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September 15

New Farallon Is. Pictures

My Dad look up W7LR, was on Farallon Island during WWII and I have some interesting pictures I'd like to share but have no idea how. 73.157.20.9 (talk) 00:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

WP:UPIMG and WP:FUW can help you get started. Essentially you will need to confirm the copyright status of your image before uploading. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 02:16, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Phil May (caricaturist)

Please fix up references numbers 4 and 8. I am sorry. Please assist. I only got number 8 wrong - not number 4. Thanks 175.38.37.197 (talk) 03:26, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Photo uploads

How does a newbie post a NASA image of Nantucket Sound on that article page. There is a notice there, saying a good photo is needed. I think I have one that must be in the public domian. Rockawaypoint (talk) 04:00, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

If it's an image directly from NASA, or you personally took the image, you may go to Commons and upload it(see WP:UPIMAGE for more information). New accounts cannot directly upload images to this Wikipedia specifically, but they can on Commons. Files For Upload can offer help for uploading other types of images to this Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 07:00, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

I'll link to Commons specifically- https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:First_steps/Uploading_files 331dot (talk) 07:03, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

how i upload my company details in Wikipedia

its how me some error. I need support how to submit our profile Trade Aira (talk) 09:43, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Trade Aira: You do not submit a company profile because Wikipedia is not a business directory. — ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 09:47, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

User blocked. 331dot (talk) 09:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Aras War

Reference help requested.

Thanks, Dasaking7 (talk) 10:15, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello Dasaking7. The immediate problem is that you haven't given a title, and the {{cite web}} template requires one. The title appears to be "ARMENIA/KARABAKH: 1918 - 1920", so you could insert that.

I am a little unsure as to whether that is a reliable source by Wikipedia's criteria, though, as it appears to be self published. However, WP:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 280#conflicts.rem33.com, four years ago, suggested that Andersen was a "subject matter expert", so it might be acceptable. A source from a reputable publisher would be better. ColinFine (talk) 16:17, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Help nominating an article for deletion?

I want to nominate the article V/Vm Test Records for deletion, since it violates WP:GNG by having no sources or notable news coverage. However, I don't really want to create an account. Is there a way to get this done? 74.108.22.119 (talk) 11:41, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

There is a way for you to do that, though it requires assistance see WP:AFDHOWTO for more information. 331dot (talk) 12:13, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

How can I ensure accuracy and neutrality when adding information to Wikipedia articles?

Hello,

I’m interested in contributing to Wikipedia by adding well-sourced information to articles, but I want to make sure I maintain accuracy and neutrality in my edits. Could you provide some tips or guidelines on how to best approach this? Are there any specific resources or tools that seasoned editors use to avoid unintentional bias or misinformation when editing articles? Anas Raza01 (talk) 13:23, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Anas Raza01. Probably the most important skill for a content writer on Wikipedia is the ability to evaluate the reliability of sources. WP:SOURCE contains the policy language. Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard is a place where you can search for previous discussions about the reliability of a source, or ask about a source that has not previously been discussed. Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources is a non-comprehensive list of assessments of sources that have come up repeatedly. The next important skill is is the ability to summarize a reliable source accurately and succinctly in your own words, avoiding copyright violations, plagiarism and close paraphrasing. The Neutral point of view is the core content policy that explains how to write balanced, even-handed content. Cullen328 (talk) 23:54, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Advice

Say there are two books. They were published several years apart, have completely different titles, covers, structuring. The authors and publishers say and discuss them as separate books to this day. Each is well over the floor of NBOOK. However, having read these books myself, I know that the second is basically an altered and expanded+updated version of the first, sharing about half the same content, while leaving half of the first one out and adding more, but a lot of shared content. None of the sources address this, discussing them purely as two discrete works. I wish to cover both books on Wikipedia. How do I address this? Do I make two articles even though there is a content overlap? Or do I make one article even though that would be a mess and feel like SYNTH because no sources say they overlap? PARAKANYAA (talk) 14:01, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

@PARAKANYAA: Please provide specifics. When I see a hypothetical scenario or a lack of details on the help desk, I get the feeling that the user is trying to get support for a particular position. -Arch dude (talk) 18:12, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Knowing @PARAKANYAA I doubt that's the case, but I too would be interested to know what the books are. -- asilvering (talk) 01:37, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

@Arch dude @Asilvering This isn't really to "support my position". The first book is Les Chevaliers de la mort, the second is Les secrets d'une manipulation (warning, bit of a depressing topic). I own both these books. Both books have several reviews. All the sources that mention both books (including the documentary on the three author's investigation into the case and the books) discuss them separately. The book itself presents them as two completely separate works (listing it as another book from the same authors). PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:53, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

You've got a good spot in that article to add that info: A second book on the OTS was written by the same three authors in 2000, - you can say something like "A second book, incorporating much of the same content, was written...". It's not synth or OR to read two books and observe that they contain the same content. If you think you have a whole article's amount of new text to write on the second book, I don't see any reason not to do so, especially if the reviews don't really deal with the two books as a united body of work. You can always merge the articles later if you change your mind or someone else develops strong opinions about how best to cover them. -- asilvering (talk) 02:04, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

@Asilvering Thanks! Will do something like that. PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:06, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

When I first read this question I assumed these books were fiction. I now understand they are non-fiction? There are inevitably many books on history, biography, biology etc that repeat content. In particular there are many autobiographies written at different stages of the writer's life that repeat content. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:40, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

My understanding of @PARAKANYAA's question is not that they repeat ideas but that they literally repeat the exact same text. That's certainly not inevitable, and usually books that do this are marketed as "updated" versions of the previous book. -- asilvering (talk) 15:09, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I am talking about text directly, not ideas. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Requesting an entry

Hello. In the early 1960s (maybe even in the 1950s) when I lived in New York City there were TV commercials for a product called Nu-Fizz. It was eitheer a small round product (like a Necco wafer) or a powder that one could add to a glass of water to make a personal-size sparking soda-like drink. I am surprised there is no entry for it in Wikipedia. (I'm also surprised I can't find one of the old commercials on youtube.com.) I don't recall enough about the product to write about it, but perhaps someday someone will add information about Nu-Fizz in Wikipedia. Thank you. Fred Ost, Skokie, IL Fred137Ost (talk) 16:21, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

There would need to be significant coverage in secondary sources for a separate article and so this would probably not qualify. YouTube is a useful source of old TV commercials, but this on its own would not be notable. As you have said, a web search on Nu-Fizz doesn't bring up anything.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:26, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

@Fred137Ost: FWIW, this sounds exactly like Fizzies. Fabrickator (talk) 16:43, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Fred137Ost, take a look at the photo of the sales display in that article labelled "new! FIZZIES". I am 72 and remember that product. Cullen328 (talk) 00:02, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Pseudoscience Listings

I'm reaching out, not because I have a disagreement with elements included on the list on this page (cited below), but because some of the material is being dealt with in such a culturally dismissive and insensitive fashion. I am not a fan of pseudoscience. However, as an anthropologist, I am a big fan of cultural respect. When the facts do not support a thing, clearly, we must go with the facts. But when entire cultures have been using a school of medicine for centuries and continue to use them even now, for example, being respectful is not going to damage those facts. If anything, it might engage those individuals within those cultures to read on. They might then, in turn, consider expanding their options to include alternatives that could save lives. Of course, my opinion and $10 will buy you a small cup of coffee at SB's, but here it is for what it's worth. Thank you for all that you do. In all these years, this is the first time I've found something serious enough (in my opinion) to contact you about. As records go, that's excellent! D Rice-Bassett https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_topics_characterized_as_pseudoscience Donna Rice-Bassett (talk) 16:39, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Donna Rice-Bassett. All Wikipedia articles should be written from a neutral point of view; but having said that, they should summarise what the reliable sources say on the subject, and if the preponderance of sources are dismissive of a subject, the article mayd reflect that.

Nevertheless, there is always a degree of editorial discretion in the writing, (and indeed, opportunity for editors to disagree, and discuss the matter to reach a consesnsus: see WP:BRD).

You are as welcome as any other editor to edit articles that you think can be improved; but that particular article has been semi-protected so that new editors cannot edit it directly. But you can raise an edit request on the article's talk page (here Talk:List of topics characterized as pseudoscience). It is always good to be as specific as possible - you haven't specified here any examples where you think the article could be worded better. An edit request should be of the form "Add X after Y", or "Remove X" or "Replace X by Y". ColinFine (talk) 17:37, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Places to seek/get help editing

Is there a project-namespace page for putting things that another editor could fix/where editors can find things to fix. I mean thing such as lead-paraphrasing and similar, that an editor doesn't "feel like" doing instead of putting them on a workList. Luhanopi (talk) 17:23, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

You can write at the article talk page or you can use cleanup templates. Some Wikiprojects may also collect improvement suggestions. Janhrach (talk) 20:08, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

For example, if an article's lead needs to be improved, an editor might put one of the introduction cleanup maintenance templates on it, such as {{lead extra info}} or {{lead rewrite}}. This places the article into Category:Wikipedia introduction cleanup. That isn't technically in the project namespace – it's a category, which automatically displays a list of pages that have been placed into it. jlwoodwa (talk) 00:46, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

I am referring to a page where any editor can drop a link and anybody else can help. If it does not exist maybe it can be made Luhanopi (talk) 17:51, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

There is no such centralized page. As I said, some Wikiprojects may collect improvement suggestions about articles related to them. Janhrach (talk) 17:46, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Hebrew transliteration

I noticed a lot of Hebrew text is transliterated with Society of Biblical Literature Academic scheme. However {{transliteration}} and {{#invoke:Lang/data}} seem to accept for he only ahl (Academy of the Hebrew Language) and iso as parameters. Could you suggest a workaround? Perhaps adding add Society of Biblical Literature Academic sbl-a and Society of Biblical Literature General sbl-g?-- Carnby (talk) 18:08, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Since (as far as I can see) the transliteration scheme is only for the reader, and has no effect on the operation of the template, it should be straightforward to add it. I suggest putting a request on Module talk:Lang/data (there is a "Request edit" button at the top). ColinFine (talk) 18:18, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Before you do that, you might want to consult with whichever wikiproject has cognizance over Hebrew text transliteration at en.wiki. I know, for example, that WikiProject Japan prefers Hepburn romanization so perhaps there is a similar preference when transliterating Hebrew.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 18:32, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

My Wikipedia page

Annalisa Berta (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I wish to correct and add info on my page.

i began employment at SDSU in 1982 not 1989

in 2022 I was elected a Felloof the Paleontological Society Annalisa Berta (talk) 19:13, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Annalisa Berta, I have made the corrections. Information on Wikipedia needs a reliable source, but I was able to check the information online. TSventon (talk) 19:39, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Punctuation for an "ABC list"

Timetable. The tire mascot went through three stages. As follows: a. 1910–28, 1935–intermittent intervals. The creator was Burr Griffen, an agency art director; b. 1929–30. Yawn turned into smile—anonymous; c. 1930–34. Modernized by Paul Martin.

The above is an excerpt from the article "Paul Martin (illustrator)." Should there be a semicolon or period at the end of the a and b sentences? Does "intermittent intervals" or "intermittently" or "1935–onward" make sense? The mascot had appeared in ads on-and-off since 1935. It depended on whether or not the tire brand was being produced. The word "anonymous" means that the artist who made that change is unknown (never given credit). Clear enough? The phrase "As follows:" seems to be needed for completeness. Thanks. JimPercy (talk) 21:26, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

I find the first paragraph above very hard to understand. If I came across it in an article, I'd try to figure out what it means, and then rewrite it using sentences with verbs in them. Maproom (talk) 22:03, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

When I first read that I thought it was an image caption, which might have required some finagling to parse better. Without an image to refer to, the use of lettering like that in prose is bizarre. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:37, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Okay, so maybe it should be rewritten into complete sentences. In actuality, someone might read the two references after that word "Timetable" and it would be clear though. Nonetheless, I'll just rewrite it into a short paragraph instead, without trying to be so precise. JimPercy (talk) 23:00, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Timetable.The pajama-clad boy went through three stages. As follows: a. 1910–28, 1935–. Created by Burr Giffen. (An agency art director.) b. 1929–30. The boy's yawn became a smile. Uncredited. c. 1930–34. Modernized by Paul Martin. [Maybe this way is clearer. I'll have to re-look at it later.] JimPercy (talk) 23:52, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Why talk about "three stages" at all? How about something like:

The pajama-clad boy, created by Burr Giffen, was first used in 1910. In 1929 or 1930 the yawn was replaced by a smile. Between 1930 and 1934, Paul Martin modernized the image.

(This has the advantage of clarifying what the dates actually mean - I don't understand them in your excerpt above, so they're probably not right in my version). ColinFine (talk) 10:19, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

I thought it simplified and summarized things by putting the trade character into three distinctive different periods. The alternative is to lose accuracy. I actually deleted the part "An agency art director", yesterday. So that makes it clearer. JimPercy (talk) 13:07, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

The article has a number of other issue, not least of which is having citations in the form:

Path: hathitrust.org>select "full text">enter the above title (with quotes)>hit "search">view "Report v. 21-30." It's about the third entry down.

@JimPercy: Your commons uploads include artwork "passed down the family line... from my own collection." Are you related to the subject? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:18, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

No blood relation. Not related. That pass down part is through the wife of the artist. I was given the picture from a relative of the wife. The artist and his wife had no children. JimPercy (talk) 12:28, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

That sentence you mentioned "Path: hathitrust.org>select"full text..." is meant as a backup in case it becomes a dead link. If that's confusing then it should be deleted. (However, if it ever becomes a dead link, it will be hard to recoup since it's under a different title.) The references all go directly to highly stable (and usually vintage) sources, unlike a very large pct. of articles. Half of references or more give additional notes. I think they should stay combined. JimPercy (talk) 12:43, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

September 16

Locked pages

I was just about to make a Donation when I saw there are many “locked pages” and they are biased and contain misinformation. The sandy hook shooter conspiracy for example. There are many pages like this .the thing I liked about Wikipedia is it is FOR US BY US AND WE CAN CHANGE IT but you guys are clearly working for some agency now that is part of banning and censoring the truth. It is corporate or government? There’s no difference in this oligarchy really I guess MichaelStephen1977 (talk) 00:07, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, MichaelStephen1977. The Wikimedia Foundation does the fundraising and volunteer Wikipedia editors are not involved with the finances and have no way of knowing who does and who does not donate money. We care far more about who donates content. If you don't want to donate money, that is fine. The WMF is rolling in cash.

As for articles being "locked" or protected, that is solely to deter an ongoing pattern of vandalism and disruptive editing. Semi-protection, by far the most common form, only requires an account four or more days old that has made ten or more edits in order to edit. That's not onerous.

Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting conspiracy theories is semi-protected because of heavy and persistent vandalism/violations of content policy over a series of years.

As for clearly working for some agency now that is part of banning and censoring the truth, frankly speaking, that is a ludicrous assertion. I have been an editor for 15 years and a highly active administrator for seven years. Never once has any "agency" or anyone else told me what to do and I have been involved with some highly controversial matters. Cullen328 (talk) 00:33, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

You may want to read Wikipedia's protection policy to understand how and why these pages are restricted from editing. In short, it's a response to frequent vandalism or other disruption, and it's not meant to enforce a particular version of the page. Article content is decided by the consensus of the Wikipedia community, not external governments or agencies. jlwoodwa (talk) 00:37, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Wikipedia is for us and we can change it as long as we do so in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Wikipedia has never intentionally been a free-for-all where anything goes. So, if you're unable to edit a particular article because it's protected, you can use the article's associated talk page to propose changes. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:46, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Interestingly, no one has made an edit request on Talk:Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting conspiracy theories in three years. Cullen328 (talk) 00:52, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Editing

Hello - If an editor sees an article about a subject with whom the editor has a COI and should therefore not edit that article, how would the editor best seek corrections? Sylvan1971 (talk) 02:03, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

@Sylvan1971, have a look at WP:ER for instructions. -- asilvering (talk) 02:10, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Copyright status of images of possibly copyrighted items/designs

Hi, I uploaded File:Pinky peach mint.jpg and File:Pinky Monkey.jpg to Commons to improve Pinky (candy). I've looked at both items closely and I didn't see any indication of it being copyrighted (like a symbol or some text), so I'd assumed it would be fine to take a picture and upload it. However, I was looking at Reese's Pieces and noticed that the image of the bag was uploaded to Wikipedia as non-free fair use image. Do my images of the container and mascot violate copyright? If so, how would I fix this? (Could anyone direct me to a page with more information?) AsYouWish13 03:27, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Note: Marchjuly has tagged c:File:Pinky Monkey.jpg for deletion, citing c:COM:TOYS. jlwoodwa (talk) 04:51, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

That generally answers my question about Pinky Monkey. (It is a Japanese toy, so it should be fine, though I don't know if I tagged it correctly.) However, the other image is more valuable to the page and I am still worried about the copyright status of that image. Is it ok? AsYouWish13 05:13, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

The relevant information is at c:COM:UA and c:COM:TOO Japan. As far as I can tell, nothing there directly applies to this situation, but the wrapper depicted in File:Pinky peach mint.jpg is arguably ineligible for copyright. But even if Commons decides to delete it, you can upload it locally as a non-free image – it would clearly meet the criteria. jlwoodwa (talk) 05:40, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

@AsYouWish13: As the last sentence of c:COM:TOYS states, the toy needs to be OK under Japanese copyright law and US copyright law for it to be OK for Commons. This toy seems to be eligible for copyright protection under US copyright law; so, it likely can't be hosted by Commons. It could be uploaded locally to English Wikipedia as non-free content, but each it would need to meet WP:NFCC each time it's used. The way it's currently be used wouldn't satisfy WP:NFCC#8 in my opinion, and I don't think you'll be able to establish a consensus that it does. The other image might not be OK for Commons per c:COM:PACKAGING per c:COM:JAPAN, though under US copyright law such images are sometimes considered OK because of the case Ets-Hokin v. Skyy Spirits Inc. Another user named Clindberg is fairly knowledgeable about how this case is applied on Commons, and perhaps he can help sort things out. The container for the candy is almost certainly utilitarian; so, the only issue is the label. The photo might be OK under US copyright law because it shows the container and the label together, and just doesn't focus on the label itself. The only possible issue would then be who took the photo. If that was you, then it's a non-issue. Unlike the keychain/toy, though, this file seems OK to upload as non-free (as long as you took the photo) even if it's not free enough for Wikipedia per US copyright law. In that case, the photo would be licensed under the CC license you used on Commons, but the label would need a non-free license and a non-free use rationale; the file would also need to comply with WP:NFCC each time it's used. If you didn't take the photo yourself, then it's likely too non-free per WP:FREER even for non-free content since both the photo and the label would need to be treated as non-free content for different reasons. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:21, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the link to c:COM:PACKAGING; for some reason that synonym of "wrapper" didn't occur to me. jlwoodwa (talk) 14:36, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

@Marchjuly Thank you for the thorough response. I don't think the picture of the mascot is all that important, so I'll go ahead and G7 it (I think there's a Commons equivalent? Hopefully I'm doing everything right.) I'm the one that took both photos, so I'll wait for a response regarding the label. AsYouWish13 14:40, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

There is indeed a Commons equivalent; it's even got the same name: c:COM:G7. jlwoodwa (talk) 14:48, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

New wiki page

How do you create a wikipedia page for an author? 2600:1004:B330:AC04:50EF:D799:7AA6:9588 (talk) 09:34, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft.

When you come to create your article, absolutely the first thing to do is to establish that the author meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability - you cannot assume that they will, even if they have published several books. If you can find the necessary sources, then go ahead: if you cannot, give up and do something different.

Notice also that an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. ColinFine (talk) 10:25, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Try to always keep in mind that Wikipedia articles are about the subect, never for the benefit of the subject, or anyone or anything related to it. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:25, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Laird

In the right hand side - the large info-box should have a capital "T" on the first word in the box - "The" chapeau... I cannot fix this up. Please do so if you are capable. Thank you in advance. 58.171.152.120 (talk) 09:51, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Fixed, best. CMD (talk) 10:09, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Is "represents Scot barons" in that caption correct? I would alter it to "Scottish barons", but the fact that you noticed "the" but didn't say anything about "Scot barons" makes me wonder if it is correct for some reason. (There is nothing in thye text of the article that suggests so). ColinFine (talk) 10:32, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

I would have been inclined to use 'Scots' instead of 'Scottish' (because royalty and nobility in Scotland had a greater emphasis than in England about people ruled rather than territory controlled): however, either would evoke the idea of Scotland only. The baronetage in question was (to simplify) expanded (in 1624) to be that of Scotland and Nova Scotia, so 'Scot' might be considered more inclusive, although I have not managed to find any references in my collection of heraldry texts that supports this. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.83.137 (talk) 12:58, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

email

HELLO SIR,

              CAN I GET BACK MY BLOCKED EMAIL ADDRESS ,, 

THANK YOU' දෝන දමයන්ති (talk) 13:35, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

This page is for asking for help to edit Wikipedia. We know nothing about your email address. Also, please don't SHOUT. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:48, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Contributions history

Hi, it looks like all my contributions are not listed anymore in my profile ; can someone help me on this, please ? Granvorka Granvorka (talk) 15:22, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Your history indicates you have two edits, the above comment, and one edit to an article. If you know you made other edits, you may have made them while logged out. You can check the edit histories of where you edited. 331dot (talk) 15:35, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Granvorka, could you mean your contributions at French Wikipedia? Folly Mox (talk) 22:00, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Automatically substituting all elements of category into list

This is a complicated one, but could prove very useful for the WikiProject I am trying to recover. The list would look something like a continually updated version of: Wikipedia:WikiProject Academic Journals/Lists of pages/Articles. Key requirements of any technical solution:

• (A) The category concerned is only placed on the articles' talk pages while I need both the talk and mainspace page in my list.
• (B) Now, it is important that this list cannot be a transclusion, it must be a substitution. Ideally, this substitution should be repeated very regularly to make sure that these two keep tracking each other. Who runs a bot that would be best-suited for such a task?

I might want to repeat your instructions for multiple categories in the future...

Kind regards. Biohistorian15 (talk) 16:31, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps try WP:VPT. Polygnotus (talk) 09:22, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

User:ListeriaBot does this, based on data from Wikidata, rather than categories, but if should be possible to write a query that finds everything ((that should be) in a given category. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:44, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

What did I do wrong & what do I need to do to correct my page?

What did I do wrong & what do I need to do to correct my page? I read the help logs and I'm still not sure if it's the name I chose or the content I published??? Please advise Fraternity and Sorority Gifts (talk) 16:51, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Editor blocked for obvious spam. Acroterion (talk) 16:54, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

The user name you were hoping for seems to be Fraternity and Sorority Gifts. User accounts are almost always for one person, not a group. Also, the purpose of Wikipedia is not promoting this or that business, and it seems unlikely a user with that name would adhere to Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a soapbox or means of promotion. That is why the account has been blocked (but leaving the ability to ask questions in certain places, like here). Jc3s5h (talk) 16:58, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, their block does not leave them able to edit this page (or any, besides their talk page). They created this section here before the block was placed. jlwoodwa (talk) 17:03, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Disable images in search widget for certain skins

Can you clarify the paragraph below in detail? I want to perform this procedure:

Search result images can be turned off by altering the respective common.css for the skin being used and adding a rule to not display background images for spans of the class .wvui-typeahead-suggestion__thumbnail. For example:

span.wvui-typeahead-suggestion__thumbnail {
  background-image:none !important;    
}

Kidgeorge (talk) 21:06, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Customisation § Skins might be helpful. For example, if you want to turn off search image results on Monobook, you'd create/edit Special:MyPage/monobook.css and insert that code. If you want to do this for all skins, you'd edit Special:MyPage/common.css instead. jlwoodwa (talk) 23:18, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Wrong title

Please correct the title of new article Joe Scaife. I inadvertently uploaded it from my Sandbox with the name of Eagledj/sandbox/Joe Scaife. Please change the title to simply "Joe Scaife". Thank you for helping. Eagledj (talk) 21:07, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

I've submitted a technical move request on your behalf. jlwoodwa (talk) 23:13, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

The move request has been carried out, and the article is now at the title Joe Scaife. jlwoodwa (talk) 23:20, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

September 17

Editing a table

Hey everyone! I am asking on editing a table to add note that Safari 18 dropped support for JPEG-2000. However, while I was able to update the table on JPEG-2000 page, I can't seem to edit the Safari text to add a note saying Safari 18 dropped support and earlier versions supported JPEG-2000 in visual editor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CKing123 (talk • contribs)

@CKing123: Some tables like the first column of JPEG 2000#Applications 2 use features which prevent editing with VisualEditor. You can switch to source editing on the pencil icon at the top right. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:36, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! CKing123 (talk) 01:56, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Customising Navbox

Hey there, I'd like to enquire how I can customize my navbox to use custom colours (check my userpage, it's the first dropdown) as I've seen with some other users. Henry (talk) 05:21, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Have a look over at Help:Table § Colors in tables TiggerJay (talk) 05:42, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Appreciate it. Henry (talk) 11:04, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the examples provided in the help article hasn't worked. Thanks for the assistance though! Henry (talk) 04:59, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

@Henry Herrmann-Friedrich: See Template:Navbox#Style parameters for where to place color code for backgrounds. If you want to change text color then wrap the text in code like <span style="color:green;">...</span>? If the text is linked then the code has to be inside a piped link like [[Example|<span style="color:green;">Example</span>]] to produce Example. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:39, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

how to create a Wikipedia page for my NGO?

How to create a page for my NGO from India Haindaveeyam Foundation Haindaveeyam Foundation (talk) 09:00, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Don't. Wikipedia articles must be neutral – experience has shown that people have great trouble writing neutrally about organisations they have founded or work for (see our conflict of interest guidelines). You're better off waiting for someone else to do so. – Teratix ₵ 09:09, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Also, you need to change your username (or, more easily, abandon the account and create a new one). Wikipedia accounts are for individuals, and may not have a name that suggests that they are represent an organisation. See the Username Policy

Note also that promotion of any kind (ie, telling the world about your organisation) is not permitted in Wikipedia, and that an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing.

(You may be wondering why, if telling the world about your organisation is "promotion" and not permitted, we have articles about organisations at all. The answer is that most such articles were not written by people connected with the organisation, and what they tell is what independent commentators have published about the organisation, not what the organisation itself says or wants to say). ColinFine (talk) 09:21, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

New article creation: No draft option shown.

When I try to create a new article - say AnyNewTitle - then I get the suggestion to start in my personal space under Special:Mypage/AnyNewTitle. But I do not get the suggestion to start it as Draft:AnyNewTitle. Why? Isn't this the purpose of draft space? --KnightMove (talk) 12:22, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

How are these suggestions being provided? You may create drafts by using the WP:WIZARD. 331dot (talk) 12:27, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

When clicking AnyNewTitle I see text made by MediaWiki:Newarticletext:

Before creating an article, please read Help:Your first article. We recommend that new editors use the Article wizard.

Both links eventually lead to an option to create a draft although you have to enter the title again. I think it's OK you have to read some advice before getting to the draft namespace. Otherwise we would probably get more junk drafts, and confused users who don't have a submit button on their draft and don't know what to do. Often they think the draft has been submitted when they click "Publish", so they don't do more and nothing ever happens. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:02, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

wrong, offensive, antisemetic content

“zionism” is simply believing that the jewish people have a right to have a homeland. the page on zionism is antisemetic, accusing jews of being colonizers, illegal settlers, and wanting to get rid of palestinians. this is not true, and quite offensive. Zionism 2607:FEA8:87C0:7780:797F:5E58:5868:CD8E (talk) 13:38, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

If you have any doubts about the contents of the page, you can click the source citations near any claim for material that backs up that claim. As a contentious topic within the sphere of the Arab–Israeli conflict, it is held under extra scrutiny to be fully verifiable. See also WP:Wikipedia is not censored. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 13:43, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Due to the restrictions around that topic area, you are not permitted to edit about this topic; you must have an account that is 30 days old with 500 edits. 331dot (talk) 17:11, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Vinnie Tortorich

Why is Vinnie Tortorich not on wikipedia? 2601:645:D80:F050:3921:71B5:461A:5FB2 (talk) 17:07, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Because no one has written an article about him that summarizes what independent reliable sources say about him and what makes him a notable person. 331dot (talk) 17:10, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

If a person doesn't have a Wikipedia article, they likely lack notability by Wikipedia's standards. If you believe this individual is notable enough for an entry, you can request for their article to be made. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 17:10, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Be advised that RA is backlogged to the point of uselessness. 331dot (talk) 17:12, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

An article at Vinnie Tortorich was created in 2010 and deleted in 2019. Requests for undeletion were declined at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion/Archive 342#Vinnie Tortorich, Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion/Archive 367#Vinnie Tortorich and Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion/Archive 368#Vinnie Tortorich. See also Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2023 May 30#Missing personality. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:23, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Change main title

Trying to modify name from Cecil Williams South Carolina Museum to

South Carolina Civil Rights Museum Clarendon26 (talk) 17:55, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Changing a title is called a page move. That may be requested at requested moves, if you think it will be completely uncontroversial. Keep in mind the official or legal name is not necessarily the title of an article here, see WP:COMMONNAME. 331dot (talk) 18:28, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

It was called the Cecil Williams South Carolina Civil Rights Museum but according to the official website it is now the South Carolina Civil Rights Museum. The page isn't move protected, but you should explain on the talk page why the name has changed, this isn't clear.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 18:33, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

September 18

Notable?

Whenever I stumble across an image that illustrates something important such as the Shakespearean character Falstaff and I do not recognize any actor's names in the caption [1] and the actors are not linked to their own page here at WP, it draws my curiosity to the either the image's notability or the connection it has to something else listed at WP. In this instance, the Pacific Repertory Theatre. It reads extremely promotional, and does not seem to be any more notable than any other regional theater across the country, and tries to come across more important than it is by linking other notable names. Golden Bough Playhouse may be the theatre's home, but even that only links to Edward G. Kuster. I am bringing it here to the Help Desk rather than the Talk Page for two reasons: 1. The Talk Page does not get enough traffic for a discussion, and 2. the last two AFDs I put up for deletion were actually just poorly written articles and either were merged or enhanced to the point of "KEEP". Before I place this up for AFD, should this article be 1. merged, 2. heavily scrubbed, or 3. placed up for AFD? Thanks in advance. Maineartists (talk) 01:21, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Regarding PRT, it seems like it meets the criteria of WP:LOCAL and has been sufficiently covered locally by multiple independent sources in the local area. It does seem that GBP has recently been turned into a redirect to Kuster by an experienced editor, although it does not appear that it was ever discussed, but a AfD was briefly brought up in the talk of GBP. I would think that it simply need to be edited following the guidance at LOCAL. TiggerJay (talk) 03:01, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

@Maineartists: WP:LOCAL is an essay, and even that essay acknowledges that an article about a company (in this case a nonprofit corporation) should cite sources that have a national, or at least regional, audience.

The threshold of notability here is WP:CORP, period. If it doesn't meet the criteria, it's ripe for AFD nomination. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:14, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Anachronist and Tiggerjay for all this. As GBP was merged, I am wondering if this theatre needs its own page at all since it is covered quite well on the page Carmel-by-the-Sea, California under Arts and Entertainment: [2]. Since the PRT page needs a good scrubbing, most of the LOCAL and CORP info would be reduced to what is found at CBTS. There are only a few sentences that need be added to the A&E section. Maineartists (talk) 04:27, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Yep, I wouldn't be opposed of merging it into the Carmel article either and stripping out some of the unnecessary promotionalism. TiggerJay (talk) 05:23, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Could I ask someone to take a few pokes at one of my sandbox pages for some citation stuff?

Hi all, I've been messing with re-using citations for some complex sources, where I want to cite specific page numbers, add a quote (to back the citation/reference) and minimize the number of cited objects in the References sections. I've gone through Preview-level tests and messed with enough various citation templates that I'm not sure at this point which is best for my needs. If it's easier, by all means edit this:

User:Very Polite Person/test3

I don't know what the right formulation for this is... so in that example, I have one source that I used in Born secret. What I want to do is have the single 'object' for that, and then use some other template to repeatedly use that same reference name/link, but then for each new invocation, add a unique page number and a unique "quote" field for each. Ideally, each new citation would be clickable to go back to the main/mother ship Reference citation.

Kind of like these, but I'm not sure what is the right combinations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Very_Polite_Person/test3#cite_ref-2

By all means you have permission to edit that page for this! I am a big fan of re-using my templates for references to keep things simple, so I just need one feasible example (if this is a thing that is possible). If this isn't the right help desk to ask, which could be best? -- Very Polite Person (talk) 02:21, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Quotations require citations, citations do not require quotations. to back the citation/reference suggests to some that you aren't comfortable with the reliability of the source. I hacked your sandbox but left your quotations. In a real article, I would likely have deleted them.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 02:52, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately I've kinda self-recruited myself to help police a... contentious BLP article I came across and started an article that's a bit in my wheelhouse (and also... contentious), and wanted to build up an article that I've had my eye on for a while for a broad set of sciences I am interested in. I was thinking of using quotes down in the References section to minimize any agita by all involved, by being beyond transparent what I'm drawing my sourcing from. So just a page number at most, even for contentious stuff? I have a number of sources like this one for various articles, some of them deep into the double digits or more that I've bee wanting to begin working off. I could be pulling 10, 20 usages off some of them, sometimes from the same page for different ends. Really, just the page number is plenty?

And thanks for that edit, that's neat--does that template/inline linking there just default to the first character set of the reference 'anchor'? What if I have several sources from the same author, like multiple different "Wellerstein", different sources, but same year? Just use some other character string to differentiate? -- Very Polite Person (talk) 03:00, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Generally, the page number is enough. A reader who is sufficiently interested in consulting your source can (should) read the sourced material in its own context, where it is free from any real or perceived en.wiki bias.

{{harvnb}} accepts one to four author surnames and a year. From these it makes a link to CITEREF<name1><name2><name3><name4><year> (no spaces). At the same time, the cs1|2 templates create an identical target ID from the first four author surnames and the year portion of the source's publication date. When there are multiple sources by the same author(s) in the same publication year, to disambiguate, append a lowercase letter to the publication date:

{{cite book |last=Wellerstein |date=1900a |title=Title One}} → CITEREFWellerstein1900a (target)

{{cite book |last=Wellerstein |date=1900b |title=Title Two}} → CITEREFWellerstein1900b

{{harvnb|Wellerstein|1900a|p=35}} → CITEREFWellerstein1900a (link)

{{harvnb|Wellerstein|1900b|p=35}} → CITEREFWellerstein1900b

—Trappist the monk (talk) 11:28, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Policy about quotation marks in a song title

I was looking at Hyakuman-kai no "I Love You" because of its DYK and I could swear there was a policy where you reduce the quotation marks in a title to single quotes if it's referred to in quotes (so the title of the article would be the same but in the text the song would be referred to as "Hyakuman-kai no 'I Love You'"). I can't find it, so maybe I hallucinated it... if someone could direct me to that policy (if it exists) it would be greatly appreciated. AsYouWish13 05:19, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

That's not a policy. It's just standard American English. Per Quotation mark, "In American writing, quotation marks are normally the double kind (the primary style). If quotation marks are used inside another pair of quotation marks, then single quotation marks are used." Clarityfiend (talk) 08:25, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

AsYouWish13, are you looking for MOS:"? Folly Mox (talk) 14:44, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

@AsYouWish13: The specific guideline for the usage in question is MOS:QWQ. Note the last sentence there for how to add a thin space between the closing single and double quotes. Deor (talk) 16:04, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

How to cite hardcopy sources which has no softcopy available on the internet

There's this 100yr jubillee book of the church which has the list of former layministers and sacristans. But i have doubt adding it here beacuse i cant refer it to a softcopy like a pdf on the internet. is there a way to add info from a source where a sopftcopy or a url for it is unavailable? VihirLak007 (talk) 08:13, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia content is based on reliable published sources. They can be either hardcopy or softcopy, but they must be published, i.e. available to the public. If they are not published they cannot be used for Wikipedia content. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:28, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

if its available in a public library, which is in this case the public library of the church where the jubilee book is available for anyone to read, how can i cite it? any template? VihirLak007 (talk) 08:37, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

VihirLak007, you are describing a self-published source that can only be used with great caution, and the relevant policy language is at WP:ABOUTSELF. For a template, see Template: Cite book. Cullen328 (talk) 08:45, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

donation

Dear all, I wanted to make a donation, but you ask to much privacy information: name, email address, and then you also would know my bank account, which i don't like. Sorry. 2A02:A440:569D:1:94F9:E822:6B82:19AA (talk) 08:21, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

That is really no different from making any other donation or purchase online, but you can find alternative ways to donate at https://donate.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ways_to_Give Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:30, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Translated name of an institution

Our hospital (Hôpitaux universitaires de Genève, a French name) has in the distant past used one English translation (Geneva university hospitals) of its name. Today, common practice and the formal decision to simplify down to the singular form in English, prefers the version: University hospital of Geneva. This is problematic as the Wikipedia page is of course titled as per the old translation : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_University_Hospitals

Should I - and if so what are the repurcussions in terms of referencing - attempt to CORRECT that page title, and all the mentions therein? Or just leave it as is.

Curiously, the Wikimedia Commons label, under the External Sources section of our wiki page states having "media related to University Hospital of Geneva", the correct later English translation.

The whole question arises in my mind as I started looking at updating the page of our new director general, where I was on the point of adding : "He is currently director general of the (later English translation name)" which, of course, would not match the name on the wikipage currently.

Thank you for your advice ! InstitCommsHug (talk) 12:46, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi, please know that your username is against our username policy. Your username cannot be that of your job or part of the company("Comms"), it must represent you as an individual, as only a single person should have exclusive access to your account and may not share it with others. Please go to Special:GlobalRenameRequest or WP:CHUS to request a change of username. 331dot (talk) 12:52, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Understood, thanks very much and will do (the change request.) InstitCommsHug (talk) 14:53, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

@InstitCommsHug Changing the title of an article is done by moving it to the new name. In this case the hospital's own website (English version) still shows its name as Hôpitaux Universitaires Genève. Once we have a reliable source, even the institution's own website, that documents what you call the "formal decision" to make the change to "University hospital of Geneva", then Wikipedia will follow suit. As a WP:PAID editor, there are some things you need to do (see that linked page) before you provide the move request, which can be on the Talk Page of the article using the edit request wizard to draw it to the attention of uninvolved editors. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:23, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

WP:COMMONNAME is also relevant; the official or legal name of a topic is not necessarily the title of its article. 331dot (talk) 14:57, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

for PANCREAS (edit) I propose this link in "ADDITIONAL FUCTIONS":

!N "ADDITIONAL FUNTIONS" : HELP

Recently, an unprecedented role in pancreatic carcinogenesis has been highlighted through the concentration and elimination of radiocesium in pancreatic juice. Studies by Nelson, Sodee, Bandazhevsky, Venturi, and others, have reported that pancreatic cells have a high capacity to concentrate the harmful radioactive Cesium in experimental scintigraphies with Cs-137 and in soils polluted by radioactive fallout in mammals (mice, dogs and humans) and also in birds and fish (chickens and carp).

Xventuri (talk) 14:38, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

This is best directed to Talk:Pancreas. 331dot (talk) 14:40, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

@Xventuri Note that Wikipedia has very stringent sourcing requirements for medical claims, explained at WP:MEDRS. I don't think these sources qualify but you can discuss that on the Talk Page of the article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:53, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

I note that you have already added material to the Italian Wikipedia and marked it as a "minor" change. That is not how such an addition would be considered here (see WP:MINOR). If you are in any way related to the author Venturi of the 2021 article (as seems possible given your username), you should carefully read this advice about conflict-of-interest editing. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:07, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

I am the author ( Venturi Sebastiano) of the two modifications in PANCREAS Wikipedia ( it and en.)

https://www.bing.com/chat?q=venturi+sebastiano+researches&qs=SYC&showconv=1&sendquery=1&FORM=ASCHT2&sp=4&ghc=1&lq=0 Xventuri (talk) 16:05, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Not sure why this one page isn't showing as "disambig" while others do

Hello. I just hit my 20 year editor mark and was checking on the articles I've created via this page. I noticed that the Harry Williamson disambig page shows on my list as "Unknown" in assessment while a very similar page, the Anita Miller disambig page shows up correctly as a disambiguation page. I've checked and they seem to have the same basic structure in terms of how they were created, categories, talk pages, etc. Not a huge deal but it's made me curious. What am I missing? Thank you. Jessamyn (my talk page) 19:38, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

@Jessamyn: I made null edits of Harry Williamson and Talk:Harry Williamson. It changed from "Unknown" to "Disambig". PrimeHunter (talk) 20:30, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

How to verify unpublished information obtained by a professional journalist (who is a Wikipedian)?

A person, the topic of a Wikipedia article, died about a year ago. Reliable sources conflict or are ambiguous when they died. I started a talk page discussion. About a year later, a journalist who wrote one of the sources, who is also a Wikipedian, posted in that discussion saying they have personal correspondence from the family confirming the date of death. They want to know how to add this information. -- GreenC 22:47, 18 September 2024 (UTC)