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Iikka Keränen

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Doesn't appear notable, redirect to Digital Eel? IgelRM (talk) 19:08, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Miika Huttunen

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Doesn't appear notable, redirect to Pelaaja? IgelRM (talk) 19:01, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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University Hospital Bratislava – Academician Ladislav Dérer Hospital

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I couldn't establish that this meets WP:N. Boleyn (talk) 18:48, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Ladislav Dérer Hospital is just a part of the University Hospital Bratislava, which is the biggest hospital or health care facility in Slovakia [1], consisting of five departments/hospitals. This should be clarified, developed and maybe merged in one article rather than deleted. Certainly a notable hospital. Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 12:21, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Neil Merryweather

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Follow-up from this AfD. Fails WP:NMUSIC and WP:GNG, and lack of sources for existing content in article Mdann52 (talk) 13:39, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Has an entry in a major music encyclopedia, which is copiously referenced in the article already. If it's covered by other encyclopedias, it should be covered in this one. Chubbles (talk) 17:26, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This entire article about a BLP is original research with virtually no citations. The single reliable source I see is The Encyclopedia of Popular Music but this is a tertiary source, not a secondary one. Lacking ANY direct detailing in applied or provided reliable secondary sources, this is not a keep. BusterD (talk) 11:58, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tertiary sources are built from secondary sources and by definition indicate the presence of multiples of them. Since when can we not use encyclopedias to source this encyclopedia? (I've written literally thousands of articles sourced from other encyclopedias). Chubbles (talk) 04:41, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:PSTS. They're not forbidden but article should be primarily sourced to secondary sources while using primary and tertiary sources sparingly. It's not about the number of sources, but how much of the article's key contents are based on things other than secondary sources. Graywalls (talk) 04:56, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That policy (WP:TERTIARY) is largely geared toward guiding people to cite original research over things like first-year summary textbooks. It doesn't address notability, because tertiary sources do establish notability if they are reliable, and the cited source certainly passes WP:RSTERTIARY. Chubbles (talk) 05:27, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Cleverly ignoring my first point that this was an OR BLP with no reliable secondary sources, yes, I'll concede we occasionally use tertiary sources. We don't generally base articles solely on such coverage, however. So you have presented a single encyclopedia as RS. Nothing else? Delete. BusterD (talk) 06:09, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's because people don't write encyclopedia entries, in major (reliable) encyclopedias, without a base of secondary source material from which to draw. In any case, this will seal the deal: he meets WP:MUSIC by having a charting record - he reached #199 on the Billboard 200 in 1969 (as Merryweather & Friends, playing in a band with Steve Miller, Dave Mason, and Charlie Musselwhite) with the album Word of Mouth. My source is The Billboard Albums, 6th edition, p. 697. Chubbles (talk) 06:34, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment https://books.google.com/books?id=QgkEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA72 He does get slightly more than a mention in 1974 Billboard. This isn't really a basis for notability but I'm aware not everything is Google locatable, so I can't recommend either actions, but I urge those familiar with where to look suggest whether sources exist or not. Graywalls (talk) 15:39, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lynn Carey

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Follow-up from this AfD. Fails WP:NMUSIC and WP:GNG, and struggling to find any sources to support existing information in article. Mdann52 (talk) 13:39, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: This is all I could find [2], brief mention. Just not enough coverage. Oaktree b (talk) 15:04, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~I'm uncommitted as of yet,~~ but this is a possible merge target for Neil Merryweather (since she was the lead singer of his band Mama Lion, and I expect Merryweather's article to survive vetting here). She may also meet WP:NACTOR if not WP:MUSIC. Chubbles (talk) 05:31, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't have paid access to newspapers dot com right now (money is tight) but there seems to be a good amount of non-trivial coverage for her on there. "Lynn Carey" singer and "Lynn Carey" actress are the best search terms, it seems. If someone who has access could clip some of those and add them, I think there would be a good case of her meeting the GNG at least for news coverage. GoldenAgeFan1 (talk) 03:10, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Another BLP page entirely made from somebody's recollections and album covers. No reliable sources at all. My reasonable BEFORE is unsuccessful. BusterD (talk) 12:02, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep based on abundant RS presented by User:GoldenAgeFan1. Given the current largely unsourced state of this page, it would be good if some of these sources could be used to back assertions made to date. BusterD (talk) 18:02, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I looked around other newspaper databases since it doesn't look like anyone is going to look for newspapers dot com articles as I requested and found several articles relating to Carey. I don't know how long the genealogybank links will last since I don't think they have permanent link sharing. Another note: I don't see why people expect to easily find sourcing for people that had a certain degree of fame that predated the internet by quite a number of years (decades in Carey's case). However, I think these articles display that she was once indeed notable, and that's all that is required to have article. 1,2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 GoldenAgeFan1 (talk) 23:46, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Some of these bare mentions but the first two clearly meet independent, diverse, and direct detailing by RS. BusterD (talk) 17:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per GoldenAgeFan's findings, which are worthy of the old Article Rescue Service. If you've time, could you take a look at the related deletions for Neil Merryweather and Mama Lion as well? I thought Carey's article was the least likely to survive, but with this much coverage, there might be a good case for keeping all three (and for a whole bunch of trouts to be served to overeager deletionists). Chubbles (talk) 04:47, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete does not seem to be an encyclopedia page candidate based on sourcing. Graywalls (talk) 00:17, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hasan Siraj Suja

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Non-notable politician who hasn't held elected office. He ran for the Magura-1 seat of parliament in 2001, but finished a distant third. The cited sources are passing mentions, not significant coverage. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NPOL. Worldbruce (talk) 17:39, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wolf at the Door

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Song by Keane (not to be confused with the song by Radiohead). Fails WP:NSONGS: no coverage in multiple, non-trivial published works whose sources are independent of the artist and label. Popcornfud (talk) 17:34, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect - fails NSONGS. More like something that would belong on a Keane fan wikia. Sergecross73 msg me 18:13, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Funbag Animation Studios

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Not a single source was given, and I was unable to find a single source regarding this that was neither user-generated nor a mere mention, so very far from having enough coverage for WP:GNG. — Alien333 (what I did & why I did it wrong) 17:29, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Abdulsalam Haykal

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Fails notability guidelines, and there are no reliable, independent sources to verify its notability. فيصل (talk) 16:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sultan Sooud Al-Qassemi

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Fails notability guidelines, and there are no reliable, independent sources to verify its notability. Additionally, the article is written in a promotional tone.-- فيصل (talk) 16:55, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mohammed bin Musallam bin Ham al-Ameri

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Fails notability guidelines, and there are no reliable, independent sources to verify its notability. فيصل (talk) 16:50, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of disparaging nicknames for settlements in the United States

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Scope is vague and due to the nature of the article it attracts unsourced information to be added (u t c m l ) 🔒 ALL IN 🧿 16:46, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Saleh Al Abdooli

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Fails notability guidelines, and there are no reliable, independent sources to verify its notability. فيصل (talk) 16:29, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Widescreen Mode

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Non-notable band. --Viennese Waltz 11:51, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: If it's notable enough for Finnish Wikipedia, it's notable enough for the English one. Matter of fact, the Finnish article has sources that can be ported with proper translations to the English article. That Article Editing Guy (talk) 22:04, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is not how the English Wikipedia's notability policies works. Regardless, I don't think the sources on the Finnish page demonstrate notability per WP:GNG: one is a press release, three of them are links to music charts, and the last is the band's Facebook page. However, they may qualify through WP:MUSICBIO, criterion 2. ArcticSeeress (talk) 18:25, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: There are sources in the corresponding Finnish Wikipedia denoting notability which can be used to expand the article. Requires work though, but certainly not unnotable. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 12:33, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of preserved Airbus aircraft

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Per WP:GNG. I have been unable to find reliable significant coverage on both topics, let alone any. Sources do exist albeit unreliable or non-independent such as Planespotters, OneSpotter and Airfleets and Airbus news releases just to list a few.

Per WP:NLIST. Whilst "The entirety of the list does not need to be documented in sources for notability, only that the grouping or set in general has been", I have been unable to find any reliable sources talking about a list of preserved Airbus aircraft nor a list of preserved A320s. Some entries do have sources talking about their respective aircraft individually but the majority of the entries seem unverifiable with most of the information coming from the said sources above. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 16:13, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related page because both topics are similar enough as they both cover preserved Airbus aircraft and also share the same issues:

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Michal Klec

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This Slovak men's footballer played in his country from 2013 until 2016 before moving to lower leagues in the Czech Republic and Poland. Secondary sources analysis from my searches through translation:

Žilinský Večerník is a blogspot containing an interview with just secondary content in the opening paragraph.
SME seems to be a decent source mentioning Klec scoring a hat-trick.
Dnes24 is a transfer announcement of him moving to Třinec on loan.
Dziennik Polski is another transfer announcement to Puszcza Niepołomice.

In my opinion, none of those sources above actually approach WP:SIGCOV that are required for encyclopedia. I have checked corresponding articles on him in other Wikipedia languages, but all of them likewise provide match reports, primary sources, and database. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:46, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Triáns

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This page clearly does not satisfy WP:NGEO Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 13:30, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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X.com

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Redirect to Twitter as it is the clear primary topic in a WP:2DABS situation. Page view stats show views for the DAB peaked in late July 2023, when the rebranding was announced. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 12:56, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. Afd is for deletion, not discussion. Georgia guy (talk) 14:50, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and speedy close: This should not be for deletion as it is still a beneficial DAB page. If you think "X.com' should be the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, that should be a new discussion at Talk:X.com, not here. Also, "X.com" did not exist until August 2023 and per those stats, it has steadily decreased in views, so a WP:RECENTISM bias applies. This is also covering three subjects, not just two. Trailblazer101 (talk) 14:58, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and speedy close. The nominator did not show that the article is unnecessary, misleading, unhelpful or in any other way non-compliant with Wikipedia policies or practice. The nomination is, essentially, WP:IDONTLIKEIT. — kashmīrī ^TALK 15:25, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tsutomu Kōno

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Unreferenced, doesn't appear notable. IgelRM (talk) 11:50, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: No hits on this person's name, only variations of the first or last name. I don't see any confirmation of his career. Oaktree b (talk) 15:15, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mélanie Charles

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. No third party sources. A google news search comes up with a namesake jazz musician who seems more notable. LibStar (talk) 10:09, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Not notable. Apart from already cited article, nothing comes up. Changeworld1984 (talk) 11:10, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

George Harrison (executive)

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Fails notability IgelRM (talk) 09:31, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - WP:PROMO - Five of the six sources are his own website, or otherwise interviews with him. A web search brings up Beatle George Harrison, but not this guy. The 2014 AFD on this (two keeps and one comment) failed for lack of response: . — Maile (talk) 14:45, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Jhain

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This article clearly fails WP:GNG & full of WP:SYNTH mess and WP:OR. There is not any battle named as the "Battle of Jhain", the name of the battle is fabricated Ha shid 09:05, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep- A battle happened in Jhain during Jalal-ud-Din Khalji. The book 'The History of India' mentions it. Medieval India, Volume 3 also talks about the campaign. Early Chauhān Dynasties also mentions it. Though it was not called as 'Battle of Jhain' by any historian so it could be renamed. Changeworld1984 (talk) 09:49, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Changeworld1984 Battle of Jhain isn't any official battle, it was a minor conflict during Jalal-ud-Din Khalji's Ranthambore campagin which turned out to be unsuccessful Ha shid 13:30, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If it’s not called “battle of Jhain” by any historians what are we calling it that for? What do they call it? Mccapra (talk) 13:17, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abhishek Kumar Srivastava

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I don't see the person passes WP:NPROF as well as WP:GNG. Twinkle1990 (talk) 08:30, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete- No third party news organisation has reported specifically on him. Changeworld1984 (talk) 09:31, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Very obvious case. While he has made a good start to his career, it is rare for associate Profs to meet WP:NPROF. Adequate but not notable publication record, no major awards, no major converage. Ldm1954 (talk) 13:49, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Searching for author AK-Srivastava and keyword corona finds citations that look headed to a successful academic career but are not at the level required for WP:PROF#C1 yet. No other notability criterion is evident. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:48, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bhimadeva

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MOS:DABMENTION requires "If the topic is not mentioned in the other article, that article should not be linked to in the disambiguation page". "Bhimadeva" is mentioned only in Bhima of Mahikavati, probably not a good target for a redirect. I suggest this page is deleted in order to enable uninhibited use of Search. A PROD was reverted by @Utcursch: with edit summary (https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=bhimadeva+caulukya) without editing any targeted article. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:00, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Bhima I now, quite properly, also mentions "Bhimadeva". The stipulation in WP:DABMENTION gives as the rationale for its claimed requirement "since linking to it would not help readers find information about the sought topic". In this case the links obviously would help the reader so this is one of the occasional exceptions the MOS allows for. Thincat (talk) 08:19, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pioneer Pekao Investments

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Fails WP:NCORP Imcdc Contact 09:02, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. The company is likely notable (pl wiki article is a bit better, states it is the largest investment fund in Poland) but both our and pl are lacking independent refs. Quick GS search suggests sources exist (ex. [3]) but I am not motivated to fix this - the company should hire a PAID editor for that. They certainly can afford this. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 20:34, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep- It is notable for its role and historical significance. Article needs to updated. According to this article, the firm has changed its name to Pekao TFI. Changeworld1984 (talk) 09:21, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Orsett Heath Academy

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I have carried out WP:BEFORE for this school, which opened in 2020,and cannot see significant coverage in reliable sources which is not run of the mill. I think it is WP:TOOSOON for the school to be notable. Tacyarg (talk) 09:02, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Maybe merge to Orsett Heath or Grays, Essex (as its not actually in Orsett Heath). Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:45, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as the academy plays a key role in the local community and its educational system, making it a relevant topic.--RodrigoIPacce (talk) 10:04, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge: Can probably be covered on Grays,_Essex#Secondary_education. IgelRM (talk) 11:38, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Muzzammil Aslam

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The creator of this BLP SheriffIsInTown claims that this BLP falls under NPOL, but NPOL is not applicable here. Any advisor to Chief Minister of a province, must meet the GNG, which they do not. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 07:54, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails WP:NPOL. Youknow? (talk) 08:22, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Youknowwhoistheman There is extensive coverage in the Urdu language media and press about this individual and his work, as seen in the search results on Google here. Given this, would you reconsider changing your vote? Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 04:17, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I respect your argument. But I don't think that being an advisor to any Chief Minister, he is passing WP:NPOL. And if we talk about WP:GNG, then he is not able to pass even that subject. First, neither WP:SIGCOV is there, from WP:RS is available. Hope you have understood. Best of luck for the future! Youknow? (talk) 05:24, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
SheriffIsInTown, If you believe the subject has extensive coverage, could you provide the WP:THREE best sources that meet WP:RS, WP:SIGCOV. Simply saying WP:GOOGLEHITS won't suffice — Saqib (talk I contribs) 18:30, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Saqib @Youknowwhoistheman With hundreds of sources available, selecting just three is challenging. Most reliable sources cover his statements or financial initiatives, now they wouldn’t report on a non-notable nobody. His notability is evident from the coverage his statements receive. His position contributes to his notability, and this isn’t his first role; he was previously an advisor to Prime Minister Imran Khan. Despite the difficulty in choosing from many sources, a We News piece in Urdu language focuses exclusively on him, and numerous reliable sources with alternative spellings of his name report on his statements and work. This Express Tribune is all about him as well. Then, there are many which cover his appointment to the cabinet, one of them being this Dawn piece. There are plenty more under alternative spelling of his name here. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 03:40, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
SheriffIsInTown, You mentioned there are hundreds of sources available, but since you've provided 03 coverages, I would like to assess them individually. Firstly, I don't even consider We News a RS. I'm unsure if it has been discussed at WP:RSN, but given its scarce use on WP, I'm not inclined to spend time debating its reliability there. WP:COMMONSENSE suggests it isn't a RS, especially for BLPs. The coverage in the Express Tribune doesn't directly and thoroughly discuss the subject, though this coverage can be used for WP:V, not to establish GNG. The same can be said for the Dawn coverage; it's WP:TRIVIALMENTION and lacks sig./in-depth coverage of the subject. While I don't dispute that there may be some press coverage, but we need solid coverage that delves into detail as required by the GNG for it to contribute to meeting WP:N. We do not establish the WP:N of BLPs based on WP:TRIVIALMENTION or WP:ROTM coverage. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 05:41, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Saqib Why wouldn't you consider We News reliable? Limited usage doesn't necessarily indicate that the source is unreliable. What do you think about this and this? These three combined should be enough to meet WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 03:49, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
SheriffIsInTown, I'm not saying We News isn't a RS because it's seldom used here. Please re-read my comment. We News isn't reliable for many reasons, one of which is that the author who wrote about Muzzammil Aslam tends to produce sensational/tabloid-style stories. Additionally, all the sources you've provided (incl. this and this) are just announcements about his appointment as an Advisor in the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Government, making this a clear case of WP:BLP1E. Please allow me to ping @S0091: to get their take on the provided coverage/sources. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 08:35, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please note that pinging specific editors to get their views in a deletion discussion may be construed as canvassing. voorts (talk/contributions) 14:47, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
1) this specific editor does not always share the same views as mine. 2) I'm not seeking their vote; I just want their feedback on the provided coverage. 3) WP:CANVASS doesn't explicitly prohibit pinging others. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 15:43, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Saqib is correct that I do not always agree with him. However, I will not offer an opinion by being pinged to an AfD in which I have not already participated because even the appearance of canvassing is enough to sew distrust which is the last thing AfD needs, especially a contentious one which appears to be the case here. S0091 (talk) 17:58, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, no problem. However, @OwenX mentioned here that it’s safe to occasionally ping others for their input. But anyway I understand your position. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 18:03, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Advisor's portfolio is considered equal to a minister making them functional part of the cabinet. In this case, they are a member of the provincial cabinet. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 14:46, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- SheriffIsInTown, Firstly, this notification does not state they have the same status or powers as a minister. Notifications typically mention such if an advisor is getting the same power/status as a minister. And even if they did, I don't think it falls under NPOL. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 14:59, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Given that the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province does not have a finance minister, Aslam's role becomes particularly significant. He is currently the sole individual in the cabinet overseeing financial matters, which underscores his importance and justifies the need for an article about him. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 13:47, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I agree that NPOL does not cover advisors to ministers. There is no consensus that it does and no good reason has been provided to extend NPOL's reach that far. I won't !vote because I can't effectively search for coverage in Urdu. voorts (talk/contributions) 02:00, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Voorts Please take any references I've given in Urdu, copy the text, and use Google Translator to translate it from Urdu to English. Even if NPOL doesn't apply to him, I believe he still has enough coverage to meet GNG. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 02:25, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We News appears to be reliable and is SIGCOV. Tribune and Dawn are trivial mentions. Not enough to meet GNG. voorts (talk/contributions) 03:15, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Voorts How about this one and this one? Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 03:45, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Voorts I've briefly explained above why I don't think We News is a RS. SheriffIsInTown Just getting some press coverage doesn't make someone notable or meet the GNG. Fwiw, Waqar Zaka has considerably more press coverage, yet his BLP was deleted because it failed to meet the rigorous GNG requirement. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 08:49, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not being used often on Wikipedia does not make a source unreliable. We News appears to have an editorial board and some reporting standards. I'm not seeing any huge red flags on their website. Also, the fact that another article was deleted is neither here nor there because we evaluate each article on its own merits. voorts (talk/contributions) 14:45, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Voorts I hope you didn't overlook my previous comment where I shared two additional English language sources (TNN and Mettis Global) that provide detailed coverage of Aslam. These might help you reconsider and change your comment to a keep vote. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 15:19, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mettis is a trivial mention announcing his being hired. TNN is also routine coverage about him being hired. voorts (talk/contributions) 15:21, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Voorts I never claimed that the infrequent use of a source makes it unreliable. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 15:45, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I misread your point above. Apologies. But the fact that it isn't used much doesn't mean we can just hand-wave away its reliability in this discussion. voorts (talk/contributions) 15:46, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Voorts, Noted. And that's precisely why I pinged @S0091, for a third opinion on this source. Also I mentioned Waqar Zaka because he also served as an expert in the same government, albeit in a different role. And he has received significantly more press coverage than Muzzammil Aslam. This was merely an example and not meant to establish a precedent. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 15:50, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Saqib @Voorts The TNN story covers him as a person, stating he is a renowned economist, mentions his date of birth, two decades of experience, and leadership positions in several private institutions. It also covers his joining PTI, his previous role, and his educational qualifications in detail. Mettis Global discusses his appointment and mentions others who have been appointed as advisors, but the rest of the piece is about him, indicating his greater notability. The rest of the piece, like the We News and TNN stories, talks about his role as a spokesperson, his 15 years of business experience, and detailed coverage of his educational qualifications. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 16:46, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
SheriffIsInTown, I understand your point but I’m still not convinced. As I mentioned earlier, both stories discuss his appointment as an advisor. Thus, I concur with @Voorts that both are just routine coverage about him being hired. A clear case of WP:BLP1E. While I’m fine with citing them for WP:V, but imv they don’t meet the criteria for establishing GNG. In case it’s useful, the Mettis Global coverage doesn’t even have a byline. And does Tribal News Network even have an editorial team? — Saqib (talk I contribs) 17:47, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Leaning towards Delete: the sources I found did not go beyond his nomination. — Alien333 (what I did & why I did it wrong) 18:58, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as falling short of the GNG. gidonb (talk) 23:32, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: He has significant coverage in Urdu and English news. Even Bloomberg also mentioned him. Daily Jang, UrduPoint, GeoNews all cover him. So, in my opinion, its KEEP.--Ameen Akbar (talk) 21:47, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- امین اکبر, Everyone needs to avoid WP:THEREMUSTBESOURCES. They'll need to back up their claims with coverage that discusses the subject directly and in depth and enough coverage to clear WP:GNG. By the way, Bloomberg's mention is just a WP:TRIVIALMENTION. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 06:16, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Yes, but he is not mention in Bloomberg only. He has significant coverage in Urdu and English news Ameen Akbar (talk) 12:43, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Once more, please avoid WP:THEREMUSTBESOURCES. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 13:57, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi @Liz The links were provided. In my opinion, the following three meet the SIGCOV and GNG. They are not merely passing mentions, but there is disagreement:

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Arturo López Castro

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could not find secondary sources besides the BoxRec website that's already used as (the only) source LR.127 (talk) 06:11, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Laboratory Response Network

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No WP:SIGCOV to establish WP:RS. Redirect to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, of which it is a part. Longhornsg (talk) 23:01, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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- "No reliable sources"? There is one reliable source. None of the included material would be found in the CDC article. My vote: Retain. Valerius Tygart (talk) 17:58, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Per WP:GNG, the topic should receive SIGCOV in multiple RS, which having only one source does not satisfy. In addition, the coverage is simply WP:DICT, not WP:SIGCOV. Perhaps a merge. Longhornsg (talk) 18:36, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
'Redirect as above as lacking independent coverage. Stuartyeates (talk) 19:40, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Comment~~ Weak keep Upon a preliminary look, it doesn't seem very informative, well sourced, or well written. Now to check if other sourcing exists... Okay, we could use the official site to at least clear up what the LRN is. Google Scholar shows that a number of research teams have written evaluations of the LRN: Public Health Reports, American Society for Microbiology, Disaster Medicine and Public Health Preparedness... USA Today printed two opinion pieces from the same author on the subject [4]. Okay, I'm feeling weak keep. Darkfrog24 (talk) 23:25, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep For reasons given above. Valerius Tygart (talk) 13:18, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per Darkfrog24. PARAKANYAA (talk) 22:52, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of human rights articles by country

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This article does not meet the criteria for a stand-alone list. This is not a general format or a specialized list. This article is just a list of navigation boxes that are designed to sit at the very bottom of articles. Additionally, navboxes are not displayed on the mobile website for Wikipedia, which accounts for around half of our readers, see mobile view. It also has accessibility issues, neither one of my screen readers could read this article properly. No prejudice if someone wanted to convert the articles in these navboxes into an actual list article. Isaidnoway (talk) 05:53, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete The main human rights articles of the countries should better include the relevant links. REDISCOVERBHARAT (talk) 14:55, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Third Watch characters

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Unsourced WP:OR with no indication of notability. Not enough coverage by reliable sources according to WP:BEFORE. Jontesta (talk) 04:49, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to the relevant section in the parent article. A bit of the plot summary there could be merged there, but what we have here is a gigantic unreferenced pile of fancruft that needs to disappear. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 20:46, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect per Piotrus. Mostly unreferenced, and does not meet WP:SIGCOV. Shooterwalker (talk) 15:22, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sreenidhi Institute of Management and Science

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I cannot find any independent, substantive coverage about this institute. Their FB-page was discontinued in 2014. Fails WP:NORG Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 03:20, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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STP Kabaty

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Reviewed during NPP. No indication of wp:notability under SNG or GNG. The SNG for p[laces explicitly says that they are not presumed notable and must meet GNG. Has not even one reference anywhere near GNG. North8000 (talk) 01:46, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment : The polish wiki has significantly more info.... much of it unsourced. https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stacja_Techniczno-Postojowa_Kabaty

I assume there might be information in polish to help prove notability, but as I can't speak polish, and polish wiki has no useful citations to help, I'd vote delete unless folks can find them. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 02:22, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to M1 (Warsaw)#Depots unless sufficient sourcing can be found. Plausible search term, but the sourcing isn't yet there. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 06:54, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect. I've started an AfD on pl wiki at pl:Wikipedia:Poczekalnia/artykuły/2024:07:14:Stacja Techniczno-Postojowa Kabaty; the current consensus is that it is a notable entity but nobody can or cares to add sources to prove it. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:27, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. STP Kabaty is a crucial element of Warsaw’s metro system, servicing both M1 and M2 lines. It is the only technical support center for the metro in Warsaw and Poland, underlining its unique and essential function. The lack of current sources is a valid concern, but it can be rectified. The article can be improved with proper sourcing and should not be disqualified solely based on this temporary deficiency. Thousands of articles on smaller and less significant railway infrastructure exist on Wikipedia. Deleting one of the larger and more critical stations would be inconsistent and unjustified. The article has been part of Wikipedia for a significant period, and there is generally no consensus for deleting such longstanding entries due to sourcing issues. Instead, there are templates and processes for indicating the need for additional citations and improvements. Paradygmaty (talk) 11:51, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The Polish Wikipedia community has decided today to retain the article. Paradygmaty (talk) 11:53, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Chris Okagbue

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I don’t see how this subject passes WP:GNG. The only thing here was that he won the Gulder ultimate search. The rest are just biography with no source. No evidence he won those awards.Since 2023 the issue tag was placed no fixed has been made. Even when I had to google. The news source fails independent as they are likely stating his quote. Gabriel (talk to me ) 00:50, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy keep: The subject has enough for a stub and likely C-class article. He has been a subject of the news since (possibly) 2020. This and this are interviews in RS verifying the Gulder Ultimate Search win and it is also stated here. One can sum up SIGCOV with all the pieces, This model and actor was born on June 23; this piece details how the subject shot into fame and here are some of the productions they were featured on. This source is also in RS, but it's such a shame I cannot translate its content. Passing mention here.
Note that every source I have provided above is listed at Generally reliable sources for Nigeria-related information. dxneo (talk) 12:19, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Meets WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 19:24, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Chris Okagbue is a well-known Nigerian actor and he is notable enough to deserve an article on WP. The article uses reliable sources. Therefore I think the article should be kept. Yakov-kobi (talk) 09:40, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) voorts (talk/contributions) 16:17, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Eaton Township Weis Markets shooting

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This shooting lacks sustained and continued coverage. This should be redirected to List of mass shootings in the United States, where it already has an entry. The additional detail in this article is (1) a play-by-play of the shooting, (2) an extensive biography of the shooter, and (3) the aftermath section. I do not think merging that information would be appropriate per WP:NOTNEWS. voorts (talk/contributions) 01:06, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep.

Continuing local coverage to this year (there is a lot more but from 2022 and 2024 respectively)
Several pages of sigcov in the 2023 book "Copycat Crime" published by Bloomsbury
Several pages of sigcov in this 2019 PhD thesis
The depth of coverage was significantly higher than in most comparable events

This also doesn't really help, formally, for notability but this is probably one of the most well known mass shootings online for how absolutely bizarre the motive was, and there is actual analysis of it in the context of the perpetrator's deeply odd internet history and its status as a copycat crime. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:17, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I read the 2023 source again and it also refers to "Allwinn et al. (2022)", which is this, as providing sigcov on this case. I can't access it but this one appears to be entirely about this shooting, and seems to have been published in a peer reviewed academic journal. PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:29, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Most shootings are not notable, but this one received extensive coverage relative to others. Especially critical is that, as PARAKANYAA demonstrated, it's being used as a WP:CASESTUDY. It's unfortunate that the people who worked on the article prioritized making it quickly over making it properly, but that's something that should be fixable with secondary sources. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 02:19, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I think this article is important because it affected the local community and contributes to discussions on gun violence. There is Reliable that sources cover the event and making it notable. Yakov-kobi (talk) 18:55, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Major Mackenzie Drive

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Local roadway fails WP:GNG, WP:GEOROAD. One source fails verification, one source is primary (WP:GOOGLEMAPS), and the last does not show evidence of WP:SIGCOV. Sources found during a WP:BEFORE search are WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS mentioning the road in the context of news coverage of events that happened to take place on or near it but not focusing on the road itself. (This had been a stable redirect for years until an editor recently began restoring and adding unsourced content without responding to discussion; and I propose this AfD as a basis to restore a stable redirect to List of numbered roads in York Region.) Dclemens1971 (talk) 00:08, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to List of numbered roads in York Region: per nom. Fails NROAD/GNG. All coverage is either trivial, focusing on something else, or run-of-the-mill updates and the like. C F A 💬 00:22, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: Major road through the region where I live; it pops up in news reports every time there's an accident or something happens on it... I found this [5], this [6] or this [7]. Oaktree b (talk) 15:23, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]