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August 6
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Yahya Sinwar appointed Hamas Chairman
[edit]Blurb: Yahya Sinwar is named the chairman of the Hamas Political Bureau. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Yahya Sinwar is named the chairman of the Hamas Political Bureau following his predecessor, Ismail Haniyeh's, assassination.
Alternative blurb II: Yahya Sinwar is named the chairman of the Hamas Political Bureau following his predecessor, Ismail Haniyeh's, assassination by Israeli forces.
News source(s): Al JazeeraReuters AP
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- Nominated by Scu ba (talk · give credit)
Support New Head of state, notable coverage in the media, currently relevant geopolitically Scu ba (talk) 22:47, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Billy Bean
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
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- Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Not to be confused with Billy Beane. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:33, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Looks fine. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 21:54, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Connie Chiume
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SABC News
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- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:89E1:1A66:9443:4B37 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Alon Alush (talk · give credit)
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South African actress. 240F:7A:6253:1:89E1:1A66:9443:4B37 (talk) 18:04, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for the usual reason of a mostly-uncited filmography. The Kip (contribs) 19:19, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
August 5
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(Closed) Stock market decline
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Blurb: The Nikkei 225 experiences its largest one-day loss amid a global sell-off. (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post
Credits:
- Nominated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)
- Oppose single day losses or gains aren't good ITN stories. If there was a week long trend of bad stock news, that might be sonething, but markets are always volitile and thus short term trends aren't really good for ITN. Masem (t) 18:53, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- I would argue this has been going on for several days, since the Department of Labor's report. The S&P 500 Index, for instance, has been falling. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 19:52, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Certainly made all markets voilitle but in the larger picture, just more wild swings and not massive corrections... Yet. Other pundants are saying this was expected for a long time due to lack of fed interest cut and the perception infinite growth could go on forever, so the market is now just correcting. Either way, we don't have a significant enough long term economic impact appropriate for ITN. Masem (t) 20:13, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- I would argue this has been going on for several days, since the Department of Labor's report. The S&P 500 Index, for instance, has been falling. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 19:52, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support when article is improved. Economic news are underrepresented at ITN and this one is notable - global in nature, very much so in the news and historic as the largest one day loss. 2A02:8071:6362:54A0:549B:15AE:60C8:4E6 (talk) 18:58, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. This currently this doesn't have enough due weight for ITN. This is an ongoing event and may be mooted if the stock market recovers, or the sell-off could continue and become a bigger story to potentially merit ITN. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 18:56, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Hasn't been long enough to tell if this will mean anything yet. The article would need expansion anyway. Estreyeria (talk) 19:31, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment On Black Thursday, the decline was 11%. It closed high on Friday. The succeeding Monday and Tuesday had two more ~11% drops. Following that, much of the world plunged into a depression (I'm aware of the London crash and how reductive it is to claim the stock crash was the primary cause of the Depression; this is merely for comparison's sake). This is only one day, however, followed by an eerily similar good day. If the next two trading days have a comparable decline, I'll support. Sincerely, Dilettante 03:23, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose No evidence that this is more than your run of the mill market correction. We don't blurb that sort of thing even if it ends up foreshadowing a recession. The S&P 500's drop today was not even in the top twenty for one day declines. Japan's market drop is interesting but so far unclear what it's long term ramifications will be. And FWIW as of this comment the Nikkei Index is currently trading up around 10%. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:36, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The article has been nominated for deletion and the nominator's reason was
"plain economic news, and even as economic news goes it's not notable"
. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 11:16, 6 August 2024 (UTC) - Oppose The article is at Afd and the main impact of the event seems to be (as stated in the lead) the "heightening concerns of a recession" which I do not think is notable enough. Gödel2200 (talk) 12:59, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Hasina resigns
[edit]Blurb: Bangladeshi prime minister Sheikh Hasina resigns and flees the country following protests. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Bangladeshi Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina resigns and flees the country after protests that followed reform attempts.
Alternative blurb II: Sheikh Hasina resigns as prime minister of Bangladesh and flees to India following protests.
News source(s): India Today
Credits:
- Nominated by Rushtheeditor (talk · give credit)
- Updated by MAL MALDIVE (talk · give credit)
Major news.User:Rushtheeditor (talk) 09:50, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- If this is posted, I think 2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement should be mentioned in the blurb since the two are related. APK hi :-) (talk) 10:14, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- @APK: I added a link to Non-cooperation movement (2024). Do you think that’s fine or would a link to 2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement be better? Blaylockjam10 (talk) 10:27, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure which one would be better, but thank you for pointing out there is a more specific page. APK hi :-) (talk) 10:29, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- The alt blurb that was just added works. APK hi :-) (talk) 10:42, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- @APK: I added a link to Non-cooperation movement (2024). Do you think that’s fine or would a link to 2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement be better? Blaylockjam10 (talk) 10:27, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Prime minister fleeing country is big news, as were protests themselves. BilboBeggins (talk) 11:45, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Alt Blurb A very big international news. But yellow tag in the bold article needs to be resolved. PrinceofPunjabTALK 11:57, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support The Prime Minister resigning and fleeing, IIRC to India, is major news. The ongoing protests were major, and she has been accused of authoritarianism. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 12:32, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Very big news for sure. Also the above article mentioned is better.Sportsnut24 (talk) 10:38, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support: major news Wiki N Islam (talk) 10:49, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support: Extremely significant development from the Bangladeshi protests. Tofusaurus (talk) 10:54, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support with alt-blurb. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 10:55, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support here because I was surprised not to see it front page yet. Plutonium27 (talk) 11:40, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support per all MAL MALDIVE (talk) 11:43, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality. The section involving her last term has nothing except one sentence update as to her leaving the office. While I know ther's a whole separate article on the events leading to this point, we need at least one good sized paragraph summary of why this went this way in the bio article. --Masem (t) 12:01, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- There has been some expansion, but there should be more as to what specific actions or inactions she did in the previous protests now linked there that caused the population to turn against her. — Masem (t) 18:56, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality The target should be Sheikh Hasina, as the article for the protests is well short of main page quality. However, the details of the last term on her page need to be updated Gödel2200 (talk) 12:10, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support with alt burb probably the biggest international news right now. Nomian (talk) 13:12, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support because this is major news and alt blurb Sharier4 (talk) 13:31, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support with alt blurb Very big news but in the alt make Sheikh Hasina the bolded article instead of the protests Djprasadian (talk) 13:34, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Huge news. --Grnrchst (talk) 14:36, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Incredibly important post. Greatder (talk) 14:52, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Bangladesh is the eighth most populous country in the world and just had a revolution. This is gigantic news and its failure to be included so far reflects poorly on Wikipedia as a source of timely information. --Plumber (talk) 15:34, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- No need to make far reaching conclusions, it will be posted when an administrator assesses the article and confirms it's of good quality. BilboBeggins (talk) 15:57, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, but needs more cleanup and updates to be posted. Natg 19 (talk) 16:29, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, big news Personisinsterest (talk) 16:49, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Major geopolitical news, especially after the culmination of the protests is finally over Cranloa12n / talk / contribs / 17:55, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support ALTblurb Per above, imo the protests should have been ITN for a while now but this can suffice. Ornithoptera (talk) 19:12, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality. We can't post this while the controversy section is orange tagged for neutrality. Per WP:ITNUPDATE,
Articles that are subject to serious issues, as indicated by 'orange'- or 'red'-level tags at either the article level or within any section, may not be accepted for an emboldened link.
. So it should be fixed before posting. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 19:57, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have removed the tag until such time as the drive-by tagger creates a TP section explaining why policy supports the tag they placed after this ITN/C was opened. Per BRD, they'll need to gain consensus to restore the tag.-- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 22:36, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality per MonarchOfTerror. Support on notability per others. ArkHyena (talk) 20:02, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I suggest the target should be Non-cooperation movement (2024) because that is the primary article focused on this event. This is fairly better in terms of quality and improvements here wouldn't take much effort, unlike in the long and comprehensive bio of Sheikh Hasina. Nomian (talk) 20:29, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- The bio article is really close. The orange tag can be addresses and some of that material likely can go up to fill the gap in the section on her last term. If it was miles away I'd agree but it would be better for her more complete article to be target. — Masem (t) 21:03, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- The orange tag has been removed since no TP discussion was created concerning the tag. Perhaps the tagger could spend the time to explain themself on the TP. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 22:38, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- I moved the content about the more recent events that were put in the Controversies section up into the political career, as to meet my suggestion that there should be more there to explain why she fled the position (specifically her stance in the earlier protest). — Masem (t) 03:46, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- The orange tag has been removed since no TP discussion was created concerning the tag. Perhaps the tagger could spend the time to explain themself on the TP. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 22:38, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support ITN/R as change of head of government This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 20:55, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 23:51, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment There should be some discussion about the violence against Hindus in the blurb. JDiala (talk) 20:16, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Graham Thorpe
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sky News
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:D008:3BBC:2CAE:D4B9 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Fats40boy11 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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English cricketer. 240F:7A:6253:1:D008:3BBC:2CAE:D4B9 (talk) 07:31, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article is well sourced and updated. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:41, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Looks good. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 19:53, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support. - SchroCat (talk) 20:39, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 02:45, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
August 4
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RD: Tsung-Dao Lee
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
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- Nominated by Staraction (talk · give credit)
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Article needs work. Staraction (talk | contribs) 16:58, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Needs sourcing work. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 19:20, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support He won Nobel prize. -Abhishikt (talk) 00:23, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Please be reminded to focus on your review on article quality and readiness for use on MainPage, rather than who the subject was. Thanks. -- PFHLai (talk) 23:16, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Shobhana Ranade
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): All India Radio
Credits:
- Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Tachs (talk · give credit), Roland zh (talk · give credit) and Ohconfucius (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Indian social worker. Ktin (talk) 23:43, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support - article seems fully-sourced. The Kip (contribs) 05:55, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support. In a fairly decent shape. I've also cropped out the the main image to show only the subject. Cheers. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 04:53, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Source number 6 and 12 seem like blogs, are they really reliable? Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 21:51, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Novak Djokovic wins gold medal
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Blurb: In the 2024 Summer Olympics, Novak Djokovic wins the gold medal for men's tennis singles. (Post)
News source(s): Hindustan Times
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- Nominated by Jalapeño (talk · give credit)
- Oppose This is similar to the 100m nom below: this is already covered by ongoing. Gödel2200 (talk) 15:22, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose covered by ongoing Ion.want.uu (talk) 15:21, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose covered by ongoing. Lots of people are winning their first Olympic gold. Estreyeria (talk) 16:19, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose not a GS, which is ITNR; covered by ongoing. Unnamelessness (talk) 16:35, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Covered by ongoing and something similar to this nominated a day ago was not posted Hungry403 (talk) 17:31, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
August 3
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RD: Pasi Ikonen
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): YLE
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- Updated and nominated by Oceanh (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Finnish orienteer, world champion. Oceanh (talk) 00:09, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Looks good enough. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 19:50, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Yamini Krishnamurthy
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NDTV Indian Express
Credits:
- Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Indian classical dancer. Article meets minimum expectations for mainpage. Ktin (talk) 20:14, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Doesn't appear to be any problems. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 19:50, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) United Kingdom riots
[edit]Blurb: Far-right protesters riot in various parts of the United Kingdom in response to a fatal mass stabbing in Southport. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Far-right, racially motivated protesters riot in various parts of the United Kingdom in response to a fatal mass stabbing in Southport.
Alternative blurb II: Following a mass stabbing in Southport, far-right and anti-immigration riots occur across the United Kingdom.
News source(s): The Guardian, Reuters, The Times]
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- Nominated by FelineHerder (talk · give credit)
- Disrupstive event in a major country. -FelineHerder (talk) 19:46, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb, the event is very important but the racial/religious motivations here can't be ignored. Personisinsterest (talk) 22:41, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- The size of these seem small? While there are many across the country, they seem to be in the dozens to a few hundred or so at each, which is really not that significant in the larger picture. --Masem (t) 00:00, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose It's getting some coverage but the scale of the riots is not on a level that we would normally post at ITN. As far as I can tell the only thing that makes these riots stand out is that it is the far right instead of the left. That is admittedly somewhat unusual in the UK. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:07, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- What an utterly absurd take. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 09:11, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Please substantiate. 2403:580E:5715:0:4DA9:B890:A623:A48F (talk) 11:30, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- What an utterly absurd take. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 09:11, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support - significant; well-developed articles. As a side note, although they were on a larger scale, we put the 2011 riots on ITN, so this is not without precedent. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 15:56, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- We tend to post a lot of protests and riots in the first place (not just from the UK), when we should be more focused on what impacts those are having on the city/region/country where they are occuring. For example, the protests in Venezula are clearly having an impact due not just to their size but the challenge to the election. While there has been some acts of violence from these UK ones, they aren't at a scale that seem to be having that significant an impact at this point. — Masem (t) 16:01, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support on the proviso that the blurb delineates the 'mass stabbing of children' in Southport. The riots have gained significant traction in the past several hours. ♦ JAGUAR 17:27, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Maybe it's because I'm in the UK but right now these riots are pretty big, definitely the largest civil unrest in Britain since 2011, possibly even back earlier PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:50, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- This doesn't seem to be true. From a quick skim of the George Floyd protests in the United Kingdom in 2020, civil unrest was markedly larger in size/scope. spintheer (talk) 18:41, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Nowhere near comparable. Three times as many injured in these riots PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:01, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- This doesn't seem to be true. From a quick skim of the George Floyd protests in the United Kingdom in 2020, civil unrest was markedly larger in size/scope. spintheer (talk) 18:41, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Pretty exceptional. TrangaBellam (talk) 18:07, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support. What's happening in the UK is not political protests but widespread extremist violence, which is both more unusual and more significant. Nsk92 (talk) 18:50, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Sustained international coverage, which is unusual for similar protests. C F A 💬 19:04, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb because definite racial component. Increasing international coverage, as above.--Wuerzele (talk) 19:10, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb per Wuerzele. This is a significant period of rioting in England from extremist groups that has had significant international news coverage. ArkHyena (talk) 19:51, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Any blurb should mention the role of misinformation in triggering these events. Claiming that they're merely "in response to the stabbing" only lends credibility to said misinformation, which is the opposite of what an encyclopaedia should be aiming to do. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 20:49, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Motion seconded This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 21:39, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose These riots are not about anything in particular, I know the nominal cause was the Southport attacks but they have proved hopelessly misdirected. These riots are far right thugs and looters doing what thugs and looters do. Don't give them the oxygen of publicity. ITN's neutrality requirements do not prevent us exercising editorial judgement. 3142 (talk) 21:51, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- I don't oppose us posting this on ITN (it is in the news, unfortunately) but I do oppose us describing the rioters as "protesters" for this reason. Did we do that in 2011? No. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 09:16, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Seems to be ongoing now, and several incidents occurring. UK PM to hold an emergency meeting. RJX74 (talk) 00:44, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Gaining a lot of traction. Tons of coverage on the riot around the world, worth posting. Hungry403 (talk) 02:23, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support alt2; a significant event, and that blurb appears to best reflect the sources. BilledMammal (talk) 02:27, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 03:01, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Please add "anti-immigration riots". Kiwiz1338 (talk) 06:18, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- No need. The current blurb is concise, and the link between these riots and immigration is extremely tenuous. 'Far right' much better characterises their overall nature. GenevieveDEon (talk) 12:48, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- "link between these riots and immigration is extremely tenuous" you have to be kidding me right? That's a main talking point of protesters. "stop the boats" "go home" "England for the English", you watch these protests and you'll hear all these. Kiwiz1338 (talk) 19:23, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- No need. The current blurb is concise, and the link between these riots and immigration is extremely tenuous. 'Far right' much better characterises their overall nature. GenevieveDEon (talk) 12:48, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I think we are misinforming our readers by saying these riots have occurred "across the United Kingdom" in the blurb. The riots have been an almost exclusively English phenomenon, with only one relatively minor incident in Belfast. No riots have happened in Wales or Scotland, but that is what we're implying by saying these riots are happening "across the United Kingdom". --Grnrchst (talk) 14:39, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- 85% of the UK population lives in England. If the departments containing 85% of the population of France were rioting, would it be implying that the rioting was also happening in the other 15% if we says "protesters riot in France"? Unknown Temptation (talk) 14:49, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Different situation as the UK is a de facto federal state with four very distinct polities, unlike France which is quite centralised. However I don't think we should specify England as there is unrest occurring in the other nations. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 20:18, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- The UK isn't in any way a federal state. It's a highly centralised state with unequal devolution to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:50, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Different situation as the UK is a de facto federal state with four very distinct polities, unlike France which is quite centralised. However I don't think we should specify England as there is unrest occurring in the other nations. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 20:18, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- 85% of the UK population lives in England. If the departments containing 85% of the population of France were rioting, would it be implying that the rioting was also happening in the other 15% if we says "protesters riot in France"? Unknown Temptation (talk) 14:49, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) 100M
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Blurb: Julien Alfred of St. Lucia wins the women's 100m at the Olympics 2024. (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Sportsnut24 (talk · give credit)
- Had a discussion about this in the talk pages and it being the biggest sports event in 4 years. Men's is tomorrow, but like tennis grand slams, we can just update it then.Sportsnut24 (talk) 19:30, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Already covered by ongoing. 2A02:8071:6362:54A0:549B:15AE:60C8:4E6 (talk) 19:39, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Covered by ongoing item. Barring special significance, no single Olympic event rises to the level of a blurb imo. The Kip (contribs) 19:41, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Covered by ongoing per above, Editor 5426387 (talk) 23:31, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Antônio Meneses
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.thestrad.com/news/brazilian-cellist-antonio-meneses-dies-at-age-66/18411.article , https://concerto.com.br/noticias/musica-classica/morre-aos-66-anos-o-violoncelista-antonio-meneses , https://www.facebook.com/CelloMeneses/posts/pfbid044sM3nxYFCDj2TUcMoqzgY7RZntTqmiGG1pfKvaucJ43ncMDWLtebLy8UCcZwVV1l
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Zingarese (talk · give credit)
- Updated by CurryTime7-24 (talk · give credit) and Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: last paragraph of "career" (about discography) just needs a couple of little cites, which should take anyone 5-10 minutes with Google's help. Otherwise it should be good to go. Zingarese talk · contribs (please mention me on reply; thanks!) 18:39, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- should be GTG now as far as citing is concerned. Let me know if there are any other problems. Zingarese talk · contribs (please mention me on reply; thanks!) 20:05, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article looks to be of sufficient quality. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 19:44, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I nominated, and only then saw "he" was already here: One of few great cellists of his generation, the cellist of the legendary Beaux Arts Trio. The article was already pretty detailed and sourced. There could be more about what music, and reviews. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:33, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 23:10, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
2024 Lido Beach attack
[edit]Blurb: Al-Shabaab killed more than 20 people and injured dozens in an attack (pictured) on a popular spot in Mogadishu, Somalia. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Over 20 people were killed, and dozens were injured in an Al-Shabaab attack at Lido Beach, Mogadishu (pictured).
Alternative blurb II: Al-Shabaab's deadly attack at Mogadishu's Lido Beach (pictured) leaves over 20 dead and dozens injured.
News source(s): Reuters AP
Credits:
- Nominated by QalasQalas (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: It's effectively capture the tragic event and the broader implications of Lido Beach Attack
- Neutral — You will need to demonstrate how this is a significant development in the Somali civil war. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 17:53, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Article is very not NPOV, and it's already in the current events portal under the civil war. Sharrdx (talk) 18:55, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- An article being featured in the current events portal has no bearing as to whether it should be posted as a blurb. Gödel2200 (talk) 19:31, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Support I'm not wowed by the article quality but this appears to be a major terrorist incident with significant loss of life. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:26, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Weak oppose Grim as it sounds, both Timeline of al-Shabaab-related events and the sub-categories of Category:Terrorist incidents in Somalia in the 2020s indicate that attacks of this scale unfortunately don't seem to be uncommon events in Somalia, and the article doesn't really detail why it's especially significant compared any others. The Kip (contribs) 19:50, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- @The Kip deadliest attack since 2022 Somali Ministry of Education bombings. QalasQalas (talk) 21:32, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- I’m not sure if deadliest attack in under two years establishes unique significance. The Kip (contribs) 22:53, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Additionally as this is (as far as I can tell) the fourth attack at Lido Beach in as many years. Curbon7 (talk) 04:24, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- I’m not sure if deadliest attack in under two years establishes unique significance. The Kip (contribs) 22:53, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- @The Kip deadliest attack since 2022 Somali Ministry of Education bombings. QalasQalas (talk) 21:32, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- @ElijahPepe one of the dealiest attack. QalasQalas (talk) 23:28, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Oppose The article only has two paragraphs on the attack itself, the rest being background and reactions. As The Kip said, these types of attacks seem to be relatively common in Somalia. Gödel2200 (talk) 15:28, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Significant attack with a significant loss of life. C F A 💬 21:05, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Leaning Oppose, obviously this is tragic but: 1. the article doesn't talk much about the attack, and 2. this seems to be a fairly common occurrence and not particularly notable in the war. Personisinsterest (talk) 19:35, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Jürgen Ahrend
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): De Volkskrant
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Influential internationally known organ builder, especially known for restoring Baroque organs such as Arp Schnitger's. The article was short in prose and detailed in list. Prose and referencing expanded. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:20, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Master organ builder based in Germany. Article long enough and referenced. Grimes2 (talk) 15:54, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 21:49, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Craig Shakespeare
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, ESPN, Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:D008:3BBC:2CAE:D4B9 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Unknown Temptation (talk · give credit) and Fats40boy11 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
English footballer and coach. 240F:7A:6253:1:D008:3BBC:2CAE:D4B9 (talk) 07:50, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The Playing Career section could use more citations. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 19:42, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose playing career section needs a lot more citations. Better quality photo would be good too. The rest of the article is very good. Added cn tags to help. Abcmaxx (talk) 20:35, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Joyce Brabner
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Comicsbeat
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:A80D:4F7:9392:624C (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Mikeross22 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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American comic book writer. 240F:7A:6253:1:A80D:4F7:9392:624C (talk) 18:50, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose 2 cn tags and article is missing citations throughout. Also there are so many quotes in the article, which isn't a critical issue but makes the article's writing a bit weird. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 20:01, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Leonard Hayflick
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/leonard-hayflick-obituary?pid=207364352
Credits:
- Nominated by Stefan Economou (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Bob305 (talk · give credit) and Suslindisambiguator (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
American cell biologist.
- Support The article has been improved considerably, and Hayflick's contributions to cell biology and vaccine development are very consequential. Stefan Economou (talk) 02:14, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Important guy, article seems fine
- There is a {lead too long} tag atop the wikipage. And there are multiple paragraphs with zero footnotes. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 16:17, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) American–Russian prisoner exchange
[edit]Blurb: The United States and Russia agree to a prisoner exchange, releasing twenty-six individuals. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The United States and Russia agree to a prisoner exchange of twenty-six individuals at the Ankara Esenboğa Airport (pictured).
Alternative blurb II: The United States and Russia agree to a prisoner exchange, releasing twenty-six individuals.
Alternative blurb III: The United States and allies agree to a a prisoner exchange with Russia, releasing twenty-six individuals.
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)
- Support once completed and the article is updated. This is reportedly the largest prisoner swap since the end of the Cold War [2]. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 14:43, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Highly important Personisinsterest (talk) 15:01, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Specifically the altblurb, and would support a free image of the prisoners being released if possible Personisinsterest (talk) 15:06, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb2 - The location of the swap (Ankara Airport) is not important. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 15:21, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on notability prisoner exchanges happen frequently and even amongst warring nations, I cannot see why this particular exchange is notable. Abcmaxx (talk) 15:40, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- This is the largest since the Cold War,[3] and between two of the most powerful countries on earth Personisinsterest (talk) 15:51, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support as per Jessintime and Personisinterest. Prefer altblurb.yorkshiresky (talk) 15:59, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose both on significance and quality. Ignoring the descriptions of the exchanged persons, the article has like two paragraphs of material about the actual process, nowhere close to standards. Biggest the biggest since the Cold War is not how significance should be judged. Masem (t) 16:17, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- How should it be judged then? ~~ Jessintime (talk) 17:15, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- What impact does it have on US Russia relations or is this going to impact the situation in Ukraine or with NATO. This reads as a routine type of exchange outside of the number being made at one time. — Masem (t) 17:22, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Is it routine? I believe the last time this happened was 2022. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 20:06, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Two years ago seems routine to me. Masem (t) 21:10, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- It is. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:12, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- There is nothing routine about it. The scale, the preparation, the fact that seven countries participated, amount of prisoners exchanged and their weight and recognisability, connections to Navalny case. There are several people on the list whose getting to prison justified a blurb.
- Unprecedented is that a third country takes political prisoners who don't have any connection to it, among other things such as structure of this exchange.
- And how often are political prisoners exchanged. BilboBeggins (talk) 12:31, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- It is. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:12, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Two years ago seems routine to me. Masem (t) 21:10, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- First of all, what it has to do with Ukraine? It didn't participate in the exchange.
- Second, why does this item need to depend on events that are WP:CRYSTAL? How one can know what the impact will be? Some people say that this may lead to further negotiations, on a higher level, some say that it inferes thaw in relations, others are convinced in the opposite. But the important thing is that people discuss it and it is focus, it is in the news all over the world BilboBeggins (talk) 12:25, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Is it routine? I believe the last time this happened was 2022. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 20:06, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- What impact does it have on US Russia relations or is this going to impact the situation in Ukraine or with NATO. This reads as a routine type of exchange outside of the number being made at one time. — Masem (t) 17:22, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on notability and quality. Prisoner exchanges are common, and the article needs additional sources. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 03:43, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- How should it be judged then? ~~ Jessintime (talk) 17:15, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support obviously. Highly significant, as evidenced by the prominence of those exchanged. 2A02:8071:6362:54A0:549B:15AE:60C8:4E6 (talk) 16:26, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Apart from the Background section, there is almost no substance to this article. Yakikaki (talk) 16:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle As noted, #Prisoner exchange needs expansion. Supporting on the merits as a noteworthy international relations story. I grant the systemic bias in this, but the cases of Evan Gershkovich and Paul Whelan (security director) are noteworthy in the U.S. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:42, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose both on significance and article quality per Masem and Abcmaxx. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:55, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Significant news and unique compared to other exchanges. Randam (talk) 17:28, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, great for the families, extortion from the Russians for embarrassing the US. Also, don't link countries on the Main Page per MOS:OVERLINK. Abductive (reasoning) 17:42, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Globally significant (views to the contrary are baffling to me - the biggest prisoner exchange between two nuclear-armed, Permanent Five powers since the Cold War?). It also involves numerous other nations (Turkey was a mediator, some of the prisoners were from Germany, Poland, Slovenia, Norway, at least one prisoner was freed from Belarus). So this is a multilateral thing. Article quality seems there, and improving still. Neutralitytalk 18:08, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality as I'd like to see some expansion of the prose. Support on notability, though. The Kip (contribs) 18:47, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Masem makes a convincing argument. SerialNumber54129 19:27, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Masem. _-_Alsor (talk) 19:51, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The nomination presents this as a US initiative when it seems that Germany has the lion's share of the Western end of this. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:02, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Well yeah but it was a hostage deal between America and Russia Personisinsterest (talk) 20:28, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- The news source given in the nomination presents it as a "Russia-West prisoner swap". The nomination then replaces West with America throughout. It's wrong. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:01, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- The core element of the deal happening was in Germany serving life sentence. BilboBeggins (talk) 12:33, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- The fact that the blurb is bad doesn't make this postable or not. Suggest a new blurb if you think it is inaccurate or unacceptable. Natg 19 (talk) 21:08, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- The US exceptionalism and nationalism seems to permeate the article and nomination. See its talk page. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:01, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Well yeah but it was a hostage deal between America and Russia Personisinsterest (talk) 20:28, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Let the record reflect that I comment on ITN most often to note U.S.-centric bias. I incorrectly assumed that the deal was between the U.S. and Russia at first, as well. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 01:27, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support The very sort of article we should be running; in the news and not so easy for readers to locate. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Masem Hungry403 (talk) 21:01, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, oppose on quality. As others have mentioned, the details on the prisoner exchange itself are lacking in prose. The article should be expanded upon before the blurb is posted. ArkHyena (talk) 21:55, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability In fact, there is precedent to post these types of things; for instance, Brittney Griner's release was posted. And with this event having many more prisoners being exchanged than that one, this passes the bar of significance in my mind. Gödel2200 (talk) 00:08, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, oppose all current blurb options. A better blurb may be something along the lines of Russia released western journalists/political prisoners in exchange for releasing criminals held in western countries. Or similar. My wording is crap. There isn't a clear good short wording for this. But I agree with others that the blurb should not place undue emphasis on the US, given that from my reading 7 western countries were involved in the discussions for this exchange. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 04:03, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Most biased ITN i have ever seen AlexBobCharles (talk) 07:52, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support This is huge, and many prominent politicians and journalists are involved. Trepang2 (talk) 04:43, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Major prisoner exchange between major countries in the major power blocks in the Second Cold War, historical and highly notable. --Gerrit CUTEDH 06:22, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. There weren't 26 people released, only 24, other two on the plane being kids whose parents were detained in Slovenia. Regarding the sides of exchange, altblurb3 is the correct one, because seven countries participated. Maybe it makes sense to mention Germany explicitly, because the most important contribution was by Germany and it has received all but three people of those who were sent to the West. BilboBeggins (talk) 12:19, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The photo should not be posted as it would be pro-US bias . Altblurb 3 is the best one
- The photo should be posted, it's the only group photo in public domain, no bias with photo. BilboBeggins (talk) 13:38, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- I know , i meant for it be posted with no photo AlexBobCharles (talk) 15:39, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb. The biggest prisoner exchange between West abd East since World War 2 [4]. In the news and analysed all over the world, the biggest news currently. The event is by no means trivial, as seven countries participated in swap, with Turkey serving as neutral party, and there were also difficulties in legal justification and abiding by law. This led to debate in Germany and may influence future of the governing coalition (because its members had varying opinions on thr issue). The situation is very complex and for sure there will be consequences, changes for bilateral relations between countries participating in the exchange, and more. BilboBeggins (talk) 13:47, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- The article quality has improved considerably and the title has been changed in view of the discussion. I think the consensus has shifted to support? Let me see some more feedback, then ready to post. --Tone 15:09, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Probably the last big international event of the year unless war breaks out between Iran and Israel. Count Iblis (talk) 15:55, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- -until war breaks out between Iran and Israel Personisinsterest (talk) 16:19, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support, in the news internationally and the article is in good shape. -- Tavix (talk) 16:25, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support highly notable and in relatively good quality, Editor 5426387 (talk) 16:28, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posting. Feel free to add the picture. --Tone 17:42, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- I don't feel the quality concerns raised early have been sufficiently addressed. Take out the background and list of people, and you have almost nothing of substance here and less than what we would normally expect. All the claims how this is that significant should be then easy to source to explain that by those making those claims, not just handwaving that factor. I am not going to ask for it to be pulled, but we have to make sure that what we are posting represent some of WP's best work since we're highlighting it on the main page. --Masem (t) 17:46, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. The posted blurb still emphasises the United States and treats the other countries involved as insignificant allies, i.e. puppets or stooges comparable with Belarus. This is not accurate or complete, as I understand it. The key prisoner was not Gershkovich, who is currently the primary focus of the article, but Krasikov who was the guy that Russia really wanted as he's a personal acquaintance or colleague of Putin. Krasikov was held by Germany and so their agreement was vital in getting the deal done. The Germans refused previously, holding out for a swap with Navalny and so it was his death that opened things up. The article doesn't explain this well and just seems to be cheer-leading for the US to make Biden and Harris look good. It comes across as blatant US propaganda. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:12, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- If not for Germany, the swap wouldn't have happened. So I agree with you. As I mentioned before, I also have issue with 26 released. If by ghat we mean that they were on planes, then yes. But many may understand this as if all 26 were released from prison, which is not the case. BilboBeggins (talk) 18:27, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- The blurb is now in play at WP:ERRORS so we have a multilateral situation. I just looked at the lead of the article and the only named people are Americans. The lead picture is American showing Americans and an American flag. There's then a section all about a particular American. The negotiations section then starts with a link to VP Harris. It's like the Simpsons when Homer chants USA! USA! But see WP:NPOV... Andrew🐉(talk) 18:57, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- If not for Germany, the swap wouldn't have happened. So I agree with you. As I mentioned before, I also have issue with 26 released. If by ghat we mean that they were on planes, then yes. But many may understand this as if all 26 were released from prison, which is not the case. BilboBeggins (talk) 18:27, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. The posted blurb still emphasises the United States and treats the other countries involved as insignificant allies, i.e. puppets or stooges comparable with Belarus. This is not accurate or complete, as I understand it. The key prisoner was not Gershkovich, who is currently the primary focus of the article, but Krasikov who was the guy that Russia really wanted as he's a personal acquaintance or colleague of Putin. Krasikov was held by Germany and so their agreement was vital in getting the deal done. The Germans refused previously, holding out for a swap with Navalny and so it was his death that opened things up. The article doesn't explain this well and just seems to be cheer-leading for the US to make Biden and Harris look good. It comes across as blatant US propaganda. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:12, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- I don't feel the quality concerns raised early have been sufficiently addressed. Take out the background and list of people, and you have almost nothing of substance here and less than what we would normally expect. All the claims how this is that significant should be then easy to source to explain that by those making those claims, not just handwaving that factor. I am not going to ask for it to be pulled, but we have to make sure that what we are posting represent some of WP's best work since we're highlighting it on the main page. --Masem (t) 17:46, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Gershkovich and Whelan were the only people initially confirmed. The image is the only public domain image pertaining to this. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 19:04, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Pull The article is nonsensically lop-sided. There's an entire massive paragraph about Gershkovich (why?), a paragraph about negotiations which should be titled "American negotiations", and the reactions section ... well, you get the picture. Practically nothing about Germany without who this wouldn't have happened at all. Black Kite (talk) 19:06, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- The info from article in other languages may be added. BilboBeggins (talk) 09:51, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Pull The article is not ready for the main page, containing a fully unsourced background section. Gödel2200 (talk) 22:26, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I've dealt with the copyvio problems but this has just left a lot of the article unsourced. Black Kite (talk) 10:06, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Post-posting support The article was put together pretty quickly given how fast the news developed. It can be continually improved. This is the largest prisoner exchange since the Cold War, possibly ever. Posting it was the right call. Pats2017 (talk) 00:31, 4 August 2024 (UTC)Pats2017 (talk)
- There is no timeliness factor for ITN posting. Quality must be established before it is posted, and even at the current state, the substance of the article (the negotations of the trade) are barely discussed. --Masem (t) 00:35, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- <<There is no timeiness factor for ITN posting>>
- Not my point. The point is that it's a huge story that people going to Wikipedia will look for. And as for quality, we of course want a high-quality article. As I said, it can always be revised and improved. But even if it can use improvement the magnitude of the story merits consideration for WP:IAR. The item has been posted and should remain so.Pats2017 (talk) 00:48, 4 August 2024 (UTC)Pats2017
- Quality is a non-negotiable requirement for any article linked as a featured one from the Main Page, since those are supposed to represent some of WP's best work. We don't IAR quality for timeliness. And if readers aren't seeing a news story they thing might be in the ITN box, its why we also include the Current Events portal to help further while the article may be improved. --Masem (t) 01:10, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- We've routinely put stories up before that weren't the best quality--we do it all the time for sporting events, award ceremonies, elections.
- You may disagree with me about what qualifies our "best work," but In The News always represents our best work that we could post in a timely manner, give that we have at most seven days before items become stale. There are always comments in the Talk Page about how an "article is good enough" to post (You can scroll down the current ITN Talk Page for at least three instances.)
- I can understand the case for Pulling an item that clearly doesn't meet ITN criteria on signficance (for example, the Beatles "new hit song" item that got posted and then--correctly imho--pulled a while back). But this is clearly a ITN-worthy item that affects at least seven nations and has a profound impact. The toothpaste is out of the tube. Pulling the item back at this point is silly. Pats2017 (talk) 01:38, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- We do not post things like awards, sports results, or elections without the article being at least a reasonably complete state within the hours or days after that has completed. For new news events, there is a reasonable expectation of what could be included. For this prisoner trade, there are several articles (now? maybe not 24-48 hrs ago) that have significant deals - far more than what our current article's two paragraphs fail to properly summarize. That's the type of expection we want to those non-routine events. Same applies to disaster articles; we don't post until we know we have a sufficient amount of detail about the event itself. We're not expecting completeness, and things can change and be added after posting, but the initial post needs to be of a certain level that shows the article is trending towards meeting all core content policies and thus appropriate for an encyclopedia, not just regurgitating the news. For example, there's still what seems to be underselling of the Germany role in these negotiations, which makes this still an NPOV issue. --Masem (t) 02:12, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Fair point re:Germony, but it doesn't nullify my point that every article currently on the ITN board got the "article is good enough" seal of consensus on the Talk Page prior to posting. The prisoner swap article also needs improvement and will continue to be revised.
- Don't make perfect the enemy of good. There's no need to pull the article. Just keep working roward making it better. Pats2017 (talk) 02:28, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- We do not post things like awards, sports results, or elections without the article being at least a reasonably complete state within the hours or days after that has completed. For new news events, there is a reasonable expectation of what could be included. For this prisoner trade, there are several articles (now? maybe not 24-48 hrs ago) that have significant deals - far more than what our current article's two paragraphs fail to properly summarize. That's the type of expection we want to those non-routine events. Same applies to disaster articles; we don't post until we know we have a sufficient amount of detail about the event itself. We're not expecting completeness, and things can change and be added after posting, but the initial post needs to be of a certain level that shows the article is trending towards meeting all core content policies and thus appropriate for an encyclopedia, not just regurgitating the news. For example, there's still what seems to be underselling of the Germany role in these negotiations, which makes this still an NPOV issue. --Masem (t) 02:12, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Quality is a non-negotiable requirement for any article linked as a featured one from the Main Page, since those are supposed to represent some of WP's best work. We don't IAR quality for timeliness. And if readers aren't seeing a news story they thing might be in the ITN box, its why we also include the Current Events portal to help further while the article may be improved. --Masem (t) 01:10, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- There is no timeliness factor for ITN posting. Quality must be established before it is posted, and even at the current state, the substance of the article (the negotations of the trade) are barely discussed. --Masem (t) 00:35, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Assassination of Mohammed Deif
[edit]Blurb: Israel confirms that it assassinated Mohammed Deif, the military commander of Hamas, last month. (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post, Al Jazeera
Credits:
- Nominated by Nice4What (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Another significant assassination in the context of the war. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 11:35, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Wait, until more evidence comes out let’s hold off on posting. Dudes article has a few CN tags. Ion.want.uu (talk) 12:31, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- I mean, they said that on the first day. Seeing as there's no more evidence and that this is denied by Hamas, I don't think we can post this Personisinsterest (talk) 12:38, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hamas has not confirmed or denied the death. We can wait until then to decide whether to post. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 13:11, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as stale. The notable thing would be the death of Deif, not the announcement of his death. And, if the announcement is correct, he would have died weeks ago, so this would be stale. Also, as others have said, it is still not fully clear if he really was killed in the strike. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:40, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Gödel2200: The timing and staleness of a news story are based on the date when the news was announced, which is not necessarily the date that something happened. Per ITN's procedural guidelines:
"for purposes of determining timing and staleness, the date is considered when the event was first reported in reliable sources."
Kurtis (talk) 23:33, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Gödel2200: The timing and staleness of a news story are based on the date when the news was announced, which is not necessarily the date that something happened. Per ITN's procedural guidelines:
- Merge into the blurb about Ismail Haniyeh. The staleness is not a big deal if the news is breaking now – see the entry for William Calley who died back in April. The strike on Fuad Shukr might be added too but he was Hezbollah rather than Hamas. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:52, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Eh, it's two different strikes and this one isn't even confirmed. Personisinsterest (talk) 15:06, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- One was the political leader of Hamas and the other its main military leader and so they naturally complement each other. Both events still have some uncertainty about the details but so it goes. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:05, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Eh, it's two different strikes and this one isn't even confirmed. Personisinsterest (talk) 15:06, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb as worded. "Assassination" is a term used to denote an act of criminal murder and as such would be highly problematic per NPOV. I can't recall any incident where the killing of the military commander of an enemy with whom you are in a formal state of war was labeled as an assassination. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:07, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as stale This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 17:44, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Orbitalbuzzsaw: The timing and staleness of a news story are based on the date when the news was announced, which is not necessarily the date that something happened. Per ITN's procedural guidelines:
"for purposes of determining timing and staleness, the date is considered when the event was first reported in reliable sources."
Kurtis (talk) 23:35, 1 August 2024 (UTC) - Even if rejected for blurb, this can still be posted as an RD. Curbon7 (talk) 23:44, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Orbitalbuzzsaw: The timing and staleness of a news story are based on the date when the news was announced, which is not necessarily the date that something happened. Per ITN's procedural guidelines:
- I disagree with the closure of this discussion, which I feel was done prematurely and based on erroneous reasoning. First, the news itself is not stale if it was just announced. As ITN's guidelines very clearly state:
"for purposes of determining timing and staleness, the date is considered when the event was first reported in reliable sources."
Therefore, Mohammed Deif's death is still breaking news, and still a viable candidate for a blurb. I also feel that the discussion was closed too hastily, as even if we don't approve a separate blurb, we might still incorporate it into the current blurb regarding the death of Ismail Haniyeh like Andrew Davidson suggests (which is what I would support). And although I think it's very helpful to have non-admins closing discussions, NACs should mostly be done in cases where the consensus is completely unambiguous and unlikely to change in the near future. In more complex cases, the closing party should have the full range of options available to them, which includes the ability to post it, or to modify an existing blurb. I'd re-open this discussion myself, but I'll leave the decision to other observers. Kurtis (talk) 23:03, 1 August 2024 (UTC) - Reopened, this isn't stale as the announcement is recent. Stephen 23:05, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - it's an Israeli claim, not an established fact. nableezy - 23:47, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - stale. The Kip (contribs) 04:08, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- @The Kip: How so? It was only recently announced. Kurtis (talk) 06:52, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- There were conflicting reports on his death as early as the airstrike itself, which was weeks ago - this is just Israel formally staking a claim, which itself isn't entirely clear on veracity. The Kip (contribs) 16:55, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- @The Kip: How so? It was only recently announced. Kurtis (talk) 06:52, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Hamas has still not confirmed his death AlexBobCharles (talk) 07:55, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, It's just an israeli claim, and is denied by Hamas, there's no more evidence.--Dr-Taher (talk) 06:14, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
Halla Tómasdóttir becomes president
[edit]Blurb: Halla Tómasdóttir is to be sworn in as the president of Iceland after elections in June. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
Abcmaxx (talk) 10:43, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Several things to comment. First, Iceland is a parliamentary republic and its head of state has no executive powers. Consequently, it is not ITNR. Secondly, I would wait for the official inauguration. And, thirdly, the presidential election was two months ago, so the main article cannot be the one about the election because it is stale and should be the one about Tómasdóttir. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:49, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- For some reason I got the months wrong. Amended now. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:53, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- thanks! The problem now is that it's a short biography. The articles in Icelandic and Italian have more content with sources. The articles may help to expand on this. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:03, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- For some reason I got the months wrong. Amended now. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:53, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose we didn't include the Icelandic election, therefore we shouldn't include the swearing in. Scu ba (talk) 11:22, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Actually if we missed the Icelandic elections this is a good opportunity to remedy this and post. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:43, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Correct. _-_Alsor (talk) 12:56, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- No. We didn’t miss the Icelandic election. It was put up as a cannidate. The result of the discussion was to not post it since 1) it’s Iceland and 2) the office of president is ceremonial and 3) we haven’t posted an Icelandic presidential election before. Scu ba (talk) 13:26, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- I wasn't aware of the previous discussion but none of those seem like a good reason on their own to oppose: 1. Iceland is a fully sovereign state, and isn't a micronation by any means; its relatively small population should not really be a discriminating factor. 2. It's ceremonial in many states, and the president is still a representative of the nation with political influence 3. That does not mean it cannot ever be posted. Abcmaxx (talk) 15:38, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Don't get me wrong, I agree, Iceland's results should've been included in the news, but it wasn't. We don't include swearing ins so we shouldn't break precedent here. Scu ba (talk) 16:40, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- I wasn't aware of the previous discussion but none of those seem like a good reason on their own to oppose: 1. Iceland is a fully sovereign state, and isn't a micronation by any means; its relatively small population should not really be a discriminating factor. 2. It's ceremonial in many states, and the president is still a representative of the nation with political influence 3. That does not mean it cannot ever be posted. Abcmaxx (talk) 15:38, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Actually if we missed the Icelandic elections this is a good opportunity to remedy this and post. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:43, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support to compensate for missing the Icelandic election, as per Abcmaxx. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 15:14, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for now as Halla Tómasdóttir is a stub. Willing to reconsider if expanded. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:22, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on both quality and notability; the main article is a stub and the office is largely ceremonial, with little impact. Yakikaki (talk) 16:48, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support since we missed the election, pending improvements (including finding a picture) This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 17:43, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, wait for inauguration Personisinsterest (talk) 19:38, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose -- not ITNR. President of Iceland is ceremonial and has no power. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 10:08, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The president of Iceland does have some executive powers, though I think we should only be posting the prime minister. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:13, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. The Kip (contribs) 18:16, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
July 31
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(Posted) RD: Anshuman Gaekwad
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Times of India
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Simplyarnab (talk · give credit) and Vimalkalyan (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Former Indian cricketer and cricket coach. Edits done. Article has shaped up into a decent biography. Rater.js says B-class, but, I think it is atleast a solid C. Appreciate a pair of eyes on this nomination. Ktin (talk) 17:02, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article looks to be of sufficient quality. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 19:55, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 03:02, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Paul Bucha
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Task & Purpose
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:A80D:4F7:9392:624C (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Nohomersryan (talk · give credit) and 2601:449:4582:b3c0:f5e8:51c8:d1c2:4290 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Vietnam War veteran and Medal of Honor recipient. 240F:7A:6253:1:A80D:4F7:9392:624C (talk) 18:41, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support Article looks mostly fine but the dead links are suboptimal. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 19:52, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) September 11 prosecutions
[edit]The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Walid bin Attash, and Mustafa al-Hawsawi agree to plead guilty in connection with planning the September 11 attacks (pictured). (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)
- Wait significant, but the actual trial will the event that gets coverage. Hold until then. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:04, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- There is no formal trial for these defendants, only a military commission. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 22:07, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sentencing, sorry. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 00:40, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- There is no formal trial for these defendants, only a military commission. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 22:07, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose good story but no significant change for these men. They are already in custody and will remain so. Natg 19 (talk) 22:34, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Article is appropriately orange tagged and appears to need lots of work. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:41, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Conditional support The really notable thing here is their guilty plea removes the possibility of a death penalty (instead they will serve a life sentence) but also removes the possibility of a trial and the risk of the case being overturned due to 'invalid' evidence This has been in flux for years, and its an important development after a decade+ of legal drama. With that said, there could be a possible 'mini trial' and we could post then (likely next year). Or post now, but after improvements to the article (currently only contains a single sentence about the guilty plea and is not nearly ready for ITN). Schwinnspeed (talk) 22:52, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, the article isn't in good shape and this isn't notable Personisinsterest (talk) 23:45, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support, big news. this is the biggest development in this case that has been ongoing for more than 20 years. A guilty plea wasn't expected because there was talk of the government wanting to imprison them for life (or just sentence them to death). President Biden even denied a plea proposal just last September. — That Coptic Guyping me! (talk) (contribs) 01:36, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose This is really nothing, doesn't cap off anything since they've been incarcerated since. Article is also poor quality, far too much proseline and details and not really a narrative approach of a quality article. --Masem (t) 01:40, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose WTF? This event was 20 years ago. The first thing the article needs to explain is why this is happening at all right now. And a quick glance didn't answer that question for me. A simple explanation for us ignorant masses please, before I can support anything being posted. HiLo48 (talk) 01:56, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- @HiLo48 - Various leaders of al-Qaeda and their associates have been imprisoned at Guantanamo Bay since the early days of the Bush administration, on charges that they were the planners behind 9/11 alongside bin Laden. The U.S. government has brought up a criminal case against them and has purposely drawn it out so these terrorists have little to no chance of release. The death penalty or life in prison is what they were seeking, and there were also concerns that exculpatory evidence was being withheld. Today, indeed after 20+ years, a deal seems to have been reached where the terrorists have entered a guilty plea. It is the most significant movement in the case against the 9/11 terrorists in years. — That Coptic Guyping me! (talk) (contribs) 02:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- User:That Coptic Guy Thanks for that explanation. I'd suggest that some of what you've written there needs to be right up front in the article this nomination is based on. This is a global encyclopaedia, and a lot of readers will be like me, quite unaware of that background information. HiLo48 (talk) 03:23, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- @HiLo48 - Various leaders of al-Qaeda and their associates have been imprisoned at Guantanamo Bay since the early days of the Bush administration, on charges that they were the planners behind 9/11 alongside bin Laden. The U.S. government has brought up a criminal case against them and has purposely drawn it out so these terrorists have little to no chance of release. The death penalty or life in prison is what they were seeking, and there were also concerns that exculpatory evidence was being withheld. Today, indeed after 20+ years, a deal seems to have been reached where the terrorists have entered a guilty plea. It is the most significant movement in the case against the 9/11 terrorists in years. — That Coptic Guyping me! (talk) (contribs) 02:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment — The linked article unquestionably needs more work. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 05:05, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Opppose There's a better argument to post when they're actually sentenced. Estreyeria (talk) 13:38, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The pleas seem unreliable as it seems well established that the accused have been subjected to extensive torture rather like Peine forte et dure. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:17, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Currently, the article does not indicate that they have actually pled guilty. Certainly we would not post people only "agreeing" to plead guilty. And even if they do plead guilty, they would still not have been sentenced. Gödel2200 (talk) 00:17, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Moussa Dadis Camara convicted
[edit]Blurb: Former President of Guinea Moussa Dadis Camara is found guilty of crimes against humanity. (Post)
News source(s): [5]
Credits:
- Nominated by Gödel2200 (talk · give credit)
The article looks to be well sourced. It has a outdated tag, though I'm not sure this is really necessary. Gödel2200 (talk) 17:05, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support fairly notable Ion.want.uu (talk) 18:49, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support as per Ion.want.uu, news from Africa rarely reach western audiences, and debatabaly, it is just as significant as highly visible events, such as the recent assassination of Ismail Haniyeh. Article needs some more work, though. Viva Nicolás (talk) 23:21, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support, notable Personisinsterest (talk) 23:47, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality, article still needs plenty of work. Among other issues, there is a tag that has been there for almost 10 years asking for an update on the massacre that the former president is responsible for. — That Coptic Guyping me! (talk) (contribs) 01:55, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality per above. Will switch to support if/when it’s improved, a former head of state being convicted of crimes against humanity is notable enough. The Kip (contribs) 02:27, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on Quality per above. Definitely something that should be posted if/when the page is brought up to scratch. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:18, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle but oppose on quality per above This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:31, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability as per above. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:53, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support per notability. Scu ba (talk) 17:42, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle but the few tag issues remaining should be resolved before posting. Yakikaki (talk) 18:01, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Killing of Ismail Haniyeh
[edit]Blurb: Ismail Haniyeh, the leader of Hamas, is killed in Tehran. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Ismail Haniyeh, the political leader of Hamas, is assassinated in Tehran.
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)
- Wait Lets get some more detail and flesh out the article. Right now we don't know much at all. It's also worth noting that today/tonight Israel is believed to have killed a senior military commander of Hezbollah in Beirut. Kind of reminds me of the last 10 minutes of The Godfather when all of the family's accounts are settled. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:59, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Zero need for a separate death article, unless the actual operation that took him down is well documented. Save for a couple of tags, the main bio article is ready to go. (And this is pending confirmation that seems up in the air right now. And to add once more, if true, clearly notable and ITN appropriate beyond the current ongoings) --Masem (t) 04:05, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Strong support Confirmed by Iranian sources, which are likely to be biased more towards Haniyeh and in favor of reporting him alive, but that is not the case. Apart from the legitimacy of this assassination, I strongly disagree with Masem in this regard and believe this should have a standalone article aswell as this marks the highest killing of a Hamas official/leader since the Israel-Hamas war started on October 7 and since the killing of Saleh al Arouri in January. Although it's very early right now to say anything about the killing, I believe as more time passes, more information will eventually be revealed as this is a huge event. Worst case scenario, if the killing is so poorly documented, I still believe it should have a standalone section in some article somewhere. Haniyeh has also held numerous positions other than just leading Hamas. TwistedAxe [contact] 04:27, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Unlike Killing of Osama bin Laden, where there is a great deal of discussion of the specific operation as well as the past attempts to kill him, all that is in the present article is 50% reaction material, 25% background, and the rest speculation as to the actual event. This is not how we write event articles, but we certainly can present the death as part of the biographical article. --Masem (t) 12:00, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Right, but I believe we’re still in the early stages and clearing the fog of war. If the dust settles and the assassination is still poorly documented, I’d say we put it under the Death section definitely. If, however, enough information is presented, I’d say we definitely keep the standalone article. TwistedAxe [contact] 14:17, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's not unreasonable to have kept the details in both the bio article as well as at least one of the overarching ongoing articles about this Gaza conflict, particularly the latter because it provides the necessarily context of the larger picture. And then if extensive details of the actual Assassination emerge later then create the standalone. But this reverse way encourages bad splits as the potential of POV forks, as well as poor quality articles in trying to isolate the event from the larger picture without clearly knowing if that split makes sense. This type of approach is contrary to NOTNEWS and doesn't make for high quality ITN material that we are supposed to feature. Masem (t) 14:27, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Right, but I believe we’re still in the early stages and clearing the fog of war. If the dust settles and the assassination is still poorly documented, I’d say we put it under the Death section definitely. If, however, enough information is presented, I’d say we definitely keep the standalone article. TwistedAxe [contact] 14:17, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Unlike Killing of Osama bin Laden, where there is a great deal of discussion of the specific operation as well as the past attempts to kill him, all that is in the present article is 50% reaction material, 25% background, and the rest speculation as to the actual event. This is not how we write event articles, but we certainly can present the death as part of the biographical article. --Masem (t) 12:00, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality: Article still needs a lot more work in order to qualify for ITN. More information is also needed on the assassination. Support once all these issues have been addressed. Tofusaurus (talk) 04:31, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Wait - article is still developing/too short, and fog of war is still very much in effect w/ regards to exactly what happened (airstrike vs “raid,” official claims of responsibility, etc). Pretty much all that’s clearly confirmed at this moment is that he was assassinated in the first place. The Kip (contribs) 04:39, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Strong support, per TwistedAxe. The article should be "Assassination of Ismail Haniyeh".--Dr-Taher (talk) 04:48, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support ITN worthy, but wait until more reporting comes in, then we need to add the cause of death to the blurb because the current one is too short Afif Brika1 (talk) 05:06, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Assassination of Ismail Haniyeh is just one small section of Ismail Haniyeh that was split out into its own stub for some reason. If this were fixed, then the main article would just need a little proseline clean up before it's ready. It's also developing a list of WP:INDISCRIMINATE trivia in the "responses" section as these articles often do, so that's another barrier. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 05:31, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support on the basis of it being a notable event. Kurtis (talk) 05:48, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 06:37, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, huge development. Shadow4dark (talk) 07:47, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb to specify that Haniyeh was the group's political leader rather than military leader. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 09:03, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, This is an important point to mention. Dr-Taher (talk) 09:13, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support. ToadetteEdit! 10:29, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support. On notability. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 10:35, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Strong support on notability Personisinsterest (talk) 10:51, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- By the way, can we get a picture of him in here? Personisinsterest (talk) 11:57, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Support Israel-Palestine is arguably the most notable topic in the world right now , Article is good enough . Altblurb is better as it states that he was political leader AlexBobCharles (talk) 11:17, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 12:00, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Why not note that he was political leader? 3 people (including me) supported this in this discussion AlexBobCharles (talk) 12:22, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, this mention is important. _-_Alsor (talk) 13:09, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed, it's important to specify that Haniyeh ws the political leader. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 13:59, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Why not note that he was political leader? 3 people (including me) supported this in this discussion AlexBobCharles (talk) 12:22, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- FYI, there are NPOV issues with the article[6].VR (Please ping on reply) 13:15, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Post-Post Support Ion.want.uu (talk) 13:25, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Post-Post Support - Article well cited and well written, except for the WP:FLAGCRUFT. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 13:36, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Pull NPOV issues. Noah, BSBATalk 14:05, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- That is a dispute about some organization of the page and not substantive. There is no reason for an over reaction from here. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 14:10, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- +1 The NPOV disagreement is small AlexBobCharles (talk) 14:13, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- That is a dispute about some organization of the page and not substantive. There is no reason for an over reaction from here. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 14:10, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Post-posting conditional support - Disagree that NPOV issues warrant pulling, but agree with the above discussion that any blurb should specify he led the political bureau for clarity and accuracy. He was not the commander of the militant organization. The leader of the military wing, Mohammed Deif, is still alive. The average reader could plausibly assume "leader of Hamas" means the leader of the militant group, which is not accurate. An average reader might also assume that him being "the Hamas leader" meant he was the leader of the Gaza Strip, which is also an inaccurate reading as that person is Yahya Sinwar, who is also still alive. He was the highest ranking Hamas official killed in the war so far, but not important in the ways you might expect just based on his title. I do not support having it posted with the current blurb. Vanilla Wizard 💙 19:48, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Post-Posting comment As pointed above in detail by Vanilla Wizard and others , blurb should specify he was leader of the political bureau AlexBobCharles (talk) 20:51, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- How come no votes for Oppose as part of ongoing? QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 08:46, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
An armed conflict between Israel and Hamas-led Palestinian militant groups has been taking place chiefly in the Gaza Strip and southern Israel since 7 October 2023.
This outlier took place in Tehran, killing a non-militant. That's the way I see it, anyway. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:02, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Post-posting support and comment Article looks good and I firmly believe (as long the article quality is good) assassinations are blurb worthy. @Stephen: Would it be possible to swap images with a better crop? --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:51, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Robert Fellowes, Baron Fellowes
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [7] [8]
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- Nominated by Walco1 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Private secretary to Elizabeth II in the 1990s and brother-in-law of Diana, Princess of Wales. Walco1 (talk) 15:17, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Could use a few more footnotes. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 16:37, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Four {cn} tags remaining. --PFHLai (talk) 16:15, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
July 30
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(Posted) RD: Fuad Shukr
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/7/31/who-isfuad-shukr
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- Created by Eladkarmel (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Longhornsg (talk · give credit)
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Hezbollah commander killed by Israel in Beirut. 2002:8E01:20E3:0:0:0:8E01:20E3 (talk) 19:22, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article looks fine. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 19:41, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 02:55, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Onyeka Onwenu
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Businsess Day (Nigeria)
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:D057:E125:D731:507A (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Nenub (talk · give credit) and Cleanupbabe (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nigerian singer-songwriter and actress. 240F:7A:6253:1:D057:E125:D731:507A (talk) 06:56, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Prose could use more footnotes. Place of birth mentioned in the infobox is not sourced nor mentioned in the main prose. Only one item in the Filmography is sourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 15:59, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) 2024 Wayanad landslides
[edit]Blurb: At least 300 people die as a result of 2024 Wayanad landslides in Wayanad, India. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Landslides in Wayanad, India kill at least 300 people.
Alternative blurb II: The deadliest landslides in Kerala history kill at least 300 in Wayanad.
News source(s): https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2024/8/2/bring-him-back-hope-meets-loss-in-indian-villages-hit-by-landslides
Credits:
- Nominated by Pachu Kannan (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Quake1234 (talk · give credit), Golem469 (talk · give credit), Spworld2 (talk · give credit), Sherenk1 (talk · give credit) and Pachu Kannan (talk · give credit)
These landslides got international media attention. Pachu Kannan (talk) 15:38, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Notable enough, with multiple international media mentions. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 06:18, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Deadliest landslide in the region. Article is good enough to post. Sherenk1 (talk) 10:24, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Article structure is good enough to post. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 10:39, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support, notable and deadly, and article is finePersonisinsterest (talk) 11:24, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- also, altblurb 2 Personisinsterest (talk) 11:24, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 12:05, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) 2024 Venezuela protests
[edit]The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: Protests erupt in Venezuela against the Maduro government, after his victory in the 2024 elections that was widely seen as fraudulent. (Post)
Alternative blurb: In Venezuela widespread protests erupt as the official 2024 election results are contested.
Alternative blurb II: Widespread protests erupt after Nicolás Maduro is declared the winner of Venezuela's 2024 presidential election amid allegations of electoral fraud.
Alternative blurb III: At least 19 people are killed during widespread protests in Venezuela after Nicolás Maduro claims to have won the 2024 presidential election amid allegations of electoral fraud.
Alternative blurb IV: Protests erupt after Nicolás Maduro is declared the winner of Venezuela's 2024 presidential election
Credits:
- Nominated by PrecariousWorlds (talk · give credit)
- Support: This would obviously be better than a blurb only about Maduro's win. Article is small but is expanding. Prodrummer619 (talk) 10:51, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support Perhaps reads more like a chronology, but well updated. And anecdotally, the BBC News report leads with the scale and severity of the protests, only saying "disputed re-election" as context - so I don’t think this needs to be combined with or wait for the election nom (below), it’s sufficiently standalone news. Kingsif (talk) 12:19, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose I know that there are protests going on there, but just listing a bunch of events in a chronological order without anything else that indicates these are all tied together is not a quality article. --Masem (t) 12:24, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Surely we would combine this blurb with the blurb for the election, so this nomination probably can just be replaced by adding an altblurb to the nom for the presidential election. Gödel2200 (talk) 14:07, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I have added an alt blurb. Unfortunately I am not (as of this comment) satisfied with the quality of the main article on the elections. But I do think the situation in Venezuela merits a blurb on the main page. The protest article is adequate for posting. I have included an unbolded link to the article on the elections. Hopefully it will continue to improve. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:47, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Perhaps a combined blurb could be something like "Widespread protests erupt after Nicolas Maduro is declared the winner of Venezuela's contested (or "controversial") 2024 presidential election". PtolemyXV (talk) 15:56, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Added alt3. It can definitely be improved; death toll taken from the article, which could also be improved, especially after another day. Kingsif (talk) 20:54, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support National election results are noteworthy, and I think the quality of the article will continue to improve given the magnitude of the event. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 21:03, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose the blurbs as politically charged, we didn't say it like that for the Rwandan election, even though it is more likely to have had irregularities, judging from the results. Also, wait for the protests to unfold further as they clearly been planned well beforehand, and the article is also largely currently only one-sided. Viva Nicolás (talk) 12:02, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Added alt4. There really is no need to append that the results are disputed - the protests themselves would indicate this. And I'm not sure the usage of "widespread" is needed here. But I do think this is to best, and works as a combined blurb. DarkSide830 (talk) 14:59, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support alt4, as it is more neutral and not politically charged i.e. imply which side the protests are on. Wait on article about the protests, as work needs to be done to ensure the article is not all on the anti-Chavista side. Viva Nicolás (talk) 23:10, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose in general; this article is not being developed, is woefully incomplete, the infobox is mostly OR, and I don't see any chance it is going to improve because of lack of effort. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:59, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- I hope someone who speaks Spanish is checking this article; I don't have time. I checked only the last line on the current page, and found it wrong. In general, the article isn't mainpage ready and it doesn't appear that anyone is working to get it that way. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 12:45, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I copied my note on the July 29 listing here. These are some comments I would like to restate:
- IMO, I think the only thing in the way of this being posted is the flagrant political bias in both articles. I think I would like to work on this ^ - ^ --Viva Nicolás (talk) 04:46, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Remember when the 2019 Bolivian general election was overturned by protests when the opposition alleged they were rigged, but the 2020 Bolivian general election run under the coup regime definitively showed otherwise. Viva Nicolás (talk) 06:13, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- The election article can be formatted like the 2019 Bolivian general election article, while the protests article can be formatted like the 2019 Bolivian protests article. Viva Nicolás (talk) 06:19, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support: The protests that have erupted due to the controversial and disputed election results Wilfredor (talk) 23:50, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: William Calley
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Ad Orientem (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Nohomersryan (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
American war criminal. Only man convicted in the My Lai Massacre. He died on April 28th but his death was only just reported. Article is in decent shape. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:53, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
Support! He was the only one convicted in this important event. 109.43.48.31 (talk) 13:28, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- We'll post anyone important enough to have a Wikipedia page; we only assess article quality here. Bremps... 15:05, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support One cn tag shouldn't keep hit this otherwise lengthy well sourced article from getting posted. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:59, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- I have added a cite and removed the only CN tag. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:14, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Article meets ITN standards for posting. Jusdafax (talk) 00:03, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 06:00, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
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