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John H. Smythe

has his name given as John Henry Smyth by the State Department and Google thinks he's the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for the name vs the British parliamentary backbencher we have parked at John Henry Smyth now. This was an ambassador to Liberia who was one of State's higher posted blacks/BIPOCs during Reconstruction so it's kind of obnoxious if we're getting his name badly wrong and putting a less important Brit over his namespace. Anyone able to look it up and figure out which one is correct? or, if both are, which one we should be using? — LlywelynII 10:40, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If needed, the titles can just be disambiguated. Curbon7 (talk) 00:28, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

An apparently prolonged problem with the welcome center article

As evidenced by talk page threads on this subject going back to at least 2018 (which as of this writing was nearly six years ago), there is an issue with certain welcome centers that are listed as being located at an exit that doesn’t exist. I cite two examples in West Virginia, one was listed as “exit” 10 on I-64 eastbound, when the closest exits are exit 8 and exit 11, so the correct terminology would be “mile marker” or “milepost” 10. The other is on I-68 westbound on the first turn off after crossing out of Maryland, it is supposedly located at exit 31, only again, that exit doesn’t exist. The first actual signed exit you encounter going westbound after entering West Virginia is exit 29. Again, it needs to be written as “mile marker” or “milepost”, not “exit”, unless it is signed as an exit (some states do but not all of them, you can probably confirm that on Street View). I corrected those two errors. But someone needs to go and check every single entry on that list and then make sure that the exit actually exists; and if it doesn’t, replace with “mile marker” or the like. Because I imagine those aren’t the only two errors there are in that article. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 03:23, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have also posted comment at WikiProject U.S. Roads too. Don’t entirely know where to put it. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 03:34, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edith Roosevelt FAC

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Discussion at Talk:Kris Kristofferson § Lyme Disease - revisited

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Woodrow Wilson has an RfC

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Requested move at Talk:Udûn#Requested move 8 August 2024

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Good article reassessment for 130th Engineer Brigade (United States)

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Good article reassessment for Who Wants to Be a Millionaire (American game show)

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Proposed rewrite of List of foodborne illness outbreaks in the United States

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Requested move at Talk:2023 USL Championship Playoffs#Requested move 9 August 2024

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Requested move at Talk:Reeves AN/MSQ-77 Bomb Directing Central#Requested move 16 August 2024

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New discussion at Talk:White House#Adding the Executive Residence as White House on U.S. president and First Lady navboxes and placing the following navbox containers on the 'Executive Residence' page:

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Data about Native American tribes in each state

I want to add the data about the most numerous Native American tribes in each U.S. state to articles about each state. What do you guys think about it? Domen von Wielkopolska (talk) 21:03, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think the way you added it at Washington (state) was not an improvement, which is why three editors reverted you. Relevant discussions are at User talk:Domen von Wielkopolska. --Magnolia677 (talk) 21:48, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion should probably be here, at a community level, as it's more about the shaping and placement of RS-based, related content in state articles (and/or their subarticles). Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 22:33, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some of their edits use blogspot, which is not RS. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:36, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will remove blogspot from my edits. But it was the same map which is also used by Wikipedia here:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Indigenous_American_Nations,_16th_century_-_2022_edition.jpg Domen von Wielkopolska (talk) 22:46, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not the two states I reverted back, and the editor has committed to using RS. WP:AGF. Also, it stands to reason there would be RS for this kind of data somewhere. Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 22:47, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I used this in a couple of states - https://indigamerica.blogspot.com/ - as you can see this is the same map which is already utilized by Wikipedia, which is why I thought that it was OK to use it. But I can find RS for this data elsewhere. Domen von Wielkopolska (talk) 22:54, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your commitment to finding RS. Re: Blogspot, they may be using others' intellectual property for their map, but in general, with perhaps some exceptions of highly regarded industry/government blogs, we avoid using blogs for citations. Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 23:04, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This website has basically the same data - https://www.native-languages.org/states.htm - I used it as my primary source when describing which tribes historically lived in which state. Blogspot map was only used as a secondary source. I also used few other sources such as this site for Carolina's tribes - https://www.carolana.com/Carolina/Native_Americans/home.html or this article for Ohio - https://www.rrcs.org/Downloads/Ohios%20historic%20Indians%2038%20pages.pdf . Domen von Wielkopolska (talk) 23:11, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is also book "The Indian Tribes of North America" by John R. Swanton which has a list of tribes for each state. Domen von Wielkopolska (talk) 23:27, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see that book was published in 1952, so I'm not sure that its the best option for describing the situation in 2024. But sure, that would be something. When I described these tables as being copy/pasted, I was referring to them being copy/pasted from census.gov. What would be better, and what we are typically going for on these sort of summary articles, would be to read that book, and perhaps other relevant articles, and present a summary of the situation in a concise paragraph. I don't doubt the accuracy of the numbers, I do take issue with their presentation. Better might be a series of sentences like this: "The major tribes in Utah are the Navajo, with 17,703 members, the Ute with 3,206, and the Cherokee with 3,351, as of 2010. Many Navajo live near Bears Ears, a national monument and sacred site for tribal traditions." Does that make sense? -- Patrick Neil, _oѺ^∞/Talk 23:50, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The current situation is described based on https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/dec/cph-series/cph-t/cph-t-6.html - the book by Swanton can be used to describe historical situation. You didn't notice that my entries were divided into section about original tribes living in the area and tribes living there in the 21st century. Domen von Wielkopolska (talk) 10:35, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I prefer to present the information in the form of tables instead of prose. Stefen 𝕋ower said that he has no issue with that. My entries had information about historical tribes in the form of prose, and 21st century tribes in the form of tables. Domen von Wielkopolska (talk) 10:45, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's clear that these additions are not up to the standards needed for high-traffic entries like U.S. state articles. The state articles absolutely should list out the recognized and unrecognized tribes that live there, but should not necessarily try and list out the affiliations of individuals. The demographics sections in these articles do not list out the individual ethnic groups beyond the nation of origin (if that); for the sake of neutrality and balance, the lists have to be trimmed and retooled. The sources used are generally not acceptable for making these kinds of claims and should be tailored to each state (which generally does have a government website or interest group publication that will have far more accurate surveys of which tribes live where). There has also been far too much WP:OWN and WP:BATTLEGROUND behavior that absolutely meets the definition of edit warring, regardless of the claims of good faith. Sounder Bruce 02:47, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why shouldn't the state articles mention the affiliations of individuals? All other types of ancestries are listed based on the affiliations of individuals. For example how many German-Americans live in each state, how many Irish-Americans, etc. Look up the article on Illinois, it has very expanded sections about ethnicity and ancestry - Illinois#Demographics Domen von Wielkopolska (talk) 10:38, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Check my last versions of articles Oregon and Washington, I highlighted all tribes local to the West Coast with bold font:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Washington_(state)&oldid=1243690535#Native_American_tribes

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Oregon&oldid=1243691239#Native_American_tribes

Isn't this a good way of presenting such data? What do you suggest to change and why? Domen von Wielkopolska (talk) 11:09, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Let's discuss those two state articles then, because I see several obvious issues. First with the technical implementation, then with the sources being used, and then, yes, with the content itself. Highlighting "local" tribes with bold text is not something that follows the use cases described at MOS:BOLD, and collapsible tables are never supposed to be used within the article per MOS:COLLAPSE. Indeed it has long been suggested that if content is hidden in a collapsed state, then it likely does not belong on that article. Blogspot is a red-status website at WP:RSPSOURCES, which means any page on it has been deemed "Generally unreliable" by the Wikipedia community. On top of that, the sentences listing tribes on both Oregon and Washington is copy/pasted from the website www.native-languages.org, making it a likely WP:COPYVIO, which is a big no-no. It doesn't matter that the page is then cited as the source.

Technical implementation and sources could be improved, but the content is still an issue. On your talk page yesterday, I called out the listing of the Sioux in Rhode Island and Blackfeet in Maine not just because they were, yes, small, but because they were not tribes with a traditional territory that extended into those states. The main Blackfeet reservation is in Montana, while the Sioux covered Minnesota and into the Dakotas. I saw you describe these individuals as "immigrant tribes", which is a term I'll kindly label WP:OR. Back to the states you asked us to look at, I see a row for the 20,257 Cherokee in Washington state, which, out of a total 2010 population of 6,724,540, is just 0.3 percent. I still don't think that's a statistically significant number and I don't think it says anything informative about Washington state. You justify this by using WP:WHATABOUT and pointing to the Illinois article's itemizing of ancestries. I've said that data should clearly be split off into a Demographics of Illinois subarticle, but you're still arguing for including numbers smaller than the smallest number on that table.

If those Cherokee in Washington state in 2010 are important though, then we need to be told why. Did the U.S. government move them there? Do they have a community center built? Or elected politicians? I personally don't think those 20,257 are a "tribe" who collectively "immigrated" to Washington, I think they're probably just individuals living around Seatac and other metro areas, which brings me to my next issue. I worry there is an fundamental misunderstanding of the U.S. Census data going on here. The numbers on the U.S. Census are self-reported, it says that right at the top of the Excel sheets. Many tribes rigorously police membership/citizenship, but you're not using those numbers. Typically on the U.S. state articles we're using census data for percents to describe large overall situations, but when we're dealing with very small numbers the self-reported nature becomes an issue for accuracy. Here is an article from the Washington Post about the issue with AIAN data in the 2020 Census, which includes this line: data about Native Americans is unusually hard to parse... [relying] on each person's own assessment of tribal affiliation, rather than tribal enrollment, and counts many more tribes than have official federal recognition, resulting in a sometimes haphazard system that, as Maxim says, "leads to all sorts of wacky results."

The reason this data is available in 2010 but not 2020 is because in 2020, the Census Bureau described this level of detail as statistical noise. Here I simply have to concur with SounderBruce above when they say these additions are not up to the standards needed for high-traffic entries like U.S. state articles. I've suggested focusing on the Demographics subarticles, and Magnolia677 mentioned including this data in one single article. I'll note we do have the article List of federally recognized tribes by state, which could be a starting point to look at. Thanks -- Patrick Neil, _oѺ^∞/Talk 14:13, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Domen von Wielkopolska, I would strongly advise that you stop adding this information to state articles until a consensus is reached regarding the content and style. I don't see anything even approaching a consensus here yet. Aoi (青い) (talk) 16:36, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Aoi Patrick Neil has suggested that this information should be added in the form of prose instead of tables, and that's what I'm doing now. Domen von Wielkopolska (talk) 16:40, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yet @Patrickneil also stated in the reply directly above mine: these additions are not up to the standards needed for high-traffic entries like U.S. state articles. I've suggested focusing on the Demographics subarticles, and Magnolia677 mentioned including this data in one single article. While I definitely see value in the content you are adding, I generally agree with Patrickneil and SounderBruce that this content is probably not up-to-snuff for state-level articles. Aoi (青い) (talk) 16:45, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Native Americans are the First Peoples in America which is why I think they deserve a short entry in every state article, especially considering that other ethnic data (about ethnicities and ancestries of Non-Native inhabitants) is also given. My additions are not long entries, I literally just add less than 10 lines of text to every article. So far I have done these, so you can judge:

Arkansas#Native American tribes - 4 sentences, 7 lines of text

New Hampshire#Native American tribes - 3 sentences, 7 lines of text

Tennessee#Native American tribes - 4 sentences, 7 lines of text

Illinois#Native American tribes - 5 sentences, 7 lines of text

Pennsylvania#Native American tribes - 4 sentences, 9 lines of text

West Virginia#Native American tribes - 4 sentences, 6 lines of text

Ohio#Native American tribes - 5 sentences, 7 lines of text

Missouri#Native American tribes - 4 sentences, 7 lines of text

As you can see these are very short entries in which the information is condensed as much as possible.

They shouldn't bother anyone. Domen von Wielkopolska (talk) 19:04, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]