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Special occasion idea: Olympics[edit]

Discussion on Olympics[edit]

Remembering that we did themed sets for the FIFA Women's World Cup last year, I thought of an idea for a themed set of hooks: the 2024 Summer Olympics take place from July 26 to August 11 this year (in a little over five weeks) and I think there will probably be a decent number of Olympics-related hooks; I at least plan to write a good number of them. I was thinking we might be able to do something like one Olympics hook per day for the duration of the event, similar to how we did for the FIFA World Cup. Thoughts? BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:16, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. I coordinated something like that for the last Olympics and had been planning on offering that service once more. Schwede66 21:22, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Cool idea! Lightburst (talk) 22:18, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I also like this idea! I know of a couple topics that could provide Olympics-related hooks; I'll look into them. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 22:58, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've dug out the item that shows how we went about it last time: Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 180#Olympic hooks. Schwede66 22:26, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That looks like work @Schwede66:! Hopefully we can identify a few. Bruxton (talk) 01:04, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It was somewhat involved! Schwede66 01:27, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some related considerations:

  • Moved to the Olympics: Special occasion holding area.
  • Done – added to the table below.
  • Done – added to the table below.

All the Olympic-related hooks that I could spot are in the table below. Schwede66 03:52, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My Toby Olubi hook is in prep 3. Feel free to pull if it's of any use to you.--Launchballer 06:58, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Schwede66: I don't know if you saw this, but my Toby Olubi hook is Olympics-related, and could also run near the start of the Olympics.--Launchballer 11:11, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, I didn’t see that. I’ll have a look. Schwede66 13:06, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've pulled it out of Q3 and plugged the hole that I've made. Schwede66 23:36, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just noting here that Zhang Ziyu has been nominated. Whilst she does play basketball and China is competing in that discipline at in Paris, she's not (yet?) a member of the China women's national basketball team. Hence, we could use this as another warmup hook. Schwede66 05:01, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could somebody please review Draft:Adam Maraana? The review could double as a QPQ, as the intention of the IP editor is to have this run as part of the Olympics. Schwede66 06:15, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal[edit]

The Paris Olympics will be kicking off on 26 July 2024 with an opening ceremony in the early evening. Event competitions start two days earlier on 24 July with association football and rugby sevens. The closing ceremony (article yet to be written!) is on 11 August. That's 19 days of Olympics and as suggested above, we could run Solomon Islands at the 2020 Summer Olympics as a warmup just before that period.

There'll be some special date requests coming in and to avoid filling up individual hook sets with too much sport, I suggest we co-ordinate what will run when to spread things out in a logical fashion. I suspect that we'll stay in a 24-hour cycle for the duration of the event but if that changes, we can accommodate that as well. Time zone–wise, Paris is currently at UTC+02:00 (Central European Summer Time or CEST), hence there are no mental gymnastics necessary as long as we stay in the 24-hour cycle. Comments welcome. Helpers are welcome and essential; I certainly don't want to do this all by myself as this was quite a bit of work some three years ago for the Tokyo Olympics. And with regards to my own special interests, I shall tell you that the Kiwi rowers are in good shape; I can hear the medals clinking already! Schwede66 01:20, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Olympic hooks table[edit]

On the "Approved" page, there is now a heading Olympics: Special occasion holding area.

Article (nom) Requested Suggested date Prep set Notes (all times in CEST) Status
2024 European Athletics Championships – Women's 400 metres hurdles (nom) none 21 July This hook names Femke Bol who is due to compete in Paris. We have a second (double-)hook that names here, hence I suggest we run this as the first warm-up hook to put as much time between the two appearance of Bol as possible. This would lend itself as the picture hook as we've got a good photo. At SOHA
Breaking Through (2022 film) (nom) none 21 July The film deals with real events around the 2002 Winter Olympics, hence it's an ideal warmup hook. Under review
Zali Steggall (nom) none 22 July 1998 Olympic skier Under review
Zhang Ziyu (nom) none 22 July Plays basketball for China but isn't part of their Olympic team, hence suggested as a warm-up hook. Under review
Yang Jingru (speed skater) (nom) none 23 July One of the warm-up hooks; can run on any date before the Olympics start. Under review
René Heyde (nom) none 23 July One of the warm-up hooks; can run on any date before the Olympics start. At SOHA
Toby Olubi and Can't Touch This (nom) none 24 July One of the warm-up hooks; can run on any date before the Olympics start (24 is in fact the first day of competitions but we haven't got anything for that day yet) At SOHA; this double-hook has already had its admin checks done (by Cwmhiraeth)
Twice a Man (film) (nom) none 25 July ... that Olympia Dukakis's first screen role was in the avant-garde film Twice a Man? That's got to be a brilliant Olympics hook. At SOHA
List of petitions calling for Israel ban from Sports (nom) none 26 July Unsurprisingly, this article mentions the Paris Olympics numerous times. I suggest we run this to coincide with the opening ceremony, but it could run on any Olympic day. Review not yet started
Camil Doua (nom) 26 July Doua is competing in the men's 100 metre freestyle and the heats will be on 30 July. Problem is that we have two hooks for that date already. As Doua is flagbearer for Mauritania, the opening ceremony date is a perfectly viable alternative. Review not yet started
Fathimath Dheema Ali (nom) none 27 July The women's table tennis singles prelim round starts on 27 July At SOHA
Evann Girault (nom) none 27 July Girault is going to compete in men's sabre, and that competition is held on 27 July (from elimination to finals; all on one day) At SOHA
Lilia Cosman (nom) 28 July 28 July Cosman will compete in the qualification round on 28 July. Review not yet started
Aminata Barrow (nom) None 28 July Barrow will compete in women's 100 metre breaststroke, with heats on 28 July Under review
Lorrane Oliveira (nom) 28 July 28 July Oliveira will compete in women's artistic team all-around, with qualifications on 28 July. That's the third hook for that day. The nominator says that the team will most likely make it to the finals, to be held on 30 July, but we've got two hooks for that day already, so that's not a good alternative. At SOHA
Suriname at the 1960 Summer Olympics (nom) none 29 July One of the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks; can run on any day during the Olympics Under review
Alyssa Mendoza (nom) none 30 July Assuming that she is still featherweight, the women's 57 kg boxing competition begins on 30 July with the round of 32. At SOHA
Shachar Sagiv (nom) none 30 July Men's triathlon is scheduled for 30 July starting at 8:00 Under review
Andy Barat (nom) none 30 July Barat is going to compete in the men's slalom K-1, and that competition has its heats on 30 July. That's unfortunately the third article for this date. Review not yet started
Dylan Travis (nom) none 31 July The first USA men's 3x3 game is on 30 July. Subsequent games are on 31 July, 1, 2, and 4 August if that date gets too crowded. At SOHA; this hook has already had its admin checks done (by RoySmith)
Liechtenstein at the 1936 Summer Olympics (nom) none 1 August One of the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks; can run on any day during the Olympics Under review
American Samoa at the 2020 Summer Olympics (nom) none 2 August One of the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks; can run on any day during the Olympics At SOHA
Philippines at the 1924 Summer Olympics (nom) none 3 August One of the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks; can run on any day during the Olympics At SOHA
2022 European Athletics Championships – Women's 400 metres and 2022 European Athletics Championships – Women's 400 metres hurdles (nom) none 4 August This is the second hook that names Femke Bol. She is due to compete in 400 metres hurdles (heats on 4 August). At SOHA
Solomon Islands at the 2020 Summer Olympics (nom) none 5 August One of the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks; can run on any day during the Olympics At SOHA
Emmanuella Atora (nom) none 8 August Atora is due to compete in women's 57 kg taekwondo (assuming that she's still in this weight class). The competition is to be held on 8 August. At SOHA
Manizha Talash (nom) none 9 August Breaking or breakdancing is a new sport. Who would have known. At SOHA
Gaku Akazawa (nom) none 10 August Akazawa is going to compete in the men's freestyle wrestling 65 kg, with the event scheduled to start on 10 August. Review not yet started
Alasan Ann (nom) none 10 August Ann is going to compete in the men's taekwondo +80 kg, with all events scheduled for 10 August. Review not yet started
[[]] (nom)
Note that this should be a subsection within the existing special occasion section, not a separate section. I have adjusted accordingly. I don't understand why the Solomon Islands hook—not shown above but in the section itself—is listed for the day before the Olympics starts; it looks like one that could run any time during the actual Olympics, which the article on the games lists as July 26 through August 11. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:38, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I’ll add it to the table. Things got somewhat crowded last time, hence my thinking of running everything that’s not 2024 Olympics as a warmup beforehand. Schwede66 19:18, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
BlueMoonset, I can see where the confusion arises. As explained above, the Olympic competitions start on 24 July, two days prior to the opening ceremony. Schwede66 04:15, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Schwede66, in that case the lede of the article is wrong. It should be made clear there that while the opening ceremony is on 26 July, the competition itself begins on 24 July. No objection to the Solomon Islands hook running on 25 July if the Olympics themselves have already begun by then; I see no reason why it can't run during the Olympics themselves on a date where there isn't anything more appropriate. I don't think it should be a "warmup" hook, however. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:11, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've put the line "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit" into action and amended the lead of the 2024 Summer Olympics to spell out that some competitions start on 24 July. I'm easy about running "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" during the Olympics if there's room if that's what others prefer; I note we have three four five of those hooks. Schwede66 03:41, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, it's not too crowded this time (yet). I'll move the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks to show during the Olympics. Schwede66 05:59, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure if we really should have Template:Did you know nominations/Breaking Through (2022 film) run as part of the Olympics run since it deals with the Winter Olympics rather than the Summer Olympics. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:37, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do others share that concern? I don't think that Summer versus Winter Olympics is a big stretch. I note that there are four Winter Olympics hooks in the table above. The other thought is that any hook will have to run at some point, so why not have Olympic-adjacent hooks run just before the Summer Olympics? Schwede66 10:42, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GAN backlog drive in July[edit]

@DYK admins: and other members of the DYK community: WP:GAN is planning a backlog drive for July. This usually results in lots of DYK nominations, which in turn causes us to go into 2-sets-a-day. If able, please reserve some wiki-time for reviewing hooks and prep sets. Thanks! Z1720 (talk) 21:14, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Re "in turn causes us to go into 2-sets-a-day", that does not follow. We would only consider such a step if there are sufficient admins willing to commit to it.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
just ask the 'crats to give the bit to everyone who promoted a hook in the past month :v – Hilst [talk] 22:25, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Amakuru: Past backlog drives have caused the number of nominations to increase past the 120 threshold. Some editors and admin have used this condition to go to 2 sets a day, even if admin did not indicate that they are committed to it. This notice is to help admin get ready for this possibility. Z1720 (talk) 01:38, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think 2-a-day mode is a bad idea. As a matter of principle, I go on DYK strike when we do that. If other admins want to put in the time to make it work, more power to you, but I won't be. RoySmith (talk) 01:41, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I also see that as more errors, and less time to fix those errors. SL93 (talk) 02:14, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm also an oppose for using 2-a-days as a solution. The burden is too high for those doing the work. It's an unfortunate fact here that those doing the work are vastly outnumbered by those not doing the work, and every solution proposed to move some of that burden onto those not doing the work gets voted down by...wait for it...those not doing the work. Valereee (talk) 12:18, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I also don't like 2-a-day because it can be unfair to contributors in that how their work can get less main page attention than others that run a full day. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:56, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We should be fine without 12-hour-sets: that is the problem the new nine-hook sets are intended to solve. I don't think that we should go to two/day, but instead just let it even out over time. A little more discrimination in rejecting hooks wouldn't hurt. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:25, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
AirshipJungleman29, when 9 hooks a set was proposed you calculated that "10 per day minus pulled hooks should even it out." TSventon (talk) 10:34, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't believe I wrote that TSventon? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:39, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I did, and I left my workings at Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 196#Hook duration dynamics.--Launchballer 10:41, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies for my confusion AirshipJungleman29 and Launchballer. TSventon (talk) 11:25, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On the other hand, I think that nine hook sets, with timing out of older, less interesting noms at WP:DYKNA, should work well as a coherent long-term system. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:54, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was initially somewhat skeptical of 9 hooks per set, but it's been working out really well. At this point, I'd even be in favor of 10 hooks per day and encourage people to write shorter hooks. And, yes, not being so adverse to dropping submissions. By the time a nom gets to be 2 months old and is still struggling to get approved, it's time to move on. Even if we do manage to get it up to standard by investing a lot of work in it, by the time it could get published, it's no longer new, which is a a core part of what DYK is all about. RoySmith (talk) 14:51, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As a promoter I quite like the idea of the opposite RoySmith: going back down to eight-hook sets, and letting the really interesting, stand-out (and definitely error-free) hooks flourish without being surrounded by mediocre ones. The last few preps I've built have been much more enjoyable. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 07:43, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't be opposed to that. My main goal is that we never have to run 2 sets a day. If we can get there by being more selective about what we run, I'm all for that, but historically we seem unwilling to do that. RoySmith (talk) 14:52, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Older nominations needing DYK reviewers[edit]

The previous list of older nominations was archived yesterday, so I've created a new list of 37 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through June 8. We have a total of 258 nominations, of which 89 have been approved, a gap of 169 nominations that has increased by 17 over the past 8 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations.

More than one month old

Other nominations

Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 04:23, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can I also encourage reviewers to pay attention to the Olympic hooks listed above? The first one that's scheduled (for 19 July) hasn't even had a review started yet, and the queue and prep page reaches as far as 15 July already. Schwede66 04:56, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prep 5[edit]

Laura Veale[edit]

I think the Laura Veale hook would be easier understood if it specified the town of Harrogate Mach61 07:09, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. I think context makes clear enough that it's a place.--Launchballer 08:19, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer My initial thought was that it was a university or hospital of sorts. Mach61 12:03, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Added 'the town of'.--Launchballer 12:15, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"We want the ball and we're going to score!"[edit]

Changed to 'claimed', with the caveat that that is the only part of the hook I have checked, and I'll check the rest later.--Launchballer 12:15, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think "guaranteed" would be a correct interpretation, since it was overtime and a score would win the game (i.e. he's guaranteeing a score – which would mean victory – if he gets the ball). BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:07, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that "guaranteed" works (in the sense of "to assert confidently"), but if that's considered a problem, I think "promised" works much better than "claimed" in this context. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 16:16, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think the verb you're looking for is "boasted". Or maybe "pontificated" :-) RoySmith (talk) 17:01, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, "promised" or "pledged" is less confusing. JoelleJay (talk) 01:36, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I had to make sure of the 2004 overtime rules before comment - the. NFL changes from time to time. In 2004

Article 1 The sudden-death system of determining the winner shall prevail when the score is tied at the end of the regulation playing time of all NFL games. Under this system, the team scoring first during overtime play herein provided for, shall be the winner of the game and the game is automatically ended upon any score (including a safety) or when a score is awarded by the Referee for a palpably unfair act.

So by 2004 rules if his team had scored, they would have won. So it is a win-guarantee of sorts. Same NFL overtime rules applied in 2003. Bruxton (talk) 14:51, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A guarantee is not just a prediction, it's a promise backed up by an obligation to make the other party whole if you fail to deliver. In conventional use, "I guarantee the power train on this new car you're buying won't fail in the first 10 years, and if it does, I'll replace it for free". That's not what happened here. It was just a boast. There was no "and if we don't, I'll ..." part. RoySmith (talk) 16:18, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understand your point. In sports a guarantee is different. nothing was offered by the guy who made the most famous win-guarantee: Joe Namath Super_Bowl_III#Namath's_guarantee. You lose and you are embarrassed so you eat crow like Hasselbeck did in this situation. Bruxton (talk) 00:31, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I parse the construction "X guaranteed success for Y", noting the past test, as "guaranteed" being a post hoc descriptor of actions X took that did result in success for Y. I don't read it as describing a potentially failed guarantee made by X prior to the outcome of Y, so it's jarring when that latter sense is used. JoelleJay (talk) 01:49, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It does seem that we are getting too literal. as it is we are replacing a word that works with a synonym for the word. So both work. Lightburst (talk) 15:05, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prep 3 (week 1 July)[edit]

Beijing Watermelon[edit]

@Rjjiii, Morgan695, and AdJHu: This should be pulled from prep as it lacks a plot summary and lede that summarizes article's key points, contrary to WP:DYKCOMPLETE. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 21:17, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The plot summary section was titled something different. But the lead is currently just a single sentence. @Morgan695: do you want to try to quickly expand the lead, or pull the article for more time to write? Rjjiii (talk) 22:33, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've expanded the lede to be consistent with articles that meet DYK completeness standards. Morgan695 (talk) 05:00, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Rjjiii: Shouldn't an article about a 34-year-old movie include a longer plot summary? The current one isn't even long enough to be called a synopsis. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 06:10, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, gotcha, I can be very literal sometimes. Morgan695, what do you think about expanding the plot summary? The questions that the brief summary raises for me are:
  • What is the nature of the relationship between the grocer and students?
  • Does it tie into any broader cultural themes between the two countries?
  • And do we know what elements are based on historical fact and what elements are fiction?
Rjjiii (talk) 07:22, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've expanded the plot, though as the film is already something of a meandering slice of life-type story, I don't think it would improve reader comprehension for it to be significantly more detailed than what is currently there. Morgan695 (talk) 15:50, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Morgan695: No, it's too short. WP:FILMPLOT demands a self-contained plot summary with a length of 400–700 words. This shouldn't be an issue if you've seen the movie. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 18:34, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The MOS does not "demand" anything. If a plot can be adequately summarized in less than 400 words, what's the use in unnecessarily bloating it? If you're so sure it's too short, expand it yourself. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:04, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was just about to retract my comment until yours came up. In any case, the expansion will suffice since I have no discretion here. @Rjjiii: I got no more concerns on my end. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 19:05, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Nineteen Ninety-Four guy: thanks for the feedback and following up. The article is better for it, Rjjiii (talk) 05:30, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prep 1[edit]

Interstate 85 in North Carolina[edit]

(nom page: Template:Did you know nominations/Interstate 85 in North Carolina - I swapped this from Queue 2 just now to give more time for discussion)

A couple of queries - firstly, it took me quite a while to even locate in the article where this is referenced. So the text in question is "Past Holly Grove Road on milemarker 96, the northbound lanes cut under the southbound lanes ... the reversed lanes ... the northbound lanes cross above the southbound lanes and return to the normal direction". If we want to say that it "drives on the left" I think we should say that a bit more clearly.

Secondly, I'm not sure the sourcing is adequate for this statement. The cites for the lines in question are links to Google maps, which do indeed show the two lanes crossing twice... but is that sufficient for the above statement about driving on the left, or is this bordering on WP:OR in the absence of sourcing explicitly saying that? I certainly seems interesting, but if 3rd party secondary sources haven't thought to mention it, then I'm not sure we should either. I'd be interested to hear views on that. Pinging @NoobThreePointOh, Daniel Case, JuniperChill, and AirshipJungleman29:  — Amakuru (talk) 13:04, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The question of inappropriate use of maps as a source for this article was brought up earlier and I pushed it under the rug. So now we're back here with the same issue. I think this needs to be pulled. RoySmith (talk) 14:10, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I just looked at the article and clicked through to the sources. We're not even talking about a map. We're talking about Google Street View, i.e. some photographs taken by the automated camera car. If that's not WP:OR, I don't know what is. This can't stand. RoySmith (talk) 14:13, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pulled and unpromoted. RoySmith (talk) 14:22, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Amakuru @RoySmith Hold up, I found a proper source from the NCDOT showing a true map of I-85 driving on the left side in Davidson County. I think that should suffice and make it eligible for promotion again. You can go check it if you want as I fixed the sourcing. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 15:04, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please go discuss it on the nom page and build consensus there. After this getting pulled twice, we need to make sure we get this right this time. RoySmith (talk) 15:14, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Will do. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 15:15, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@RoySmith  Done. I'm just running on pure willpower from revisiting Mario Galaxy 2. Let's hope everyone agrees with my comment. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 15:23, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would agree with this only insofar as it's not plain-sight evident from the Street View image. Daniel Case (talk) 17:53, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Queue 2[edit]

Edwin Ford Piper[edit]

  • ... that American poet Edwin Ford Piper collected 828 folk songs, most of which were from Iowa and Nebraska?

Quick query, because there's a small wording difference between article and hook. The article says that he recorded 828 songs, in the middle of the paragraph about him collecting from Iowa and Nebraska and all that. But the hook says that he collected 828 songs. IS there a reason for this difference in verb? The implication for me is that he may have collected more songs than that over the years, but that he specifically recorded 828 of those. @SL93, Generalissima, and AirshipJungleman29:  — Amakuru (talk) 13:17, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Amakuru I don't remember why I said "recorded", but it should be "collected". He preserved the songs that he collected per "His most active period of collecting ended with World War I. After the war, he pursued songs only occasionally. By the time of his death in 1939, he had preserved 828 folksongs as well as hundreds of riddles, rhymes, play-party games, folk sayings, and quadrille calls." The hook could also use "preserved" instead of "collected", and I think that is the best option. SL93 (talk) 13:27, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SL93: cool, thanks. I've amended the hook. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 13:34, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Golden Girls (play)[edit]

  • ... that before reading the script for the play Golden Girls, at least nine of the cast members were under the impression that they would be taking the lead role?

The wording for this in the article says "as many of eight of his fellow cast members"... Firstly, this probably should say "as many as eight of his fellow cast members". Secondly, is "as many as" the same as "at least"? I'd have thought the opposite, that this means "up to" rather than "at least".... And finally, this is cited to Branagh's autobiography, which may constitute a primary source and Branagh's perspective on this may not match what an independent observer would say. Not necessarily a show-stopper, but I do wonder if it's appropriate to state this in Wikipedia's voice or not. Opinions on a postcard please. @BennyOnTheLoose, Sammi Brie, and AirshipJungleman29:  — Amakuru (talk) 13:23, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Branagh's quote is "They were all playing the lead, and that made nine of us in total." Happy for suitable rewordings, and, if character limit permits, for this to be attributed (e.g. "...according to Kenneth Branagh...") I hadn't thought using Branagh as a source for this was problematic tbh. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 21:39, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prep 5 (Week 1 July)[edit]

Mindustry[edit]

@JPxG: (the nom) @Sohom Datta: (the promoter) do you want the image in the hook? If so, this can be moved to prep 6. This hook had an image and was promoted to a prep 5 without one. I was the one who reviewed it. JuniperChill (talk) 17:04, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Images are included at the promoter's discretion JuniperChill, seeing as we receive between two and three times as many image hooks as we can fit into sets. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:28, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh I see. I am new to Wikipedia/DYK so that might be why. I'm fine with not having an image then. JuniperChill (talk) 17:43, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bulloak jewel[edit]

Hook needs in-text attribution to The Guardian source due to the presence of "arguably". Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 08:33, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging nominator Ornithoptera and reviewer Htanaungg. SL93 (talk) 02:29, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ornithoptera: Please note that I'm citing MOS:EDITORIAL here, where it states: "Use of adverbs such as notably and interestingly, and phrases such as it should be noted, to highlight something as particularly significant or certain without attributing that opinion, should usually be avoided so as to maintain an impartial tone; arguably is no exception. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 06:36, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nineteen Ninety-Four guy I went ahead and added in-text attribution to the hook. The nominator has had plenty of time to respond here. SL93 (talk) 19:18, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I was a bit unsure as to how to best tackle this. There is an ALT hook as well that could be used if that is more ideal. If not, would something like " that according to The Guardian, the bulloak jewel is "arguably" Australia's rarest butterfly?" Ornithoptera (talk) 19:28, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would be fine with that, but the source is Guardian Australia. ... that according to Guardian Australia, the bulloak jewel is "arguably" Australia's rarest butterfly? SL93 (talk) 19:30, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That should be fine. If it's too much, we can always choose ALT1 "... that the Australia’s most threatened butterfly is confined to a native range of under 10 square kilometres (3.9 sq mi)?" Whichever is more hooky is most ideal, but yes, you are correct that was my bad! Ornithoptera (talk) 19:33, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will ping the promoter Premeditated Chaos. I like ALT1 best because it isn't just one writer's opinion. SL93 (talk) 19:36, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No objection to ALT1 from me. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 20:07, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have changed it to ALT1. SL93 (talk) 20:42, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Request for expedited review for an anniversary[edit]

I recently finished developing 2022 Brink's theft and nominated it. I am hoping we can run it in a week, on July 11, the two-year anniversary of the event. I see P2 and P3 are all filled, but couldn't it be possible to bump one of those hooks back? Daniel Case (talk) 17:42, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Daniel Case: I will work on this today. I will review it, so it will need another editor to insert it in the desired prep. Lightburst (talk) 23:03, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Done ALT0 is a winner! Human error personified. Lightburst (talk) 23:48, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If we are going to run this on the 11th we need an uninvolved promotor to promote. Lightburst (talk) 19:29, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Giado hook[edit]

Hi @SL93, thanks for promoting Giado to Prep 6! Is there any reason why you chose the synagogue hook? It is definitely compelling (hence my nominating it), but it’s actually not totally unusual for Jewish camps in WWII. The ALT0, about prisoners engaging in trade with free people at the boundary of the camp, is way more unusual, and I am aware of very few camps where this was a reality. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 22:56, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zanahary I have never heard of either things before, and no one shared a preference. I can change it to the first hook if you want. SL93 (talk) 23:22, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! To be clear, I wasn’t challenging you, only querying whether you’d be opposed to the first hook :) ꧁Zanahary꧂ 23:24, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I realize that. I will change the hook. SL93 (talk) 23:25, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Zanahary, if you've got a hook preference, it's useful to say so on the nomination. Or provide just one hook and if that's not acceptable for whatever reason, you can always add further hooks later. Schwede66 01:05, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! I thought I had stated a preference, but I see now I just put my favorite hook first. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 01:12, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Zanahary, it's also acceptable for a nominator or reviewer to strike out a hook. The lets the promoter know you think the hook shouldn't be used. Valereee (talk) 18:48, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Updating nom talk page on image change?[edit]

We've got a bot that updates the nom talk page when a hook is changed after promotion. Would it be possible to make it also notice if the lead image changed? There's currently a bit of contretemps at WP:ERRORS because I failed to ping somebody when I updated an image. If we could automate that, it would be nice :-) RoySmith (talk) 21:01, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Theleekycauldron:, for obvious reasons. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:03, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That bot isn't even currently running, and will probably remain offline for the foreseeable future. So, another good idea for the pile- apologies that I'm only one person :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 21:35, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please add to the pile "clone self". Valereee (talk) 11:04, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aoi Koga special occasion request for August 24[edit]

I recently nominated this article for GA status and it's currently under review. I'm planning to nominate it for DYK once it passes. However, if the GAN passes before July 13, that would be just outside the six-week requirement for SOHA. My plan was to request a special occasion hook for August 24 (her birthday). If for example, the GAN finishes before the 13th, would it be okay to ask for an IAR exemption for August 24? Of course, this IAR exemption request would be moot if the review is completed after the 13th, I just wanted to make sure. I'm just asking ahead of time if an IAR exemption can be requested because, if it can't, I'm okay with it running as a regular hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:57, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No objection to IAR. We should encourage people to ask for that (rather than encouraging them to slow the roll on the GA review.) Valereee (talk) 11:03, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Valereee's rationale and support the request. Schwede66 21:19, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's six weeks from nomination date, not six weeks from qualification date. If the GAN were to finish today, so long as the nomination is not submitted until the 13th (which would be less than seven days after obtaining GA status and thus still within DYK rules), it would qualify for SOHA. No need for an IAR at all in that case. BlueMoonset (talk) 12:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That loophole should probably be closed, I think.--Launchballer 13:27, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not a loophole at all; it's how it was designed: nomination date was always the key. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:07, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prep 7 William Beck[edit]

... that William Beck was a gold miner, member of the Wisconsin State Assembly, and the first chief of the Milwaukee Police Department? That sounds rather mundane to me and not interesting in violation of WP:DYKINT. Link to nom page; Queen of Hearts is the nominator. The reviewer is new, hence I wouldn't expect them to pick up on this. Do others here think this is fine? Schwede66 23:34, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. It’s just a list of jobs. SL93 (talk) 00:08, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd disagree. I don't think every day would a person be a gold miner and a politician; if the wording could be fixed to emphasize that, the interest might bump up. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:11, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with your point, but maybe a better hook can be found as suggested by Airship. SL93 (talk) 01:20, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW, one of New Zealand's most famous politicians, Richard Seddon aka King Dick, used to be a goldminer. Maybe that's only unusual outside of places where there's gold. Schwede66 01:54, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, the article is about a German immigrant to New York, where he was a policeman, then to California to be a gold miner, who at various points was captured by Native Americans and involved in a shipwreck, and we've ended up with a hook mostly about obscure American political positions??? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:42, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Given the opposition to the above hook, maybe this might work better?
  • ... that William Beck emigrated to the US from Germany, became a policeman at 19, was wounded by a Native American tribe, and was shipwrecked before becoming Milwaukee's first police chief?
It's a bit on the long side at 189 characters and this could be shortened further, but maybe it's a better option here? The article does say "first chief of the Milwaukee Police Department" and so I don't know if "Milwaukee's first police chief" is accurate enough or not, but I was trying to make the hook more concise. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:33, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Queue 2[edit]

Republica (plant) and Republica weatbrooki[edit]

@Kevmin, InformationToKnowledge, and AirshipJungleman29: I cannot find in either article where it states that these species were named after the city of Republic. Can someone please quote the passage where it says this in both articles? Thanks. Z1720 (talk) 01:47, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In Republica (plant): "They chose to erect a new genus, named for Republic". Can't find it in the other article, but if it isn't it can easily be inserted in the last sentence of "History and classification". ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:32, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Missing sentence added to the end of the first paragraph in history and classification They chose the genus name as a latinized feminine form of the city name Republic.[1]--Kevmin § 14:59, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph Tetley[edit]

@Schwede66, Aszx5000, and Hey man im josh: The source says, "Adjusted to 2017 rates, Tetley ran off with under $7,000,000 NZD." Should the hook be changed to add "under NZ $7 million? Z1720 (talk) 01:53, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That would be more accurate, I suppose. Schwede66 01:57, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think the current hook reads better. I assumed that the sources implied it was "circa" or "almost" $7m. Saying "under" could imply anything from $0 to $7m?. thanks. Aszx5000 (talk) 07:20, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fine with that adjustment based on the implication. I don't think anybody is going to assume that they ran off with 1m given the context. Hey man im josh (talk) 11:55, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Banana (2024 video game)[edit]

@Generalissima, Panamitsu, Zxcvbnm, and Hey man im josh: While the Game Rant source verifies this information, the Polygon source says, "By June 17, Banana peaked at 858,915 players, briefly making it Steam’s most played game." Should this hook be changed to mention that it was the most played game on June 17? Z1720 (talk) 02:02, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In the review we agreed that it be changed to "... reached the second highest concurrent player count on Steam?" ―Panamitsu (talk) 02:55, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On top of this I do think it should be made clearer that this was not an all-time record. ―Panamitsu (talk) 02:57, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Was briefly the second-most played game on Steam" sounds more accurate. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 03:14, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think that could be a better wording. Hey man im josh (talk) 11:56, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Album covers of Blue Note Records[edit]

@Joeyquism, PSA, and AirshipJungleman29: While the word "look" has been used in two of the titles of sources referenced in the article, the quote is not used in the article body. Can this be added to the article, or should the hook's wording be changed? Z1720 (talk) 02:06, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The source I cited for this submission has "visual identity of jazz" in its body; this phrasing also shows up in the article itself. Could this be a better alternative for the hook ( ... that the album covers of Blue Note Records have been considered to be the visual identity of jazz?) joeyquism (talk) 02:24, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry; I read your initial message wrong. How about this revision (in the reception and impact section): Estelle Caswell of Vox praised the covers as iconic and described them to be "the 'look' of jazz"... Would this validate the hook's original phrasing? joeyquism (talk) 03:06, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zhang Ziyu[edit]

I'd like some others to comment at Template:Did you know nominations/Zhang Ziyu. Not sure what the best way to handle this is. The issue is this particular athlete in known for being tall, but there are discrepancies about what her true height is, and the nominator put forward a specific height for the hook. Not sure what the best way to handle this is both within the article's prose and in the hook. Best.4meter4 (talk) 16:52, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure why this couldn't be worked out at the nomination... ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:57, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ Cite error: The named reference Euphaeidae2021 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
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