupine). Cremastra (talk) 23:37, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sounds good to me. -Kaz (talk) 00:58, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Ilspile
[edit]apparently an extremely archaic synonym. not mentioned in the target, or wiktionary, or... really, any reliable source i could find. one dictionary had an entry for this word as a redirect to "porcupine", so at least that means the word exists in some language, but that entry was buried under a bunch of hedgehog costume sales (all written in some indecipherable glyphs for some reason). all of this is to say that i don't think the term sees common enough usage to warrant a redirect cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:16, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Seems to refer to hedgehog more the porcupine, [15], [16], [17], so retarget there. Cremastra (talk) 23:40, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget based on the sources found by Cremastra. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 23:47, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Multiplicities
[edit]- Multiplicities → Multiplicity (mathematics) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unclear that this plural form would not be ambiguous the same way as Multiplicity. 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:47, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The term is used in other disciplines but mathematics is by far the primary topic in my search results. A hatnote to the dab will suffice for those looking for other things. Thryduulf (talk) 18:34, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Is its use in other disciplines a carefully defined technical term belonging to those disciplines (as it is in mathematics) or is it just an ordinary word used in English? If the latter, then Multiplicity (mathematics) seems like the right target. Unless the page is to be moved to Multiplicity, in which case, if necessary, a hatnote could either direct the user to a disambiguation page or say "For the number of belly buttons a person has, see Multiplicity (omphalology)." Michael Hardy (talk) 22:33, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Relisting comment: Notified of this discussion at the suggested potential target Multiplicity.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 14:06, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- I don't know how "multiplicities" is used in other disciplines, but equally I don't know how that is relevant? The primary topic for the plural is very clearly the mathematical use, but that topic is correctly titled in the singular, therefore the status quo is correct. Thryduulf (talk) 14:03, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to DAB, the term "multiplicities" only appears once in Multiplicity (mathematics) but also appears in Multiplicity (chemistry) and in a footnote at Multiplicity (philosophy) and while Google does return the mathematics Wikipedia article first it also returns the philosophy article and I don't think like Orange v Oranges there is much of a difference between the singular v plural to have different targets per WP:PLURALPT. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:39, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Ragg tuning fork
[edit]- Ragg tuning fork → Tuning fork (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
that's apparently some brand that produces tuning forks. not mentioned in the target, doesn't seem like there's anything reliable regarding it cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:09, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, it is a brand but from what I can tell it seems to be one of, if not the, most notable manufacturer of tuning forks with at least two apparently reliable sources discussing it in depth [18] and [19] so there would be no verifiability issues with adding a mention. Whether a mention would be due or not I don't know, but I can't say for certain it wouldn't be. The redirect is getting suprisingly many views (over 100 this year), at least some of those will be because it's linked at rock gong but whether that's responsible for all of them I can't say (if the redirect is deleted that link must be updated). Thryduulf (talk) 14:33, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- weird place to put what's effectively an ad (or mistaking "ragg" as being part of the name), but i won't question it cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:54, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
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The greatest star cast ever assembled– the greatest story ever told
[edit]- The greatest star cast ever assembled– the greatest story ever told → Sholay (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Seems both too long and incredibly specific to the point where I can't see it being used. Zippybonzo | talk | contribs (they/them) 12:08, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Sholay is likely the most popular Indian film ever, and everything from its marketing taglines to dialogues to even the names of minor characters are familiar with everyday people (the FA is pretty indepth about this). It includes this as well. Gotitbro (talk) 12:39, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Gotitbro. voorts (talk/contributions) 18:55, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment While I would tend to agree with the nom, it's too new to tell. If it's useful, it will be used. Time will tell and the stats will reflect whether it's useful or not. ButlerBlog (talk) 21:10, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Margaretville station
[edit]- Margaretville station → Delaware and Northern Railroad (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention at target. Perhaps there's a better target? Redirect is a result of an AFD discussion but I can't see the logic in redirecting to an article that doesn't contain any material on the search term. TarnishedPathtalk 09:12, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- This is part of why I originally nominated the article for deletion. It is completely uncited, which makes merging a non-option. despite it being closed as merge. Thus, I used the other consensus, and redirected.
- Kingsmasher678 (talk) 13:33, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: per nom, but does the station even meet WP:NOTE? The only notable thing mentioned is an AMWAY and it's an WP:EASTEREGG. Unless I'm missing something it's a long demolished train station in a tiny town. This isn't really relevant to the official procedure, but I've got family in the area and Margaretville is lovely but tiny, even when the station existed it probably wasn't particularly notable. ~ Argenti Aertheri(Chat?) 20:15, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
ETDA
[edit]- ETDA → Ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This redirect was created as an obvious typo of the common name of the chemical, EDTA. However, "ETDA" has two legitimate meanings - the Electronic Trade Documents Act (2023) (see UNCITRAL Model Law on Electronic Transferable Records), and the Electronic Transactions Development Agency (see Surangkana Wayuparb). Neither of these has its own article, but the UK legislation, at least, has the potential to merit one. A standard {{redirect}} on the EDTA page is a possibility, but the resulting text will be long and potentially disruptive. My suggestion is therefore to add an ETDA section to EDTA (disambiguation) with entries for the UK law and the Thai government agency, but I don't know if this is fully compliant with our rules on DAB pages, and would like to discuss it before taking unilateral action. Tevildo (talk) 00:15, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect - I think it should be redirected to one of the two article's subsections, with a {{Redirect-distinguish}} template added to the other article. I would rather this than maintaining the continued redirection to EDTA/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid that I had originally set up in 2007, 17 years ago when there were fewer overall articles on en.wikipedia, and there was a greater need to redirect such typos. My preference would be for Electronic Transactions Development Agency, as it actually uses the 'ETDA' acronym within the article (and as a section heading), while Electronic Trade Documents Act (2023) does not use 'ETDA' as an acronym within the UNCITRAL Model Law on Electronic Transferable Records article. Wiz9999 (talk) 09:07, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Real people
[edit]- Real people → Real People (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
"Real people" is a very vague phrase. Usually, it would refer to people that are also real. However, the current target is also quite surprising. I suggest retargeting to either people or Real People (disambiguation). Duckmather (talk) 21:31, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I took the liberty of tagging the redirect as {{r from ambiguous}}, that's all that needed doing. Paradoctor (talk) 22:23, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Paradoctor: that tag is not correct as things stand: it should only be used for redirects to disambiguation pages but it currently targets an article. If the current target (a TV series) is kept it is a {{R from incorrect capitalisation}}, which I've replaced it with. Thryduulf (talk) 13:09, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- So what tag do we use to indicate the term's ambiguity? Because that is needed. {{r from ambiguous term to primary topic}}? Paradoctor (talk) 19:12, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- If there is a primary topic it is not ambiguous, the redirect should point to that article and links to the redirect do not need disambiguating. Use {{R to other capitalisation}}, {{R from modification}}, etc, etc. depending what fits.
- If there is no primary topic the redirect should lead to a disambiguation page and links to it do need disambiguating. Use {{R from ambiguous term}}. Thryduulf (talk) 13:47, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
If there is a primary topic it is not ambiguous
Ok, so "Real people" can mean the TV series Real People, but not, say, Real People (album)? Paradoctor (talk) 19:01, 31 August 2024 (UTC)- No. I'm saying that if there is a primary topic for "Real people" then the redirect should lead to that primary topic and not all links to the redirect need to be disambiguated. However if there is no primary topic then the redirect should point to the disambiguation page and all links will need to be disambiguated. I am not expressing any opinion about which alternative is correct, just that the Rcat needs to match the status quo, which is a redirect to a single topic. Thryduulf (talk) 19:34, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- If "Real people" can mean either of Real People or Real People (album), then "Real people" is ambiguous, and needs to be tagged as such. That is the question I had asked you:
So what tag do we use to indicate the term's ambiguity?
Or did I cross some mirror along the way? Paradoctor (talk) 20:19, 31 August 2024 (UTC)- There is no tag to indicate the ambiguity of a redirect that targets anything other than a disambiguation page. In the same way there is nothing in the metadata to indicate that Real People is ambiguous. Thryduulf (talk) 22:02, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Well, that seems to be a problem, then, ain't it? Paradoctor (talk) 22:34, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Why? All it would tell you is "some incoming links might be for the wrong target", but that's true for every page. It doesn't tell you that a separate disambiguation page exists (because a single hatnote might cover all the other uses) or, if it does, what title it is at. Thryduulf (talk) 00:01, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
that's true for every page
🤦 Paradoctor (talk) 01:50, 1 September 2024 (UTC)- I don't understand your comment. Every page on Wikipedia, whether the title is ambiguous or not, that has incoming links might have some that are not actually intended for that page. Not wanting the primary topic is one reason (whether the link is via a redirect or direct to the article), but content being moved or removed, misunderstanding, misconceptions, vandalism, typos, misclicking the wrong entry in a list, intending a topic that hasn't been written (possibly due to non-notability), and possibly other reasons all exist too. Thryduulf (talk) 11:54, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
I don't understand your comment.
Let's just say I'm tired, and leave it at that. Paradoctor (talk) 12:22, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't understand your comment. Every page on Wikipedia, whether the title is ambiguous or not, that has incoming links might have some that are not actually intended for that page. Not wanting the primary topic is one reason (whether the link is via a redirect or direct to the article), but content being moved or removed, misunderstanding, misconceptions, vandalism, typos, misclicking the wrong entry in a list, intending a topic that hasn't been written (possibly due to non-notability), and possibly other reasons all exist too. Thryduulf (talk) 11:54, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Why? All it would tell you is "some incoming links might be for the wrong target", but that's true for every page. It doesn't tell you that a separate disambiguation page exists (because a single hatnote might cover all the other uses) or, if it does, what title it is at. Thryduulf (talk) 00:01, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Well, that seems to be a problem, then, ain't it? Paradoctor (talk) 22:34, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- There is no tag to indicate the ambiguity of a redirect that targets anything other than a disambiguation page. In the same way there is nothing in the metadata to indicate that Real People is ambiguous. Thryduulf (talk) 22:02, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- If "Real people" can mean either of Real People or Real People (album), then "Real people" is ambiguous, and needs to be tagged as such. That is the question I had asked you:
- No. I'm saying that if there is a primary topic for "Real people" then the redirect should lead to that primary topic and not all links to the redirect need to be disambiguated. However if there is no primary topic then the redirect should point to the disambiguation page and all links will need to be disambiguated. I am not expressing any opinion about which alternative is correct, just that the Rcat needs to match the status quo, which is a redirect to a single topic. Thryduulf (talk) 19:34, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- So what tag do we use to indicate the term's ambiguity? Because that is needed. {{r from ambiguous term to primary topic}}? Paradoctor (talk) 19:12, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Paradoctor: that tag is not correct as things stand: it should only be used for redirects to disambiguation pages but it currently targets an article. If the current target (a TV series) is kept it is a {{R from incorrect capitalisation}}, which I've replaced it with. Thryduulf (talk) 13:09, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Real People (disambiguation). Too vague to refer to People since it could also refer to Person. Not all people/persons are "real". WP:DIFFCAPS definitely applies here to retarget the lowercase variant away from the current target, and to allow readers to figure out what they are intending to find when typing the lowercase variant. (Heck, I'd go as far as to say the current de facto primary topic at Real People needs to be displaced to move Real People (disambiguation) to that title, but that's a discussion for another day.) Steel1943 (talk) 16:50, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to disambiguation per the above. Cremastra (talk) 17:54, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as a {{r from miscapitalization}}. All of the items on the disambiguation page are proper names, so this should point to the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for the title. If the community decides there is no primary topic and moves the disambiguation page, this should still point to the base title. - Eureka Lott 20:46, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- The monkey wrench that I'm going to throw into that statement is that Realpeople uses a lowercase "p". Steel1943 (talk) 22:59, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Hypeicane
[edit]not a word, it seems. results gave me beer and "hype hurricanes" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:50, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I don't know what the original intention was, but retargeting to hypercane as an {{r from typo}} seems reasonable. Paradoctor (talk) 21:04, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- On a keyboard, I is three keys across from R. Not aware of any other keyboard layouts that have R and I next to eachother. mwwv converse∫edits 13:13, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not all typos come from greasy fingers. For example, some people are prone to snooperisms Paradoctor (talk) 19:15, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- ...nah, i think this one's just a skill issue. really hard to rationalize cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 04:32, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- There is nothing to "rationalize", only for you to realize that there's more to things than the limited set of preconceptions that constitute your factory setting. Sheesh. FYI, I'm one of those for whom "typo" means more than base motor issues. Paradoctor (talk) 05:13, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- i mean, if we don't even know what word this is supposed to be a typo of... cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:41, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- You're not hearing me. You still presume that the only possible way of producing typos is greasy fingers. Which has been refuted. Paradoctor (talk) 02:36, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- i am hearing you, but i can't think of any possible case in which someone would input i instead of r. spoonerisms are out of the question since that's not what a spoonerism is (for starters, it would require that either word have an i and no r). fat fingers are out of the question unless someone theoretically has a keyboard not even half the size of their palm (in which case fair enough, but you really need a bigger one), greasy fingers are out of the question because there's a t key right next to r just begging to lick them clean, hitting your keyboard with a baseball bat is a bad idea, don't do that (also it's unlikely to land on the i and no other letter), and deliberately using different letters relative to their location on the keyboard or alphabet (but only halfway through, and presumably for one letter), because trying any form of consistent pattern only gave me hypeisfcv and hypeixefu. there's also the issue of it apparently being a "related term" (as in probably not a typo) to hyperbole, but results only gave me this redirect, and circular logic is something best kept in adult swim shows
- if you have some idea of what this could theoretically be that can't be compared to calling a song in 4/4 a waltz, i would really appreciate it cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:01, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
i can't think
- I rest my case. Paradoctor (talk) 13:32, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Cogsan: Just because you don't make that particular typo does not mean nobody does. For example, possibly the most common typo I make is "musuem" for "museum", that is not due to fat fingers or greasy fingers, but I assure you it is a typo. Additionally, QWERTY keyboards are not the only input method. Thryduulf (talk) 13:59, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- there's a difference between "musuem" and "hypeicane"; musuem just switches two letters of a word around. it's plausible if you're typing a little too fast. hypeicane, assuming it's just a typo of hypercane, which the creator seemingly did not think was the case, switches a letter for another letter that is not even normally in that word, and isn't close enough to r to justify a misinput, close enough to p to justify a... misinput (there really has to be a better word), or phonetically similar enough to justify a mishearing
- as for the keyboard layouts, i checked every single layout mentioned on wikipedia to make that claim, and the only ones that have i close enough to p or r to justify any plausible form of misspelling are bépo and dvorak, and if you want to argue that an apparently obscure french layout and a layout designed with the specific intention of reducing errors (though its effectivity in that area is debated) could justify that, then go ahead, i guess cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:19, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- You're not hearing me. You still presume that the only possible way of producing typos is greasy fingers. Which has been refuted. Paradoctor (talk) 02:36, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- i mean, if we don't even know what word this is supposed to be a typo of... cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:41, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- There is nothing to "rationalize", only for you to realize that there's more to things than the limited set of preconceptions that constitute your factory setting. Sheesh. FYI, I'm one of those for whom "typo" means more than base motor issues. Paradoctor (talk) 05:13, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- ...nah, i think this one's just a skill issue. really hard to rationalize cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 04:32, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not all typos come from greasy fingers. For example, some people are prone to snooperisms Paradoctor (talk) 19:15, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- On a keyboard, I is three keys across from R. Not aware of any other keyboard layouts that have R and I next to eachother. mwwv converse∫edits 13:13, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Talmeeh
[edit]![Delete](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/White_x_in_red_rounded_square.svg/16px-White_x_in_red_rounded_square.svg.png)
Saint Boy
[edit]- Saint Boy → Modern pentathlon at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention in the target article. Pelmeen10 (talk) 18:42, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Appears to be the name of a horse used by both Annika Schleu and Gulnaz Gubaydullina. It's mentioned at both of their articles, but I think search results are best as neither article has more info than the other. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 20:45, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and add that information to the article. If neither has more info than the other, then the appropriate place to link is the event page where both competitors are listed. --Habst (talk) 13:14, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- How can you vote "keep" if such info is not added? Info should come before redirect. Pelmeen10 (talk) 17:50, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Pelmeen10, redirect discussions are not votes; see WP:NOTAVOTE. I didn't just vote to keep, I am recommending to both keep and add the info to the article, not one without the other. I don't mind in which order it's done. --Habst (talk) 23:35, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- How can you vote "keep" if such info is not added? Info should come before redirect. Pelmeen10 (talk) 17:50, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per Presidentman, unless useful content is made available at the current target. Jay 💬 15:09, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Annika Schleu#2020 Tokyo Olympics, which is where the horse is mentioned. According to the content there, that particular horse's performance and athlete Schleu's treatment of it were the catalyst for the decision to officially drop equestrian from the modern pentathlon. [20][21] The decision to drop equestrian from the sport is mentioned in the article Modern pentathlon, but not the horse itself. The horse will likely continue being mentioned in Annika Schleu because that is when/where/how the incident with the horse happened. If later the horse gets mentioned in Modern pentathlon, then the redirect can be changed. Until then, it should point to Annika Schleu#2020 Tokyo Olympics. The current target (Modern pentathlon at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's) is not the appropriate place. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 16:47, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Better yet, add {{Anchor|Saint Boy}} just under § 2020 Tokyo Olympics, and redirect to Annika Schleu#Saint Boy. That is how I would do it. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 16:51, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Why should it redirect to Annika Schleu and not Gulnaz Gubaydullina? Jay 💬 11:20, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Apparently, Schleu beat the horse, and her trainer punched it. Gubaydullina, who also rode that horse, had not abused it. The abuses led to questioning whether horses should even be part of pentathlons, ultimately leading to the decision to drop horse riding from the sport. This information is covered in the Annika Schleu article, not Gulnaz Gubaydullina. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 21:41, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. It was not very clear when I read the Annika Schleu article. After your explanation, when I read it again, it became clear. I see there are some details in the trainer Kim Raisner's article which are not present in Annika Schleu. Jay 💬 07:52, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Apparently, Schleu beat the horse, and her trainer punched it. Gubaydullina, who also rode that horse, had not abused it. The abuses led to questioning whether horses should even be part of pentathlons, ultimately leading to the decision to drop horse riding from the sport. This information is covered in the Annika Schleu article, not Gulnaz Gubaydullina. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 21:41, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Comment: Seriously? It didn't need to be relisted. Can I just change it to point to Annika Schleu#2020 Tokyo Olympics? ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 02:34, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's not the current consensus. The ambiguity of the redirect seems to also leave deletion and retargeting to other locations as options. Thus, the relist ... need clearer consensus. Steel1943 (talk) 12:57, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- The best solution would be to have a summary of the incidents at the current target rather than just arbitrarily targeting one of the biographies where the horse is mentioned (Annika Schleu, Kim Raisner, Gulnaz Gubaydullina). -- Tavix (talk) 13:06, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Surely you mean Modern pentathlon § Replacement of riding with obstacle course racing and not the current target of Modern pentathlon at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's which has zero content about the horse, the riders or the incident! However, the details of Annika Schleu's involvement, including the mention of the horse's name, is irrelevant to the broader subject of removing riding from the pentathlon. So its location within article Annika Schleu is appropriate since that is the horse Schleu was sanctioned for abusing. The horse itself is not notable. I'm sure there's a redirect solely for when someone wants to search... "I remember something about a horse named Saint Boy in the pentathlon. What was that?" ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 16:01, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- No, I meant exactly what I said. The incidents regarding Saint Boy occurred during Modern pentathlon at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's, so there should be a write up at that page of what happened. I am aware that has not yet been added. -- Tavix (talk) 16:01, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Surely you mean Modern pentathlon § Replacement of riding with obstacle course racing and not the current target of Modern pentathlon at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's which has zero content about the horse, the riders or the incident! However, the details of Annika Schleu's involvement, including the mention of the horse's name, is irrelevant to the broader subject of removing riding from the pentathlon. So its location within article Annika Schleu is appropriate since that is the horse Schleu was sanctioned for abusing. The horse itself is not notable. I'm sure there's a redirect solely for when someone wants to search... "I remember something about a horse named Saint Boy in the pentathlon. What was that?" ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 16:01, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Eumephism
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Code phrase
[edit]vague? could refer to passwords or code words, for starters cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:33, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to code word (figure of speech) appears right, with a hatnote to passphrase. Euphemism is way too broad to serve as target. Paradoctor (talk) 21:17, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Per Paradoctor, "euphemisim" is too broad and imprecise; code word (a disambiguation page) seems to cover all the options here, and is my preferred new target, rather than trying to cover contingencies with hatnotes. "Hooray, hooray, for the spinster's sister's daughter!" Cremastra (talk) 17:58, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Minister for Cities
[edit]- Minister for Cities → Minister for Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development and Local Government#List of ministers for cities (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Minister for cities → Cabinet Office#Ministers and Civil Servants (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not sure if this is the best target as Minister for Cities (Australia) exists - also not sure if that is the best title for that article either. I'm not familiar with the recent political cabinet reshuffling so there might be content forking between the current target and Minister for Cities (Australia). Fork99 (talk) 02:29, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Minister for Cities (Australia) since that article is no longer a redirect in and of itself. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 02:35, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- When I created the redirect (Minister for Cities), I wasn't aware that the Minister for Cities (Australia) page existed already. In that case, I am happy for the redirect to be deleted straight up or redirect to Minister for Cities (Australia). Marcnut1996 (talk) 03:32, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree – if that's the primary topic, it should be moved to the title "Minister for Cities", and if it's not the primary topic then "Minister for Cities" shouldn't redirect there. jlwoodwa (talk) 22:38, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note I've added the lowercase Minister for cities redirect to this discussion as they should both lead to the same place. The target section of that redirect no longer mentions a minister for cities though. Thryduulf (talk) 09:07, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Set index this and similar titles seem to be created regularly in different parts of the world with none obviously primary. In a few minutes searching I found all the following:
- City Minister,
- Regional minister#Developments since 2010
- Minister for Planning (New South Wales)#Cities
- Minister for Cities (Australia)
- Minister for the Environment and Water (Australia)#List of ministers for cities and the built environment
- Angus Taylor (politician)#Assistant Minister for Cities and Digital Transformation
- Minister for Cities and Rural Areas (mentioned at Frederiksen II Cabinet#List of ministers)
- Minister for Cities, Urban Infrastructure and Population (mentioned at First Morrison ministry#Outer ministry
- Minister for cities and urban development (Cote D'Ivoire, mentioned at François Amichia)
- State Secretary for Cities (mentioned at Borne government#State Secretaries)
- Cabinet Secretary for Health, Wellbeing and Cities Strategy and a "Minister for cities" (mentioned at Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Scotland)
- (some might be duplicates, I've run out of time to sort and sanitise). Thryduulf (talk) 09:21, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. The UK had a Minister from Cities from 2011-15, before the post was merged into other ministries, see Regional_minister#Developments_since_2010. The UK also has the similarly named City Minister (2008-present), which is actually responsible for the City of London financial district not cities, but could easily be confused. Thryduulf has found several other similarly named positions in other countries. So while the Australian post might be the extant position that most closely matches the exact redirect phrasing, it would be better if both capitalisations led to a Minister for Cities (disambiguation) page. Modest Genius talk 10:33, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- I suggest moving Minister for Cities (Australia) → Minister for Cities and moving Minister for Cities → Minister for Cities (disambiguation). The Australian portfolio (being extant) is the primary topic. --DilatoryRevolution (talk) 08:17, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate/set indexify per Thryduulf and Modest Genius. Term is too generic for a primary topic redirect to a specific position. C F A 💬 21:56, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Note: A requested move was made regarding these redirects and procedurally closed + no consensus because this discussion is ongoing; permalink: Special:Permalink/1240763459. Fork99 (talk) 10:16, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. There is also a Ministry of Cities in Brazil. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:08, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Opinions seems split between creating a disambiguation page at the base title, or claiming Minister for Cities (Australia) is the primary topic. (Either way, seems a disambiguation page needs to be created somewhere ... but is that "somewhere" the base title or a title ending with "(disambiguation)"?)
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Sarcasm Kills
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Sarcastive
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Sacrcastic comment
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MetaphoR
[edit]no idea, no comment, delete. was created as a draft seemingly before the article cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:06, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:RFD#K4 as a very old WP:CAMEL redirect. Early articles here required CamelCase titles. - Eureka Lott 21:41, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per EurekaLott, this dates from the very first month of Wikipedia's existence. Page histories that old can look confusing to modern eyes but there is nothing odd here. Thryduulf (talk) 13:14, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Eureka. mwwv converse∫edits 13:17, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Weak delete. This may be a {{R with old history}}, but it's not a {{R from CamelCase}} (CamelCase) since "Metapho" and "R" are not separate words. Steel1943 (talk) 13:19, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- While technically not CamelCase in the usual sense, this is CamelCase in wiki jargon. Links required two capital letters separated by one or more lowercase letters, the convention was to capitalise the first and last letters of single-word titles, e.g. MetaphoR, PhysicS, DemocracY, WikipediA, etc. See also Wikipedia:CamelCase and Wikipedia. Thryduulf (talk) 13:30, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- gotta be honest, i don't get why those should be preserved. 2001 was at least 3 months ago (maybe even longer), and i don't believe this one would meet k4, as there's only one page that links to it for any reason besides this rfd nomination, and even then, it has a good number of already red links. i really can't think of any reason to keep this doom logo-style miscapitalization besides novelty, since nostalgia wikipedia is a copy cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:43, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Just because there is only one current revision on the English Wikipedia that links to it doesn't mean there is only one link to it. There is a good essay on this and how we should be good net citizens and avoid creating unnecessary link rot for others that I can't immediately find. This is one reason why R3 speedy deletion is limited to very new redirects. Thryduulf (talk) 14:33, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Greater Manchester bus route 17
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Roland Burris Burial Site
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Do your own research
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Multiplicity of a restricted root
[edit]- Multiplicity of a restricted root → Multiplicity (mathematics) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
"restricted root" is not mentioned at the target (and is only used a few times in the entire English Wikipedia's mainspace). 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:48, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not into mathematics, but searching gave me Plancherel theorem for spherical functions#Harish-Chandra's Plancherel theorem that has "α is called a restricted root and is called its multiplicity." Jay 💬 13:01, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- That does seem like an appropriate target, it looks like I've overlooked it. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:27, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's not really an appropriate target. A restricted root is an element of a root system of a semisimple Lie algebra, and its multiplicity is the dimension of the associated eigenspace. This has little to do with Harish-Chandra's theorem. I think Semisimple Lie algebra would be more appropriate. Tito Omburo (talk) 11:49, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- That does seem like an appropriate target, it looks like I've overlooked it. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:27, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Retarget to Semisimple Lie algebra as suggested by Tito Omburo. XOR'easter (talk) 23:22, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Unclear which target would be most suitable…
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3-3 duopyramid
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Sudan (South)
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Template:MBTI Instrument
[edit]- Template:MBTI Instrument → Myers–Briggs Type Indicator (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Three more template space redirects pointing to Myers–Briggs Type Indicator (added 12:40, 29 August 2024 (UTC))
- Template:MBTI Archetypes, was merged to Myers–Briggs Type Indicator
- Template:MBTI Cognitive Functions, was merged to ISTJ
- Template:Mtbi instrument, alias of Template:MBTI Instrument
A few years ago, this template became unused, and was redirected to the main MBTI article. Isn't the normal procedure for unused templates to be deleted? I don't see why one would do a redirect from template space to an article. 🤷 Paradoctor (talk) 01:45, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Do these need to be kept for attribution? --Un assiolo (talk) 15:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Super transformation (Sonic the Hedgehog)
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List of items in Sonic games
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Super Emeralds
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Ideal Grotesque(typeface)
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We was robbed
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Sonic timeline
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Australia 2032
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Automatic MatchMaker
[edit]- Automatic MatchMaker → Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
{{R from merge}} but no longer mentioned at the target at all. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:02, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Procedural relist to match date of nomination comment time stamp.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 14:17, 28 August 2024 (UTC)- oh, because it was made literally 2 minutes after the day rolled around. that's pretty funny
- i guess retarget to matchmaking (video games), since the name could refer to whatever flavor of matchmaking there cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:32, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:20, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Death Knight (Warcraft III)
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Third Great War
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King P
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King Porky
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Monsoon Revolution
[edit]- Monsoon Revolution → Non-cooperation movement (2024) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Non-cooperation movement (2024) is not known as "Monsoon Revolution". There is no source verify that. In that way, this redirect is WP:OR. Also Monsoon Revolution is the name of a book "Monsoon Revolution: Republicans, Sultans, and Empires in Oman, 1965-1976". Redirect this to the subject creates confusion. It needs to be deleted. Mehedi Abedin 04:49, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I found at least one source that is calling it "Monsoon Revolution". [22] Za-ari-masen (talk) 05:38, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The above source had been removed from the article. I also found the one I had originally heard this term used in [23] (just after the 4 minute mark in the audio) and added a note about the alternative name back to the intro of Non-cooperation movement (2024). Given that it has also been used for the Dhofar War (which is what the book is apparently about), perhaps this should be made into a disambiguation page between those two? -- Beland (talk) 06:47, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate: There are only three hits for the name that pertain to the NCM in Bangladesh. The name is used for other events as well as mentioned above. PadFoot (talk) 07:01, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate: In that case disambiguation is the better idea considering what Beland and PadFoot2008 said. Mehedi Abedin 07:16, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: It doesn't seem like this is the name that sticks. I did notice that an article was made entitled July 36 where it is said that that is what Bangladeshis calling the date of Sheikh Hasina's removal. I think we're seeing a scenario akin to the Revolution of Dignity in Ukraine. Image2012 (talk) 11:06, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Thermal enegy
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Fuzzy Wuzzy the Furbolg
[edit]- Fuzzy Wuzzy the Furbolg → Defence of the Ancients (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:02, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- The only hits on Google [24] are Wikipedia, which is never a good sign; other search engines [25] [26] [27] are no better. It appears "firbolgs" are a thing in D&D [28], but "Fuzzy Wuzzy the Firbolg" is no improvement [29].
- "Fuzzy Wuzzy" + "Defence of the Ancients" at least returns multiple results [30], although this includes at least two sketchy all-in-Cyrillic sites I decline to investigate further (and a surprising number of sites based from the Cocos (Keeling) Islands). Apparently Fuzzy Wuzzy is something [31] in Dota 2, a sequel to Defence of the Ancients.
- "Furbolg" is apparently something in Defence of the Ancients [32]. So "Fuzzy Wuzzy the Furbolg" may well be a thing, but it is very niche, and certainly not mentioned at the target, so I am leaning weak delete. Cremastra (talk) 22:45, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Fuzzy Wuzzy the Furbolg is an alternative name of the hero Ursa, which appears sometimes as an Easter egg. IznoPublic (talk) 00:18, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:22, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Undetharaya
[edit]- Undetharaya → Kunchitiga (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention at target page, nor anywhere within Wikipedia for that matter. Unable to find WP:GNG worthy mentions for original page as well. SmittenGalaxy | talk! 06:44, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Move without redirect to Unde Yattaraya which will help retain the page history as well. Jay 💬 08:39, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Delete per nom. In addition, I do not understand why we would move the edit history elsewhere to a title that differs from the current title by just a space if the redirect's utility either way is unhelpful. Steel1943 (talk) 22:35, 2 September 2024 (UTC)- Apparently, I did not compare the two titles correctly. Never mind. Steel1943 (talk) 20:12, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
2017 PGL Open Bucharest
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SL i-League Invitational Season 3
[edit] Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#SL i-League Invitational Season 3
Purgegamers
[edit]- Purgegamers → Dota 2#Media coverage (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Purge Gamers → Dota 2#Media coverage (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:05, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Kevin Godec after that article is restored. If that article survives this will be a useful redirect, if it's deleted at AfD this redirect will be eligible for G8 speedy deletion. There are no other targets I've found. Thryduulf (talk) 11:15, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per #Kevin Godec. -- Tavix (talk) 18:02, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Kevin Godec
[edit]- Kevin Godec → Dota 2#Media coverage (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:05, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Revert to the article without prejudice to AfD. This was BLARed in 2019 and a quick google search finds lots of sources post-dating that - I'm not immediately seeing anything clearly showing notability but someone who knows the topic area is better placed to judge (and to know where sources are likely to be found if they exist). Thryduulf (talk) 11:13, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Thryduulf's research showing a lack of notability. -- Tavix (talk) 14:52, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- My research does not show a lack of notability - it shows that the subject is neither clearly notable nor clearly not notable: more research is needed. I'm astounded by how often you manage to completely misinterpret my comments to say the opposite of what I intend when almost nobody else ever does. Thryduulf (talk) 16:48, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Then do more research and let us know what you find. I'm very amenable to restoring content that may be notable but you have not made such a case. -- Tavix (talk) 17:59, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- My research does not show a lack of notability - it shows that the subject is neither clearly notable nor clearly not notable: more research is needed. I'm astounded by how often you manage to completely misinterpret my comments to say the opposite of what I intend when almost nobody else ever does. Thryduulf (talk) 16:48, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Tavix. Good example of a research WP:WOOPS right there. Steel1943 (talk) 16:30, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Tavix has either misunderstood or mischaracterised my comment. My research does not demonstrate either notability or lack of notability, it demonstrates more research is needed. Thryduulf (talk) 16:48, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- I understood it. You have convinced me that we should go ahead and delete this redirect and not bother taking this to AfD. Steel1943 (talk) 16:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Your two most recent comments clearly indicate that you have not understood. Thryduulf (talk) 18:37, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- I understood it. You have convinced me that we should go ahead and delete this redirect and not bother taking this to AfD. Steel1943 (talk) 16:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Tavix has either misunderstood or mischaracterised my comment. My research does not demonstrate either notability or lack of notability, it demonstrates more research is needed. Thryduulf (talk) 16:48, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Revert per Thryduulf. Cremastra (talk) 22:47, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- would returning to red be a good idea? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not without a discussion at AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 10:11, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Major All Stars
[edit]- Major All Stars → Dota 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Major All Stars Season 1 → Dota 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Revert Major All Stars, merge the article in the history of Major All Stars season 1 into it and redirect the latter to the former, all without prejudice to AfD. I'm seeing a lot of hits that post-date the 2017 BLAR that make this at least worth discussing - especially as there are at least two baseball teams (about which we don't even have a mention) with the name that need filtering out of search results. Thryduulf (talk) 11:19, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, I did some digging and I'm not seeing any reliable sourcing on this. I'm happy to reconsider if sourcing is found. -- Tavix (talk) 15:42, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- I strongly oppose deletion of the article content without an AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 16:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Then provide evidence showing why this may be notable. -- Tavix (talk) 17:53, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- I strongly oppose deletion of the article content without an AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 16:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Let's not clutter AfD. There is zero chance this survives. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:26, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
List of Dota 2 heroes
[edit]- List of Dota 2 heroes → Dota 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- List of Dota 2 Heroes → Dota 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Target contains no such list. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per WP:NOTGAMEGUIDE. There's always a proper wiki for that in-game list. Ahri Boy (talk) 01:51, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Ahri Boy: That's not a basis for speedy deletion. See WP:NOTCSD#1. SilverLocust 💬 06:49, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: The redirect was per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Dota 2 Heroes. Even at the time, there was not a list at that target (permalink), just a mention of
111 "Hero" characters
with a primary ref:"Heroes". Valve Corporation. Retrieved February 13, 2015.
SilverLocust 💬 07:01, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:25, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Kunkka the Admiral
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Priestess of the Moon
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Moon Rider
[edit]- Moon Rider → Defense of the Ancients (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Could maybe be repointed to Moonriders or The Moon Riders, but those don't seem likely to be singularized. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig (drafted below the redirect). This is the title of multiple books and songs, etc. Thryduulf (talk) 11:41, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Krobelus
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Drow Ranger
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Templar Assassin
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Defense of the Ancients under Linux
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Death Prophet
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Doat
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Terrorblade
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Banehallow
[edit] Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#Banehallow
List of Allusions in DoTA
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Virtual virus
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Dae Hui Cho
[edit]- Dae Hui Cho → Warcraft III in esports (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed, neither he nor his gaming name FoV are there. I'd delete... And the rest of the target looks crufty these days. IznoPublic (talk) 03:09, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. The article in the history of this redirect is a copy of the one deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dae Hui Cho in 2011. I've not looked to see if he has become notable since then. Thryduulf (talk) 12:06, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:28, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Warcraft: Anthology Vol. 1
[edit]- Warcraft: Anthology Vol. 1 → Warcraft: The Sunwell Trilogy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Warcraft#Manga per commentary at #Warcraft: Legends. IznoPublic (talk) 02:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- ...The redirect is not mentioned at Warcraft#Manga though. Looking through the page a bit, I don't see how anyone looking up this term could refer to any specific subject on that page. Steel1943 (talk) 20:16, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Warcraft: Legends
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Pre-MoP
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Worldbreaker
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World of Warcraft: Worldbreaker
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Pre-Cata
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Pre-Cataclysm
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Pre-WotLK
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Terrokar Forest
[edit] Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 5#Terrokar Forest
World of Warcraft Radio
[edit]- World of Warcraft Radio → World of Warcraft#Community and study of player interaction (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- This one I guess. A delete here seems fine, no one is served by this redirect living here. IznoPublic (talk) 02:48, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Player Test Realm
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Shadow Priest
[edit]- Shadow Priest → World of Warcraft (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Mentioned in passing in a few random places but without anywhere near enough substance to warrant a redirect, meaning this is best left to search. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- A shadow priest is a priest classes specced into shadow talents, so the better target would be Gameplay of World of Warcraft#Characters which glosses over the system of talent trees. Though it's not mentioned there as a specific detail of the general points, I think a retarget would be fine. IznoPublic (talk) 02:38, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Multiple fictional worlds feature shadow priests, none of which have any coverage at en.wp. There is an article in the history of this redirect but it would be speedily deletable under A7 if restored so we're fine to delete it here. Thryduulf (talk) 12:15, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and Thryduulf. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:32, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Footman Frenzy
[edit]- Footmen Frenzy → Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Footmen frenzy → Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Huh? * Pppery * it has begun... 00:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Pppery: Apparently this was a thing - a game-within-the-game that once had a substantial (but basically unsourced) article. See here, here, here. In other words, a thing that exists, may be worth a mention, but can not support an article of its own. BD2412 T 01:30, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes indeed, a popular custom game and perhaps worth a mention, but as it's not mentioned now, delete. It was not a particularly important one at the end of the day, unlike DotA's leading what became the MOBA genre, so I don't anticipate being added any time soon. IznoPublic (talk) 02:35, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and IznoPublic. --Un assiolo (talk) 15:33, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
The Hoards of Pride
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Blademaster (Warcraft)
[edit] Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#Blademaster (Warcraft)
Orc Gladiators
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Automatic MatchMaker
[edit] Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 28#Automatic MatchMaker
Death Knight (Warcraft III)
[edit] Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 28#Death Knight (Warcraft III)
Third Great War
[edit] Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 28#Third Great War
2025 UK general election
[edit]- 2025 UK general election → 2024 United Kingdom general election (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- 2025 United Kingdom general election → 2024 United Kingdom general election (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Implausible Redirect Blethering Scot 22:32, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Made slightly more sense when the date wasn't announced. Doesn't make sense anymore. Eastwood Park and strabane (talk) 22:59, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of United Kingdom general elections. Deletion would be fine, too. The only truly bad option is the current situation. On the off chance that there was a general UK election in 2025 (which is possible, if unlikely, as I understand it), this would be even worse! —mako๛ 12:03, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- The most recent general election had to be held in or before January 2025, and there was much media speculation that it would be held at the latest possible date. This people searching for this title is entirely plausible. When to call a general election is (for practical purposes) entirely the prerogative of the prime minister, as long as one is held within 5 years of the most recent one, i.e. 2029 (although there is a minimum notice period, I think its about 25 days, for logistical reasons). This means that we cannot say there will not be a general election in 2025 until in theory 1 December 2025 as UK elections are always held on a Thursday and 25 December is the last Thursday in 2025 - although as there would have to be some truly extraordinary reason to hold an election on Christmas Day in reality the deadlines would be at least 1 week earlier. This does leave a problem of where best to target this redirect, and I think that unless and until a general election is called for 2025 (which currently looks unlikely, but a week is a long time in politics) that retarget to List of general elections in the United Kingdom#21st century is the best we can do. Someone will learn there that the isn't currently one scheduled for that year and find a link to the 2024 election if that is what they looking for. Ideally there would also be a link to Next United Kingdom general election, but there isn't currently. Thryduulf (talk) 15:58, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of general elections in the United Kingdom#21st century per thryduulf. (I've bundled 2025 United Kingdom general election into this RFD - this was previously discussed at RFD with a no consensus - but this was discussed before the election took place). BugGhost🦗👻 12:47, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The current target discusses that the date was potentially to be in 2025. Oppose retarget to List of United Kingdom general elections#21st century, that list does not contain any information about a (potential) 2025 general election. Next United Kingdom general election does not even mention the year 2025. -- Tavix (talk) 14:16, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Relisting comment: One more try - delete, retarget or keep as is?
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- Keep Tavix talks with sanity on this point Not intended to disparage other participants in any way! Just that I feel Tavix has the right approach. I do way more reading than editing, so let me provide a reader's perspective on how I (and, I suspect, others) interact with Wikipedia as readers. I live in the UK so I know full well the year of the election, but let's imagine I didn't: Perhaps I live somewhere far away, or perhaps the year is 2034 and I just can't remember. I come across an article discussing the possibility of a 2025 election, such as this one in the New Statesman. To put what I'm reading into its appropriate historical context the first thing I wanna do is find out when the election was actually held. What do I put into the Wikipedia search box? 2025 UK general election seems like a decent bet. Not only does this redirect take me to the information I want, the page it leads to does in fact contain a discussion about the timing with an entire section called "Date of the election". Perfect, just what I as a reader am looking for. My only question is if we would be best to leave the redirect exactly as it is, or should we retarget it specificallly to the date section? 78.149.135.163 (talk) 19:53, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Za'ura
[edit]The current target was created today. Until then it targetted Zoora, which has a footnote stating that Za'ura is an alternative romanisation. It's not immediately clear to me whether one topic is primary (in which case there should be a hatnote to the other) or whether a disambig should be primary. I've not immediately found any other possible targets but my searching hasn't been as extensive as I'd like (I'm running low on time).
Courtesy ping to those who've commented at ANI: @Supreme Deliciousness, Primefac, and Selfstudier:. Thryduulf (talk) 21:40, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- If the alternate romanisation is correct, then I would advocate for reversing the retargeting and restore the Zoora link; that subject is well-sourced and likely more notable than a nonexistent historical village in Syria. Primefac (talk) 23:20, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Dab. For the saint, see here. Srnec (talk) 03:00, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Move Za'ura, Syria → Za'ura, as there does not seem to be a need to disambiguate (are there other locations in the world with that same name?). Use WP:hatnotes in the two articles, Za'ura and Zoora. The two articles have similar pronounciations, but not the same. Hence, there is no need for a disambiguation page. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 20:55, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Pronunciation is irrelevant. Both articles could be titled "Za'ura" so disambiguation of some sort is required. The question is whether that should be a hatnote from the primary topic or a primary disambiguation page. To answer that question we need to know whether one or the other is the primary topic for people searching "Za'ura" and from my searches there doesn't appear to be, although Google refusing to distinguish between "Za'ura" and "za ura" is not helpful. Thryduulf (talk) 11:09, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- I created Za'ura, Syria. Dont really have an opinion. There is very little info about the village. Maybe the redirect should go to Zoora. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 22:01, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Is there a primary topic?
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List of Strogg in Quake II
[edit]- List of Strogg in Quake II → Quake II (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
not present in the target cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:31, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Revert without prejudice to AfD or merge per WP:BLAR. The only discussion I've found is from 2006 where one editor suggested a merge and a second editor disagreed. That's very obviously not consensus. Thryduulf (talk) 14:45, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per my comments at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 13#List of Strogg in Quake 4. -- Tavix (talk) 18:22, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The article was redirected in 2007 and then again in 2009. If the subject is not mentioned anywhere, then this thing should be deleted, considering the existence of an article about the subject of this redirect is a clear WP:NOTGUIDE violation. Steel1943 (talk) 18:31, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- One person redirected it both times, without discussion. The only discussion (if you can call exactly two comments a discussion) that has been had (as far as I've found) came to no consensus. That's not close to consensus to delete - especially as the suggested action was merging not deletion. Lists of elements from notable works are frequently notable and don't violate NOTGUIDE. Whether this list is notable is a question for AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 02:16, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Back then, Wikipedia was flooded with WP:NOTGUIDE and WP:NOTFANDOM violations related to video games. Since then, Wikipedia has evolved to not include or encourage the creation of articles that are against such policies. Restoring this article for any reason would be regression. Steel1943 (talk) 13:33, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- on top of what steel said, i haven't found anything specifying that this has to be done in afd, as opposed to here. buuuut chances are i haven't looked hard enough, so eh. the point still stands that doing this would only result in something being discussed and found worthy of deletion twice in a row, and go against previously established consensus that those kinds of redirects are usually deleted right away cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:46, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- By definition, any redirect (which this is) can be deleted at RfD. Thryduulf's understanding is incorrect. -- Tavix (talk) 22:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- That would allow anybody to delete an article by unilaterally redirecting it to a random target and then nominating it here, which is why disputed BLARs are reverted and sent to AfD for discussion. This is a disputed BLAR. Thryduulf (talk) 13:44, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- ...and every time someone unilaterally redirects something to a random target and subsequently nominates it here, they get reverted. That's not the case here, this page has long been stable as a redirect. -- Tavix (talk) 13:55, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- There is no recency requirement for any of this. We don't speedy delete article content just because it's old, if someone thinks it should be deleted it gets discussed at AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 14:07, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- For pages that are redirects, if someone thinks it should be deleted it gets discussed at RfD. If you want this to be discussed at AfD, you should make a compelling argument that the content may be notable. -- Tavix (talk) 14:11, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- again, where did the "speedy" part come from? if i wanted speedy deletion because i thought it applied to one or more of the criteria, i would have tagged it as such, as opposed to taking it to rfd cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:20, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- The only justifications for deleting article content at a venue other than AfD are if it meets a speedy deletion criterion or if it has previously been discussed with a consensus that it shouldn't be an article. Deleting at RfD is equivalent to reversing the redirect and then speedy deleting the article - which would obviously be out of process. Doing it in single step is just as out of process. Thryduulf (talk) 18:23, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- i hate to disagree with an admin, but from reading wp:rdel and wp:del, i don't believe that's how any of this works. if a redirect refers to something that isn't mentioned in the target, and it's found that there's no reliable coverage of it, i think it falls within reason 2 to delete as stated in rdel, as it would leave readers to wonder where the list of strogg or info on quackifier are. if every blar'd redirect had to be reverted to an undercooked, effectively unsourced article and taken to afd to be discussed for the same reason as if it were still a redirect, a lot of rfd nominations would have been done out of process for ages now, with no admins happening to pick up on it
- and also rfd isn't solely for speedy deletion i guess cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 21:00, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Those are reasons to delete a redirect, yes, but they aren't reasons to delete articles. Every undiscussed BLAR that doesn't meet the speedy deletion criteria should be reverted to the article (and optionally taken to AfD) if there is no appropriate target for the redirect (including the current target) and no consensus for new content (e.g. a dab page) at the title. That not every such redirect is spotted is not a reason to harm the encyclopaedia (which every out of process deletion does) when it is spotted. Thryduulf (talk) 23:58, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- i really must be missing something, because i haven't found the policy that states that undiscussed blars should be reverted and taken to afd, even despite pre-existing consensus that they'd get deleted for not being notable at all. do you happen to know where it is? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:20, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Cogsan: WP:NOTBURO may be relevant here. Steel1943 (talk) 22:26, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- all things considered, i think notburo would only serve as more of a reason to ignore any potential policy about restoring undiscussed blars to delete them anyway, and just... delete them. this must be unreadable on mobile devices by now cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 00:09, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Cogsan: That's one way of interpreting what I was trying to get at! In addition, regarding questioning administrators who participate in discussions: When administrators participate in discussions, they do so in their capacity as editors; their comments hold no stronger weight than any regular editor. They also cannot abuse their tools in retaliation since they would lose their administrative privileges. (I know there's a policy or essay page out there stating this, but I cannot find it at the moment.) In other words, feel free to challenge any editor in any discussion if you do not agree with their stance. Steel1943 (talk) 15:43, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- all things considered, i think notburo would only serve as more of a reason to ignore any potential policy about restoring undiscussed blars to delete them anyway, and just... delete them. this must be unreadable on mobile devices by now cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 00:09, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Cogsan: WP:NOTBURO may be relevant here. Steel1943 (talk) 22:26, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- i really must be missing something, because i haven't found the policy that states that undiscussed blars should be reverted and taken to afd, even despite pre-existing consensus that they'd get deleted for not being notable at all. do you happen to know where it is? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:20, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Those are reasons to delete a redirect, yes, but they aren't reasons to delete articles. Every undiscussed BLAR that doesn't meet the speedy deletion criteria should be reverted to the article (and optionally taken to AfD) if there is no appropriate target for the redirect (including the current target) and no consensus for new content (e.g. a dab page) at the title. That not every such redirect is spotted is not a reason to harm the encyclopaedia (which every out of process deletion does) when it is spotted. Thryduulf (talk) 23:58, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- The only justifications for deleting article content at a venue other than AfD are if it meets a speedy deletion criterion or if it has previously been discussed with a consensus that it shouldn't be an article. Deleting at RfD is equivalent to reversing the redirect and then speedy deleting the article - which would obviously be out of process. Doing it in single step is just as out of process. Thryduulf (talk) 18:23, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- There is no recency requirement for any of this. We don't speedy delete article content just because it's old, if someone thinks it should be deleted it gets discussed at AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 14:07, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- ...and every time someone unilaterally redirects something to a random target and subsequently nominates it here, they get reverted. That's not the case here, this page has long been stable as a redirect. -- Tavix (talk) 13:55, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- That would allow anybody to delete an article by unilaterally redirecting it to a random target and then nominating it here, which is why disputed BLARs are reverted and sent to AfD for discussion. This is a disputed BLAR. Thryduulf (talk) 13:44, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- By definition, any redirect (which this is) can be deleted at RfD. Thryduulf's understanding is incorrect. -- Tavix (talk) 22:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- One person redirected it both times, without discussion. The only discussion (if you can call exactly two comments a discussion) that has been had (as far as I've found) came to no consensus. That's not close to consensus to delete - especially as the suggested action was merging not deletion. Lists of elements from notable works are frequently notable and don't violate NOTGUIDE. Whether this list is notable is a question for AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 02:16, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Restore or Delete right away?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 22:10, 27 August 2024 (UTC)- while we're here, what about quackifier? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:17, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as not seen in the parent article and WP:NOTGAMEGUIDE. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 00:27, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Whoopsie daisy
[edit] Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#Whoopsie daisy
Super Mario RPG 2
[edit] Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#Super Mario RPG 2
Niggling
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Dry Winged Trout Flies
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🎣
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November 12, 2001
[edit] Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#November 12, 2001
Fish catch
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Fin fish
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Looting the seas
[edit] Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#Looting the seas
Unio personalis
[edit]- Unio personalis → Prosopon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Personal Union of Christ → Christology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Personal union of Christ → Christology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Unio Personalis → Christology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Unio personalia → Christology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Unio Personalia → Christology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The specific terms don't seem to be explicitly mentioned in any article, so it is a bit unclear where these should point. The first redirect was created in 2007, targeting Hypostatic union; this was later changed to Person of Christ (now merged into Christology) along with the creation of the other redirects. Only the first one was rather recently changed to target Prosopon. Apart from these, the discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 11#Unipersonalist (and the Nontrinitarianism article which was the target decided on in that RfD) seem pertinent. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:09, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget where necessary to Hypostatic union. – Fayenatic London 20:16, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Also notified of this discussion at the proposed target talk.
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Yabbying
[edit] Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#Yabbying
Deep sea fishing.
[edit]pointless period. cogsan. (nag me.) (stalk me.) 15:47, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Deep sea fishing exists, and the page history doesn't seem to have been used anywhere, so deleting this WP:UNNATURAL spelling makes sense. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:13, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Possibly move without redirect to Deep sea fishing to preserve history otherwise just delete. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:04, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Sydney Football Stadium 2
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Gogaku
[edit] Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#Gogaku
Israeli fascism
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Certificat Superieur de Francais
[edit]- Certificat Superieur de Francais → Language education (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Certificat Supérieur de Français → Language education (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Only seems to occur in a passing mention on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:20, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Note I've merged the version with the diacritic in with this nomination as was likely intended. It was nominated with no rationale. Thryduulf (talk) 17:25, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. This seems to be the full name of the "B2" level mentioned at Telc#French and possibly warrants a mention, but a mention at Français langue étrangère#Diplomas, certifications and examinations may also be due. Thryduulf (talk) 17:32, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Notional-functional syllabus
[edit] Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#Notional-functional syllabus
Esyllabus
[edit] Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#Esyllabus
Online education
[edit]- Online education → Distance education (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Online Education → Educational technology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Seems ambiguous. There is also Online school. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:02, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget [Online Education] to Distance education. Thanks to the COVID pandemic happening, this seems to be the primary redirect topic for these terms with Educational technology and Online school being potential subtopics when referring to the nominated redirects. Steel1943 (talk) 20:37, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Massacres of Azerbaijanis in Karabakh (1988-1994)
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Bill Bojangles Robinson
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Toki Pon
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Chafarinas''s skink
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Template:United States women;s volleyball squad 2012 Summer Olympics
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Wirth;s Circus
[edit]War of Jenkin;s Ear
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Million;s Poet
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Daggett;s Mill, Pennsylvania
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Hispanized Southeast Asia
[edit]- Hispanized Southeast Asia → Philippines (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
To me this seems like an implausible search term for the Philippines. ★Trekker (talk) 10:14, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- See also Sinicized Southeast Asia. Mentioned in https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/modern-asian-studies/article/abs/local-integration-and-eurasian-analogies-structuring-southeast-asian-history-c-1350c-1830/041F3B980324C778E2771719BC85C326. 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:42, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have never heard that term in my life and it's overly complicated. I did Southeast Asian studies in university; that source is on regional history 1350-1830. Fetch isn't gonna happen, surely. Jondvdsn1 (talk) 12:50, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Either retarget to Spanish East Indies, or delete. CMD (talk) 09:18, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Su85b
[edit]No mention on the target page. The tank does appear to be real though, so maybe a mention could be added to the article? Only source I can find on it though is an article on a website called "Warspot" that doesn't seem to have much fact checking. ― Blaze WolfTalkblaze__wolf 04:19, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's definitely a thing, even though most of the many English-language hits relate to its appearance in World of Tanks (most commonly rendered as "SU-85b" the hyphenless version does get plenty of hits) it is not just we have a picture at File:СУ-85Б.webp which led to my discovering the Russian and Ukrainian Wikipedias have articles about it. There is a mention at List of armoured fighting vehicles by country#Soviet Union, but that doesn't say more than that it was based on the SU-76 prototype; SU-76#Variants has a sentence. Draft:SU-85B was deleted under G13 in 2020, but it was just a single sentence "The SU-85B was a prototype Soviet tank destroyer based on the SU-76.". If we decide not to delete this then SU-85B should be created as a redirect to the same target, but what target that would be or whether deletion per WP:REDLINK would be better I don't know. Thryduulf (talk) 10:55, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to SU-76 where it is mentioned as a variant. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 13:52, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
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Photosite
[edit]mentioned exactly once in the article, in the lead, in passing, inside parentheses (can't guarantee citation 3 doesn't mention it because it's paywalled), really doesn't make it clear if a pixel is supposed to be a part of a photosite or vice-versa, though it seems to be the latter, which might make this the equivalent of redirecting "body hair" to beard. what do? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:33, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- My first thought was an image hosting website, but googling shows that actually it refers to (as wikt:photosite puts it) "An individual light-sensitive element in a digital image sensor." and pixel is an alternative term for this. This suggests that image sensor is the correct target for the redirect - however the term is not mentioned there. Where it is mentioned is articles about specific sensors or sensor technologies, which are all too specific a target. A specific image hosting site ("PhotoSite") is mentioned at Homestead Technologies#History but that doesn't appear to be notable (and seems to have been discontinued circa 2006). I'm not completely sure what the best course of action is here, but the status quo definitely isn't it. Perhaps soft redirecting to Wiktionary if the term isn't added at Image sensor? If we do soft redirect we should remove the link to Wikipedia from that page to avoid a circular link. Thryduulf (talk) 10:03, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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Life as we do not know it
[edit] Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 3#Life as we do not know it
Bīn
[edit]What the! Should redirect to Bin instead, surely. Remsense ‥ 诉 15:10, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- that's apparently a hanyu pinyin reading for... a bunch of old(?) chinese lemmas. i got nothing. delete cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:24, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- I imagine the Been rendering corresponds to another orthography, but it's simply not the best redirect I don't think. Remsense ‥ 诉 15:25, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- i think "been" would rely too much on one accent of one language in certain conditions, so i don't think that one would work either cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:31, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- I imagine the Been rendering corresponds to another orthography, but it's simply not the best redirect I don't think. Remsense ‥ 诉 15:25, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or soft redirect. This is a transcription of multiple different Chinese characters that have meanings including "visitor, guest", "in a hurry", "today", "elegant, refined", "place", "sprinting, quick" and pronunciations including "wǎng", "bin", "bin", "ban", "pîn", "kǔn", "kwan" (both a far from complete lists). I'm not seeing any obvious primary topic in English. Thryduulf (talk) 16:05, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
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double bind-shaped dilemmas
[edit]- Damned if you do, damned if you don't → Dilemma (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Stuck between a rock and a hard place → Dilemma (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
not that i'm a professional in the area of dilemmas, but those specific dilemmas sound like double binds. opinions on retargeting to that? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:11, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Don't retarget/Weak delete. The usefulness of these is dubious to begin with, as I'd hope for something talking about the phrases specifically, or maybe even some kind of common linguistic phenomenon. But double bind looks more like technical psychology stuff, while the phrases and dilemma are more just about the everyday sense rather than something technical. I wouldn't even be opposed to deleting, but whatever I guess. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 21:47, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget Stuck between a rock and a hard place to between a rock and a hard place. Retarget Damned if you do, damned if you don't to wikt:. Seemingly best solutions for now; can revisit if they are mentioned and expounded at length somewhere in the future. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 01:22, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget and soft redirect to wikt:damned if one does and damned if one doesn't per Godsy. Cremastra (talk) 19:48, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Opinion polling for the next Turkish parliamentary election
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Russia;s anti-LGBT law
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-ussy
[edit]- Trussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Clownussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Thrussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Þussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Dussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Ghussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Grussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Dunmussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Orcussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Ayleidussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Akulakhanakussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Morbussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Chaurussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Corpussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Daedrussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Tentaclussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Spidussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Khajussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
None of these are mentioned in the article. Rusalkii (talk) 19:48, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- ...oh boy. judging from the "mature" mindset of someone who would want to find redirects to this article
- trussy: keep as "haha heehee trans pussy"
- clownussy: keep as plausible alternate spelling of "clussy"
- grussy: keep if it can be argued that it stems from gru, otherwise delete
- morbussy: keep as "oh god we're still doing morbius memes"
- corpussy: SPEEDY DELETE AND SALT, WHAT WAS THE CREATOR THINKING
- tentaclussy: torn between voting to delete as that is the exact opposite of what a tentacle is supposed to do, and keeping per those people's... lacking knowledge in biology
- spidussy: keep as one of the oldest, most iconic -ussy memes i know of. as in it actually predates -ussy being a meme
- and delete all the others as obscure cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:09, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all as not mentioned at target, except Clownussy which should be retargeted to Coulrophilia as a {{R avoided double redirect|Clussy}}. Queen of Hearts (talk) 20:23, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- and the things Hyphenation Expert says to do below. Queen of Hearts (talk) 21:46, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep grussy and thrussy; they are mentioned at target. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 00:13, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Soft redirect Þussy → wikt:þussy. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 07:44, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Thussy
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Nussy
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Win quote
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Sony ARW 1.0
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Libopenraw
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Ricoh GR
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Lord Jabu-Jabu
[edit]- Lord Jabu-Jabu → List of The Legend of Zelda characters#Jabu-Jabu (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Lord Jabu Jabu → List of The Legend of Zelda characters#Jabu-Jabu (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Jabu-Jabu → List of The Legend of Zelda characters#Jabu-Jabu (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Jabu Jabu → List of The Legend of Zelda characters#Jabu-Jabu (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Character/dungeon of the Legend of Zelda universe that is not mentioned in the target article, Characters of The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, or The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. The only mention of this character on Wikipedia seems to be at List of monarchs of fictional countries#Zora Tribe, but I'm pretty sure that target is not the target readers trying to information about this character are intending to go, meaning deletion is probably preferred over retargeting there. Steel1943 (talk) 17:39, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. If there were a lot of page views I'd contend that it should just be changed to mention Jabu-Jabu on the characters or OoT article, but none of them are even double digits, suggesting no one is really using these redirects anyway. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 17:48, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Cukie Gherkin: Just FYI, I apparently had an edit conflict with you when I updated my rationale to include finding a mention at List of monarchs of fictional countries#Zora Tribe, in case that changes your stance. Steel1943 (talk) 17:50, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Page views aren't necessarily a concern regarding readers finding this information; what's more important is that the information exists if any reader is trying to find that information. Meaning ... should this character be added to an article, probably Characters of The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time? (I'm assuming that the content was previously at its current target, considering the target is coded in these redirects, and you are the creator of Characters of The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time [assuming my requested history merge has not occurred yet].) Steel1943 (talk) 17:54, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- I think my stance remains the same, as I don't think people would expect to be taken there if they do search for it. As far as page views, they were just offered as an example of an incentive for perhaps mentioning Jabu-Jabu somewhere if he was someone people were searching. As far as the characters page, I think the most that could be done would be to mention Jabu Jabu under Ruto's page, but I'm not sure that would really be enough to warrant redirects. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 18:10, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. The pre-redirect page histories are not useful and attribution is not a concern since all the content has been removed from the target article. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:13, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
"Children's games", "Children's Games" & friends
[edit]- Children's games → List of children's games (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Children's Games → List of children's games (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Childrens' games → List of children's games (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Childrens Games → List of children's games (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I was originally considering WP:BOLDly retargeting these redirects to disambiguation page Children's toys and games to allow readers to determine which page they were intending to find if they searched these terms (the current target is listed at Children's toys and games), but ... the existence of Children's Games (Bruegel) complicates that due to WP:DIFFCAPS. I'm still believing that these redirects should be retargeted to Children's toys and games, but I'm not sure if Children's Games (Bruegel) should be moved to Children's Games per both WP:DIFFCAPS and since ... retargeting Children's Games to Children's toys and games and then listing Children's Games (Bruegel) in the "See also" section seems to both be odd and have no precedence. Steel1943 (talk) 19:22, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Move Children's Games (Bruegel) to Children's Games, then retarget all to Children's Games, and then add hatnote to List of children's games. I think the painting here should be the primary topic here as it has this specific name, while "List of children's games" is more general and has a few different aliases that mean the same thing (eg. Playground games, Folk games, etc). BugGhost🦗👻 13:20, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- I think it's okay to handle the upper-case and lower-case versions differently, per WP:DIFFCAPS. Retarget the lower-case versions to Children's toys and games per nom as ambiguous. Disambiguate Children's Games between Children's toys and games, Children's Games (Bruegel), and International Children's Games. Retarget Childrens Games to the new disambiguation page. - Eureka Lott 17:36, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
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Mario party revolution
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Metal Mario
[edit]No mention of "Metal Mario" on the target page. Mia Mahey (talk) 05:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Revert to the article in the page history without prejudice to AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 08:56, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as a plausible search term. It would be very easy to add a sourced mention - it's an alternate name for Mario when he uses a "power up" that makes his body look like metal. Sources like this outline it. An alternate target could be at Super Mario 64#Gameplay, where it's already touched on some there. That's where the concept originated, though it's been used in many games now, so its current target is probably preferable. Sergecross73 msg me 12:09, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as Metal Mario is a significant recurring character in the Mario franchise spin-offs and thus a plausible search term. A mention should be added at the subject, but I am unopposed to a redirect to Super Mario 64 if that is deemed a better solution. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 02:17, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Fire Mario redirects to Super Mario#Projectiles, Tanooki Mario to Super Mario Bros. 3. Those are about all the 'Marios' I know for sure. Taking a guess at some extra Marios, Ice Mario redirects to Super Mario, and then Hammer Mario and Invincible Mario don't have any pages or redirects. Will readers be expecting to be redirected to wildly disparate pages when they're all effectively variations of the same character? 122141510 (talk) 23:50, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Super Mario 64#Health, lives, and power-ups, akin to Metal Cap, where it's actually discussed. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 04:46, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
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Dalaran
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Vashj'ir
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Warcraft IV
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Great Dark
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Howling Fjord
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Hellfire Peninsula
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Lordaeron City
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High Council of Lordaeron
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Undermine (Warcraft)
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Hozen
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Nerubian
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Arakkoa
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World of warcraft mounts
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Naga (Warcraft)
[edit]- Naga (Warcraft) → Gameplay of World of Warcraft (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. Mentioned once in passing at Warcraft#Azeroth but not really with enough substance to warrant a redirect. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:08, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of piscine and amphibian humanoids#Games, where it is mentioned. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 04:46, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Honestly that article itself should probably be sent to AfD. It's a pile of poorly-sourced trivia with no real focus, and if it were cleaned up properly it would probably no longer mention the naga. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:52, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
M-Block
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Milk & Cream
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Nigerian Agip Oil Company
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Eli Kowaz
[edit]- Eli Kowaz → Israel Policy Forum#Eli Kowaz (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in target. There was a lot (probably too much) content on him earlier, which was removed by User:IPFcomms with the rationale that he was no longer with the org. Unsure if content on him should be in the article, but if it isn't the redirect should be deleted. Rusalkii (talk) 23:26, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The AfD provided grist to doubt his notability even with the IPF; now that he's no longer there it makes no sense for the redirect to be to IPF. Longhornsg (talk) 23:46, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment @CFA restored the section covering Eli Kowaz, with justification "Restoring section removed by promotional editor". If the section is kept (which I think it shouldn't be, see e.g. LinkedIn confirming he is no longer at the company), the redirect should be too. Rusalkii (talk) 19:43, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
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Formicapunk
[edit]- Formicapunk → Cyberpunk derivatives#Cassette futurism/Formicapunk (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Cassette futurism → Cyberpunk derivatives#Cassette futurism/Formicapunk (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These terms do not appear in the target article. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:36, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. These terms referred to a section that was removed in April and had been tagged as unreferenced for nearly two years. - Eureka Lott 16:36, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Cassette futurism returns many results on Google, for example [33], and [34]. And besides, it looks like the target text has been restored, complete with references. The nowardays widely accepted term for this period of retro-futurism is most commonly referred to as Cassette Futurism, but the term Formicapunk has also been used (but it is not as widely used as Cassette Futurism). Formicapunk was used in the webcomic Bouletcorp by John Boulet. The original link is http://web.archive.org/web/20230623104540/https://bouletcorp.com/2011/07/07/formicapunk/ (this is an Internet archive version as the current URL doesn't work), but even so, google still brings up links to other pages that use that term. So I suspect that there are still some people out there who are aware of the term Formicapunk but not the term Cassette Fururism. But even so, I'd definitely keep the redirect for Cassette futurism, but I'm not so sure if Bouletcorp's Formicapunk cartoon is notable enough even though the term Formicapunk has taken a life of it's own. Ae-a (talk) 22:22, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete both Per WP:NEO. Seems to be an invention of TVTropes editors, and Wikipedia is not TVTropes. 80s-punk is undoubtedly a thing, but it's cited to Wikis and unreliable sources in an attempt to make the section appear merited. Until someone can come up with an actual source, it shouldn't be there. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:05, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Just noting that I agree with this assessment. The redirects should be deleted and the reintroduction of the material should be reverted due to a lack of WP:RS. - Eureka Lott 21:25, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep but also consider Retarget. In the case these redirects aren't appropriate for their current article, maybe a better destination would be Retrofuturism#Genres and the redirect-category could be changed to "R with possibilities". Also, the text in the Cyberpunk derivatives#Cassette futurism/Formicapunk section could be moved there. Ae-a (talk) 00:54, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Please note that the section has again been removed from the target article. - Eureka Lott 16:21, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
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WP:IRS
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Nazi resistance
[edit]I suggest disambiguating between Werwolf and German resistance to Nazism or simply changing the target to the latter. Personally, I have the impression that when most people refer to "Nazi resistance", they are thinking about resistance to the Nazis, not resistance by the Nazis, although perhaps it is not a very clear phrasing. A dispute is evident in the redirect's edit history. — BarrelProof (talk) 00:54, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support retarget to German resistance to Nazism; seems like a more natural redirect target than what it is currently. SmittenGalaxy | talk! 02:34, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete -- not a helpful redirect to either topic. It does read to me as subversive activities by the Nazis, but unclear what they were "resisting" against. Too ambiguous to be useful. --K.e.coffman (talk) 12:32, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Resistance during World War II, which covers the resistance movements mentioned above and many others. - Eureka Lott 15:05, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per K.e.coffman. Note that the two proposed targets are the first and second result when searching for "Nazi resistance", and Werwolf is no. 5 (no. 4 when excluding the redirect), so we can let the search results deal with it. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:46, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I just looked and found two articles that were linking to that redirect: Hasserode and Shlomo Shafir; I believe the Hasserode article was intending to link to German resistance to Nazism. The Shlomo Shafir article appeared to be trying to link to Resistance during World War II or more specifically to Resistance in Lithuania during World War II. Neither one of them was really intending to link to Werwolf. Linking to Resistance during World War II would have been an acceptable target for both of them, but it might be best to just delete or disambiguate the link (e.g., with three possible meanings: Resistance during World War II, German resistance to Nazism, and Werwolf) for the sake of clarity. I just edited both articles to correct them. — BarrelProof (talk) 00:10, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Resistance during World War II is a WP:BROADCONCEPT article that already links to many possible meanings for this term. There's no need for a disambiguation page when we have an existing article that accomplishes the same thing. - Eureka Lott 20:52, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to either German resistance to Nazism or Resistance during World War II, I think these are much more obvious targets to the phrase "Nazi resistance" than Werwolf. Di (they-them) (talk) 16:38, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Murloc
[edit]- Murloc → Thrall_(Warcraft)#Warcraft_III (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not discussed at target with sufficient substance to warrant a redirect - the target section makes one passing mention with no context, leaving anyone who isn't a Warcraft fan more confused than they were before. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:07, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment would The Murlocs be a viable target? Also, you might want to consider adding Murlocs in this RfD. --Lenticel (talk) 06:36, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's fine for Murlocs, and I've boldly retargeted it there rather than adding it to this discussion. I think it's too far off for the singular Murloc to be plausible, but definitely a better target than the current one. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:44, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of piscine and amphibian humanoids#Games. The fictional creature was already listed there, but I went ahead and added a reference. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 03:58, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Cone of answers
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Duck technique
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Beyond the Big Bang
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Sfaraddi
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Child diddler
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Wikipedia:VRT permissions agents
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The pandemic
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Reticulum cell sarcoma
[edit]- Reticulum cell sarcoma → Sarcoma (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Reticulum-cell sarcoma → Sarcoma (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Currently not mentioned at the target. More specific articles like Contagious reticulum cell sarcoma mention this, but I'm not sure there is a generic description of this on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:23, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to contagious reticulum cell sarcoma – both redirects appear to be good search terms, and sarcoma is linked in the proposed target. I think that would help readers and researchers more. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 21:12, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think that's the only cancer the term is referring to, so it might lead to confusion. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:25, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- CRCS appears to be the only RCS presently covered on Wikipedia, so confusion is unlikely for now. When other types are covered with their own articles, such as intraocular RCS, RCS of the thyroid gland, RCS of the spleen, RCS of the bone, RCS of the lymph node, and so on, then this title, "Reticulum cell sarcoma", can become an overview article or a dab page. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 02:41, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- PS. We should note here that the other redirect would then, of course, be retargeted to the new overview article or dab page as an unprintworthy {{redirect from modification}}. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 02:57, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Well, right now another one is mentioned at the Skin sarcoma article (recently created from the discussion below). 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:24, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Since this was relisted, that referenced closed discussion is found at WP:RFD/2024 August 14#Sarcoma of skin. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 16:02, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Well, right now another one is mentioned at the Skin sarcoma article (recently created from the discussion below). 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:24, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete since there's no primary topic as stated above. Let search results handle it. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:08, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Gay cake
[edit]- Gay cake → Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Gay cake case → Lee v Ashers Baking Company Ltd and others (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
At the moment, the two target articles are connected by hatnotes, which might end up being the best solution, but I believe it's less than ideal for the two redirects to have different targets. My main suggestion is to Disambiguate (that is, turn gay cake case into a DAB page), especially as it's possible that another lawsuit could arise from a similar situation. However, "gay cake case" is explicitly cited in the Lee v Ashers article but not in Masterpiece Cakeshop, and "gay cake" on its own doesn't immediately suggest that the article is about a lawsuit. My secondary suggestion is therefore to Delete gay cake only. Tevildo (talk) 23:17, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget/Convert Gay cake case to a disambiguation page, Delete Gay cake - Even with context "Gay cake" is a mite ambiguous; "Gay cake case" is a lot more obvious but the fact there's multiple cases like this is an argument for dabbing. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 00:31, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment For context, at the time I redirected Gay cake case to the eponymous subsection: LGBT rights in Northern Ireland#Gay cake case. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:10, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Gay cake case, all results on the first two pages of Google for "Gay cake case" are Lee v Ashers, making it the primary topic, Masterpiece Cakeshop v Colorado Civil Rights Commission is the WP:ONEOTHER topic and should be a hatnote on Lee v Ashers. AlexandraAVX (talk) 16:54, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Just to clarify, should gay cake be deleted, retargetted to Lee v Ashers, or kept as a redirect to Masterpiece Cakeshop? Tevildo (talk) 17:48, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm undecided, but the results seem similar to Gay cake case, in which case it should also be a redirect to Lee v Ashers. AlexandraAVX (talk) 17:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Just to clarify, should gay cake be deleted, retargetted to Lee v Ashers, or kept as a redirect to Masterpiece Cakeshop? Tevildo (talk) 17:48, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Make Gay cake case into a disambig page, redirect Gay cake to that page. --Bensin (talk) 22:40, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Gay cake case. Masterpiece is not commonly nicknamed "the gay cake case", unlike Ashers. Lean delete Gay cake per nom. SilverLocust 💬 05:13, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Dab and redirect per nom, Jeske, and Bensin. As common search terms, Lee has no more claim to the primary topic. This is the best balance of preserving and serving users with least astonishment. czar 14:10, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep "gay cake case" for Lee v Ashers as that's the primary topic. Delete "gay cake" as that's a vague term that's not necessarily related to either legal case. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 17:24, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Make Gay cake case into a disambiguation page, delete Gay cake. --Un assiolo (talk) 21:38, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- I would also be fine with redirecting Gay cake to the disambiguation page. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:06, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate Gay cake case and redirect Gay cake, per Bensin and Czar. The phrase is clearly ambiguous, and the redirect is cheap. BD2412 T 00:45, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Well, excuse me!
[edit]- Well, excuse me! → Steve Martin (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Was originally going to WP:BOLDly retarget this to Let's Get Small as the album from the current target which this phrase is most associated, but then I remembered ... people looking up this phrase could reasonably be trying to find The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!#Premise where a version of the subject of the article Link (The Legend of Zelda) is notable for saying "Well, excuse me, princess!" and since Well excuse me princess redirects there. Seems like a case of "disambiguate" or "retarget" and I'm not sure which, even with the fact that this redirect is a partial match for the Link phrase. Steel1943 (talk) 18:54, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Was thinking about nominating this one too, also while having "well excuse me princess" on my mind.
- As the inclusion of the word "well" is never mentioned in any context preceding the title "Excuse Me" in the album, I'd prefer to delete this, but a retarget is better than a keep. Retargeting brings this title closer to its potential context (moreso than a general pass towards the person that presumably said the phrase), but without any mention of the "well" bit, there's no indication in the article that people would search for this instead of Excuse Me (the song on the album; the song, which does not appear on the Excuse Me disambiguation page). It does not seem necessary to target this title to Excuse Me either. Utopes (talk / cont) 19:18, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- dabify or add all redirects missing the word "princess" to "excuse me" per 50% of what steel said, but also per "well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me, princess"
- wait, no, wrong quote, i mean "that's only barely uncommon enough to probably warrant the dab" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:36, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Let's Get Small as originally considered. That seems like a pretty good approach, as it explains the evolution into a catchphrase. — BarrelProof (talk) 21:27, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
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ZSJ
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Kevin Tucker (anarchist)
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Fighting TV Samurai
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New Zealand 2015 (Association football event)
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🆥
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Elite slaves
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Curvaceous
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Sturmian morphism
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Economic totalitarianism
[edit]- Economic totalitarianism → Compulsory cartel#Types of compulsory cartels (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
It was originally an essay, which got turned into a redirect. The redirect target was changed several times until someone finally found an article that actually mentioned "economic totalitarianism", but that mention has since been removed because it was a POV-pushing essay. Hence, there is no plausible target. Un assiolo (talk) 16:28, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Walter Nash. Paradoctor (talk) 23:44, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- It was used as a bit of political rhetoric in a single memorandum. It is absolutely inappropriate to link there just because of that. There are a few other mentions of "economic totalitarianism" in other articles. They are all similar one-off rhetorical accusations. There is no good target. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:47, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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Vimina
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Elmira station
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Koi Mil Gaya 3
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Koi Mil Gaya 2
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Krish 1
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Strawman (literal)
[edit]- Strawman (literal) → Scarecrow (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Straw man (literal) → Scarecrow (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
weird case, this one. results are torn between every possible thing that can be and is referred to as a literal straw man (from scarecrows to straw men to straw man), and also donald trump. straw man (literal) was seemingly accidentally moved by a bot to avoid a double redirect, though its talk page still redirects to the dummy. opinions? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:26, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Straw man (disambiguation) is my first thought, and that does include a link to scarecrow (disambiguation). Treat it as a {{R from incomplete disambiguation}}. Thryduulf (talk) 15:27, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- seems good, i support retargeting it to straw man (disambiguation) cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:14, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Delete because the disambiguator makes no sense in terms on what available subjects are currently on Wikipedia. Steel1943 (talk) 14:18, 19 August 2024 (UTC)- Eh? It's an entirely plausible disambiguator for multiple topics things that are literally made of straw, including Straw man (dummy) and Scarecrow, that would be used by someone who doesn't want the rhetorical use but doesn't know there is more than one literal usage. Thryduulf (talk) 14:53, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sounds like an WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument to me. That, and the whole concept of "rhetorical" vs. "literal" is incredibly subjective. Steel1943 (talk) 18:51, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry to sound repetitive but this comment again makes me go "eh?" - I don't understand how OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is at all relevant here? We have a plausible search term that people are apparently using but which could refer to multiple different articles. When that happens we disambiguate because multiple articles exist. What is rhetorical and literal is not subjective in this case - either something is a man made that is literally made of straw or it isn't. Someone using this search term knows they don't want the article about the type of argument or other figurative uses but they don't know that we have articles about multiple things that meet that description - and they should not be required to know that before being able to find the article they want. Thryduulf (talk) 19:28, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sounds like an WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument to me. That, and the whole concept of "rhetorical" vs. "literal" is incredibly subjective. Steel1943 (talk) 18:51, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Straw man (dummy) per Tavix's findings. That works. Steel1943 (talk) 00:43, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Eh? It's an entirely plausible disambiguator for multiple topics things that are literally made of straw, including Straw man (dummy) and Scarecrow, that would be used by someone who doesn't want the rhetorical use but doesn't know there is more than one literal usage. Thryduulf (talk) 14:53, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Straw man (dummy), noting that this was the disambiguator used for that article from 2006–2008. -- Tavix (talk) 21:21, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's better than deletion, but still inferior to the disambiguation page as there are multiple types of literal straw man and I see no evidence for a primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 10:32, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Nah, per the article a scarecrow is a type of strawman. It's better to target the broader article. -- Tavix (talk) 21:36, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's better than deletion, but still inferior to the disambiguation page as there are multiple types of literal straw man and I see no evidence for a primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 10:32, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Retarget to Straw man (disambiguation)? Or to Straw man (dummy)?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 10:24, 24 August 2024 (UTC)- Redirect to Straw man (disambiguation) I am concerned about the accuracy of a redirect to Straw man (dummy). Our article on the logical fallacy of the same name states "The term's origins are a matter of debate, though the usage of the term in rhetoric suggests a human figure made of straw that is easy to knock down or destroy—such as a military training dummy, scarecrow, or effigy."
- Straw man, even discounting the logical fallacy is used vaguely to refer to many literal topics. (You could even argue that the most literal interpretation of "straw man" is a man made of straws)
- Whatever the reader is looking for by this ambiguous disambiguator, they'll find it in the DAB page. Ca talk to me! 16:02, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to straw man (dummy) per Tavix. The broad-topic article that includes scarecrow is more useful and precies than the disambiguation, since the latter includes many non-literal straw men. Cremastra (talk) 15:16, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Fire and Ash
[edit]- Fire and Ash → Avatar: Fire and Ash (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
A user created and redirected to the upcoming Avatar franchise film, whose title was revealed in the past week [35]. This, for me, shouldn't be redirected this way because of WP:RECENTISM. Would suggest to convert it back to the DAB page without disambiguator, and wait for a couple years from film's release before having this as WP:PRIMARYTOPIC again. ScarletViolet tc 11:35, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, because the film is the only article we have with this name. The other items on Fire and Ash (disambiguation) are WP:DABMENTION entries. Avatar: Fire and Ash should get a hatnote, though. - Eureka Lott 15:26, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- The hatnote was improperly removed by the nominator. I have reverted the removal. InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:12, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Strong keep as creator The disambiguation page, which was created after the redirect, contains three (previously, two) MOS:DABMENTION entries. In other words, the three other uses of "Fire and Ash" are topics deemed not notable for standalone articles. Currently, Avatar: Fire and Ash is the only article whose title includes the phrase "Fire and Ash", so there is no other subject of comparable notability to be disambiguated with, and the film can be safely deemed the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. In any case, it would be unreliastic to claim that an obscure YA novel, comic book, and graphic novel "could" be as notable as an Avatar film — the chances are near zero. InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:11, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Oh, I just found out that Fire and Ash (disambiguation) has also a similarly-titled dab page: Fire and Ashes (disambiguation). Maybe having two dab pages merged into one could be better, with more "Fire and Ashes" entries than "Fire and Ash". How does that sound? ScarletViolet tc 09:13, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
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- I agree with merging the two dab pages into one. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 04:43, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I'm fine with moving the DAB entries to the other page, but Fire and Ash should still redirect to the film as the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. A hatnote can link to Fire and Ash (disambiguation), which can redirect to Fire and Ashes (disambiguation). That separate proposal doesn't change this one. InfiniteNexus (talk) 05:11, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Template:OURL
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Module:Road data/routelist
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FuBl 2
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Crab angle
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Fan Reaction to Relena Peacecraft
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Laws of work
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⧧
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Ajacent angels
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Anggulo
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Ǝ́
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Uppen
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Japan 2012 (Association football event 1)
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AN/VPS-2
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bros
[edit]- Bros 2 → Super Mario Bros. 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Bros. 2 → Super Mario Bros. 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
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- Bros. 4 → Super Mario World (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
missing the "mario" disambiguator leaves this with only a common word... that has a pretty strong association with mario anyway. still, it could realistically refer to any series with "bros." in its title and 4 or more entries, or a number of brothers. opinions? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:59, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- on that note, see bros u, bros wonder, bros wii, and their more punctuated counterparts. not nominating them here because i don't know what number "wii" is supposed to be, and also because the rest of the names might narrow the meanings down to the mario games cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:21, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Can you demonstrate actual ambiguity with other series? -- Tavix (talk) 21:46, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- off the top of my head...
- super smash bros. is a cheap, easy pick
- ...two brothers, apparently. this is as far as my acknowledgement goes, and i don't want to find out if this game's 1.5 fans refer to it as "2 bros" or whatever
- new super mario bros., if you want to be a pedantic ass like me
- loyal bros and loyal bros 2?
- was gonna say snow bros. and snow bros. 2, but... nah
- doing an intitle search or something could net more results, but smash and nsmb alone could warrant the ambiguity with "numbered titles that involve some variant of the word 'brother'" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 22:52, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Can you provide evidence that any of the other titles you list has been called "Bros 2"? What I am seeing is a list of partial title matches. -- Tavix (talk) 18:23, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- smash, especially when it comes to 4 cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:14, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Can you provide evidence that any of the other titles you list has been called "Bros 2"? What I am seeing is a list of partial title matches. -- Tavix (talk) 18:23, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- off the top of my head...
- Are the games ever referred to by these titles? If not, I would support deleting all of them as implausible search terms, including the three listed in the comment. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:09, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Are the games ever referred to by these titles?
The evidence says yes. Thryduulf (talk) 14:11, 27 August 2024 (UTC)- ...yeah, the string "bros. [number]" will be pretty often found in the titles for games in the "super mario bros." series. it'd be like having "kart [number]" as redirects for the mario kart games
- arguing that they're referred to as that in conversations already about mario wouldn't work either, as people would obviously try to avoid repetition of a word in a context where that word is already repeated ad nauseam, and having redirects like that in a wiki not primarily about that franchise would be granting primary topic-hood for an entire word cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:10, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- ...and of course my hyperbolic comment was partially right, as it turns out that kart 4, kart 7, and kart 8 are redirects to the mario kart games. what a wacky coincidence, i don't know why 1, 2, 3, 5, and 6 are missing cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:13, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) In terms of actual (rather than theoretical) ambiguity, it's a mixed bag. Google does not differentiate between the dotted and dotless forms so the same thing should happen to each pair.
- Keep Bros 2/Bros. 2. This is in practice ambiguous only with Burgle Bros 2: The Casino Capers, something which we appear to have no content about (even Burgle Bros is red).
- Keep Bros 3/Bros. 3. The current target is overwhelmingly primary to the extent I have to explicitly exclude Super Mario from the search term before I see anything else.
- Disambig Bros 4/Bros. 4. There is nothing even approaching a primary topic here with Mario and Super Smash appearing with at least equal frequency to various other things, some of which are definitely not encyclopaedic and others that might or might not be (I haven't investigated). Thryduulf (talk) 14:10, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- on third thought, wouldn't proving that the games are shortened to "bros" and not... you know... "mario" be a little more important? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 02:21, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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True democracy
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2012 OLYMPIC RESULTS
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US Olympic TEAM TRIALS
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Overruled
[edit]- Overruled → Objection (United States law) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Overrule → Objection (United States law) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Is the US legal term the primary topic here? We do also have Overruled! (a TV show) and Overruled (play). Thryduulf (talk) 20:01, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Dabify as there are many potential targets --Lenticel (talk) 01:07, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Dabify per nom. I have also bundled Overrule into this. mwwv converse∫edits 21:48, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- You didn't add the tag to that redirect or notify the creator, but I've done so now. Thryduulf (talk) 01:57, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I was going to close this as disambiguate Overruled and redirect Overrule to it, but there doesn't seem to actually be anything else "Overrule" could refer to. I think "Overrule" should be kept as is. C F A 💬 17:46, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep as is per CFA. If there are other meanings worth mentioning, add them to a hatnote at the target article. BD2412 T 03:45, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Dabify: There is no primary topic, due to the two common meanings in law: a court's opinion which overturns precedent, or a judge's interjection to squelch a lawyer's objection. Plus the TV show and play identified by Thryduulf, for a total of at least four dab entries. Jruderman (talk) 15:41, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
Samuli Miettinen
[edit]- Samuli Miettinen → Children of Bodom (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete redirect. There is an article for Samuli Miettinen (footballer) who is a different person than the redirect. Searching for Samuli Miettinen from wiki should point the person who has an own article rather than someone who has not. Syvä-äksy (talk) 14:18, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Looking on google there is no primary topic for people with this name with hits for the footballer, an architect (no article on enwp but the subject of fi:Samuli Miettinen) and an academic (no Wikipedia article in any language I can find) getting about equal numbers of hits on the first three pages. There were two hits for a photographer but none for the bassist. I haven't done enough research to know whether the architect or academic are notable but if they are a primary disambig may be best, if they aren't then moving the footballer to primary and adding a hatnote to the bassist is probably better (the latter does not appear to be notable, a one-line two-sentence sub-stub about him was correctly speedied as A7 a few years ago.) Thryduulf (talk) 16:45, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Move the redirect to Samuli Miettinen (bassist) and add {{R from predictable disambiguation}} to that redirect. Then move Samuli Miettinen (footballer) to Samuli Miettinen and add a hatnote to the footballer article. 2001:999:701:1F8:1C71:F209:179D:36B1 (talk) 19:30, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
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Objection (law)
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Rat feces
[edit]Not mentioned at target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:34, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, add mention at target. pages of sources. Hyperbolick (talk) 08:14, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete until/unless content is in fact added, otherwise this is just confusing for any searchers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rusalkii (talk • contribs) 17:33, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Is the "sewage" mentioned at Rat#In the spread of disease anything to do with rat feces? Jay 💬 13:57, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
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