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July 31

Recent Columbus, Ohio, Monorail proposals

so, I am wondering how I should go about editing an article about the transportation history of Columbus, Ohio, to include a group known as Greater Central Ohio Public Transit Project and their goals of seeing Monorail brought back as a consideration for the mass transit in the city. Their group exists on facebook only, however there was at one point a letter to the editor article written to the Columbus Dispatch by who appears to be the group founder. The current only way to access that particular article is through the Columbus Library system, however, so such link does not seem proper for the edit to the article. I tried editing the article but was only able to include the link to their official Facebook group, is that enough in this case? General Greenstar (talk) 00:01, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

General Greenstar, for an article to be written about a subject, en:Wikipedia requires that the subject should be notable. It provides criteria for this. It's not necessary that every ingredient of an article is notable; however, there is an expectation that an ingredient isn't merely trivial. Now, the Greater Central Ohio Public Transit Project has an imposing name (and one that suggests worthy aims); however if (i) the GCOPTP "exists on facebook only" and (ii) you feel the need to point out that a person "who appears to be the group founder" at one point wrote a letter to the editor of Columbus Dispatch, I sense that showing that it rises above the trivial would require some desperate barrel-scraping. -- Hoary (talk) 05:35, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Columbus should consider using a monorail system, Columbus Dispatch, The (OH), January 27, 2020, p12B (columbuslibrary.org) this is the actual source from the Columbus Dispatch, it is only currently accessible if you are a Columbus Resident with a library card, but it does exist. General Greenstar (talk) 18:12, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Mass-linking inside articles

Hello! I've been trying to add wikilinks towards the article Highly Cited Researcher inside articles of researchers included in the program. I have been using FindLink, but adding the backlink to every article in the list is tedious.

Could someone automate something that links Highly Cited Researcher or highly cited researcher in all articles where it is not already wikilinked? BhamBoi (talk) 00:08, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

There appear to be at least two competing programmes, the ISI highly cited researcher and the Clarivate Highly Cited Researchers program, so using a bot would not be a good idea. TSventon (talk) 00:22, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

They are the same. A link to either is fine, though it's a redirect to a section, when the direct link to the Highly Cited Researchers program would be better. Thus, if the text "highly cited researcher" in an article is unlinked, it should be linked to one of these. BhamBoi (talk) 00:53, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

I don't know if this is something that WP:AWB could help with? (I've never used it myself). ColinFine (talk) 14:14, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Neither have I. Should I ask on the talk page? BhamBoi (talk) 14:29, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

You could add a request at WP:AWBTASKS. A Wikipedia search for "Highly Cited Researcher" finds 509 hits, presumably the same as FindLink, and a Wikipedia search for "Highly Cited Researchers" finds a different list of 516 hits, some of which are webometrics highly cited researchers. TSventon (talk) 14:31, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm a AWB user, wouldn't be too bad, but I'm very concerned about the fact that there is nothing on the page being directed to that even mentions ISI.Naraht (talk) 14:47, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Clarivate owns the ISI, and in recent years has stopped branding the program under ISI and has just branded them as Web of Science or Clarivate Highly Cited Researchers. Calling them an ISI Highly Cited Researcher isn't incorrect, it's just what the same program was called a few years back, and linking to ISI or ISI Highly Cited will have a link to the main article. BhamBoi (talk) 15:02, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

BhamBoi that's fair, but IMO, that needs to be shown (and referenced), on the page to be linked to.Naraht (talk) 18:02, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Help with Template:Collapse_top

When setting width to less than 100%, the box always aligns to the center. float=left doesn't work. Pls change it.
So I'm trying to do this in an html table instead:

you could use this userbox

Code	Result
{{Template:User wikipedia/Otter}}	This user has a WikiOtter.	Usage

but my problem is that the header size isn't expanded to full width (from the beginning). If anyone could help me, I would appreciate. Emdosis (talk) 01:02, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

@Emdosis: From what I can see {{Collapse top}} does not have a "float" parameter. Can you please clarify what you are asking? RudolfRed (talk) 01:32, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

@Emdosis: the parameter is "left=yes". -Arch dude (talk) 15:09, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

That aligns the text, not the box. Emdosis (talk) 18:22, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

@Emdosis: {{Collapse top}} is for talk page discussions and always adds margin: 0.2em auto auto; which centers it. I don't see a need to change that for collapsed discussions. I added min-width:36em; to your above table. Is that OK? If the content is larger than 36em then "show" will expand the heading to the right. If it's smaller than 36em then there will be some whitespace in the expanded box. 36em matches the current content for me and em sizes are more consistent than px or %. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:36, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that's perfect thank you very much. I'll try out the margin parameters as well, thanks. Emdosis (talk) 12:41, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Edit: I don't know how to change the margins:

you could use this userbox
Code Result {{Template:User wikipedia/wantOtter}} This user wants a WikiOtter. Usage

Emdosis (talk) 13:03, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

@Emdosis: Where do you want to do it? Some things shouldn't normally be done but you have more freedom in userspace. I think an override would need Wikipedia:TemplateStyles to for example add .mw-archivedtalk {margin: 0.2em !important;} in an associated page. You could also remove auto from the output with {{replace}} like this:

you could use this userbox
Code Result {{Template:User wikipedia/wantOtter}} This user wants a WikiOtter. Usage

PrimeHunter (talk) 13:56, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't understand everything you said, but {{replace}} is perfect. Thanks for the help. Emdosis (talk) 15:31, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Information box

How to create infoboxes in wikipedia? Thank you . Junurita (talk) 06:07, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Junurita, start at Help:Infobox. -- Hoary (talk) 08:23, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

@Junurita For many topics, infoboxes already exist and it is unlikely that you, as a newcomer, will need to create one from scratch. You just need to learn how to fill out the parameters in an existing one. Your recent-created new article at ethyl copper had a Chembox added by another editor. That's the standard infobox for chemicals. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:27, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia page about a person/ persons

I have a few ideas to write about a few persons and their lives. Anil V Gokhale (talk) 09:11, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Great, thanks for wanting to contribute. Writing a new article can be challenging, I would suggest first getting some experience by editing existing articles and using the new user tutorial. If you still want to dive right in to creating articles, you should use the article wizard to create and submit a draft. Make sure you have gathered independent reliable sources that provide significant coverage of the person you want to write about, sources that are not interviews/press releases/the like. You will also need to determine if the person is notable as Wikipedia defines it. 331dot (talk) 09:13, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

@Anil V Gokhale, adding to the above, see WP:BACKWARD. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:12, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

@Anil V Gokhale: Welcome to Wikipedia. Don't. Just don't. At the risk of sounding off-putting, creating a complete, fully-fledged article on any subject on Wikipedia can take many painful (if rewarding) years, not days. Believe. Those who can perform a triple salchow, or fly a helicopter in instruments-only conditions, or scale the north face of the Matterhorn, face considerably fewer challenges than someone with a desire to write a WP article from scratch. Most experienced editors here would suggest that you concern yourself with relatively low-level details, perhaps adding to existing articles with reliable sources. Try Help:Getting started. I hope your time on WP will be positive and fruitful, but there is a huge learning curve to be overcome. WP looks easy, but it really isn't. MinorProphet (talk) 09:40, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Copying templates from other language wikis.

I know that if I translate an article from another language, that at some point the edit summary should include the specific version copied (for example copying https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Studentenverbindung&oldid=247056399 to English (yes, I know Studentenverbindung already exists in enwiki) is that also true for templates and template docs? Naraht (talk) 13:27, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

I think so, yes. They are also copyright materials licensed under CC-BY-SA, so copies or derivative works should be attributed. ColinFine (talk) 14:15, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

OK. I'll do that. I'm not sure templates *can* be used cross-wiki and even if they could, the parameters need to be translated.Naraht (talk) 14:36, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

They can be, but often you need to transfer (and possibly translate) other templates or modules which they depend on as well. ColinFine (talk) 16:23, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

I think copying the one that I want and the second that it depends on is probably the way to go.Naraht (talk) 18:45, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Change a page name

I want to change the name of the page "Club de Rugby Xerez Deportivo FC" to "Rugby Union Xerez" because it is its current name and the team disassociated itself from "Xerez Deportivo Futbol Club" years ago. SkyRugby (talk) 16:37, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @SkyRugby:! The best way to do this is to start an RM discussion by following the procedure at Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting a single page move. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 17:51, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

I've moved it to Rugby Unión Xerez, but yes, in the future, the better place for requests is what ModernDayTrilobite said. – macaddct1984 ^{(talk | contribs)} 18:02, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you @ModernDayTrilobite and @Macaddct1984. SkyRugby (talk) 18:07, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Requesting Deletion of Wikipedia Page

Requesting Deletion of Martha Mbugua's Wikipedia Page! Martha Mbugua She has personally requested for the page to be taken down but we are having quite the challenge on how to do that! Kindly assist! Moengadanie (talk) 17:51, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Moengadanie. Articles can be deleted only if the consensus is that the subject does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability: the subject's wishes are irrelevant (unless the decision on notability is very finely balanced).

However, looking at the article Martha Mbugua, I don't see that the sources present establish that she meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and a quick search did not find any better ones. I have therefore nominated the article for deletion: see WP:Articles for deletion/Martha Mbugua.

The deletion is not automatic: the discussion will stay open for at least a week, and anybody may contribute to it. It is possible that somebody will find some sources to establish Mbugua is notable in Wikipedia's sense, in which case the article will probably be kept.

If you choose to contribute to the discussion, please read the linked on the discussion page before doing so. As I explained above, the wishes of the subject are not normally relevant. ColinFine (talk) 18:09, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

REINSTATE MY WIKIPEDIA PAGE

Hello,

I'm Teri McMinn and I played the character 'Pam', the second female lead in the 1974 film, THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE. When I was considering coming out of anonymity in 2008 and attending a horror convention, a young man asked me, "Teri, you know you're on Wikipedia, right?" I then asked, "What's Wikipedia?" He showed me my page in English, "Teri McMinn", and I believe they used the same bio info as my IMDB page bio. For the first time, I saw a picture of me on set, sitting on the porch steps, taken in August of 1973, 35 years earlier.

That Wiki page has disappeared, and I am no longer linked to the page when my name appears in the "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre" Wiki page cast. My scenes are taught in film classes around the world. The person who created the page must have removed it for whatever reason. I found two other Teri McMinn pages, one in Portuguese and another in Russian. August 7-9 the entire cast, cinematographer, writer-producer, and others involved in the filming will celebrate our TCSM '74's 50th Anniversary, with a screening, and panels, at MoMA in New York City. This film is in the Film Archives of, The Academy Of Motion Pictures, The Smithsonian, and is considered a cult classic horror film. [1][2] Is it possible to have the former page on Wikipedia about me, "Teri McMinn", reinstated? Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!

Thank you and best regards,

Teri McMinn

[3] Pearlofagirl (talk) 19:52, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Hey, there. You might want to take a look at WP:BLP, WP:N and WP:COI. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 20:01, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

As a note, possible references for bringing back the article include

• https://www.slashfilm.com/1448995/only-major-actors-still-alive-texas-chainsaw-massacre-1974/
• https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10465145/What-happened-ORIGINAL-Texas-Chainsaw-Massacre-cast-Netflix-debuts-sequel-stars-today.html Naraht (talk) 02:23, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Not so, Naraht. Quoting WP:DAILYMAIL: the Daily Mail (including its online version, MailOnline) is generally unreliable, and its use as a reference is generally prohibited [...]. As a result, the Daily Mail should not be used for determining notability, nor should it be used as a source in articles. The Daily Mail has a "reputation for poor fact checking, sensationalism, and flat-out fabrication". (I am unfamiliar with slashfilm.com, and haven't looked at it.) -- Hoary (talk) 06:51, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Hoary Good point. Also had a hit on a similar article on the us version of "the sun", but that hits similar situations as a source. (maybe https://bloody-disgusting.com/movie/3505346/star-teri-mcminn-shares-texas-chain-saw-massacre-behind-scenes-photo-youve-probably-never-seen/ )Naraht (talk) 16:56, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

The article (later turned into a redirect) is here. (As for what, if anything, can be done about it, I'll leave the matter to others: unfortunately I'm in a rush.) -- Hoary (talk) 20:23, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, you did have a Wikipedia article at one stage here, but it was redirected in May 2023 because the sourcing was not considered enough to meet the general notability guideline. Wikipedia is not like IMDb and cannot guarantee that every actor in every film and television show will have their own separate article.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 20:13, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

@Pearlofagirl@Hoary@Naraht, looking at archive.org and ProQuest, I might try recreating this one. It's a bit WP:ONEEVENT, but there is coverage over time. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:57, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Missed a ping:@Ianmacm. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:58, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Copied CS1 module language issues

Hello, I hope this is an okay type of question to ask here. I copied the citation style 1 templates and modules from here over to another wiki, and it works mostly, but with other language sources it seems to treat the categories they get put in different. For instance if I have a source tagged as Danish it gets categorised as "CS1 dansk-language sources (da)", but on Wikipedia the category is named "CS1 Danish-language sources (da)", same goes for other languages including non-latin alphabet ones. I've searched through the modules and I can't find any issues in our copy, so I don't know if there's a module I'm missing or if its an internal Mediawiki thing I don't know about. Thanks! Ringtail Raider (talk) 22:15, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

The correct place to ask this question is at Help talk:Citation Style 1. When you do, tell us which wiki you are having problems with.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 22:19, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

I was going to post it there but I was given this message" "Attention

Talk pages in this namespace are generally not watched by many users. Please consider visiting the Help desk for a more prompt response or reviewing the Help contents for quick tips." Ringtail Raider (talk) 22:27, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Really? Where, exactly, did you see that? Help talk:Citation Style 1 is the place to go for questions regarding the cs1|2 module suite.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 22:39, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

@Trappist the monk: That message shows up at the top of the talk page after entering edit mode for that page. RudolfRed (talk) 23:07, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I guess that I've seen it so often that I don't see it. No matter; Help talk:Citation Style 1 is still the place to go for questions regarding the cs1|2 module suite.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 23:09, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

And that notice box is now suppressed.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 15:38, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

August 1

Help with WP.1.0 Assessment

I tried to get the Philippine politics task force to have an assessment box, including adding a template request to Template:Tambayan Philippines, and creating categories, yet there isn't a mention of the task force in the WP.1.0 website, any help will be accepted.

Thanks, 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 01:45, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

usa federal government

where are your preapprovals from the above referenced? 100.19.134.49 (talk) 01:49, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Can you add more information about this? 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 01:50, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. I have no idea what this means. Are you sure that it is a question about editing Wikipedia? That is the only thing that this page is about. ColinFine (talk) 15:42, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

1992 Olympic Dream Team

Statistic show Charles Barkley as starting 4 games, I love Sir Charles but he did not. Charles started against Croatia (pool game), Brazil, and Lithuania. Karl Malone started against Angola, Germany, Puerto Rico, and Croatia(Gold medal game). WDavidD (talk) 02:02, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: 1992 United States men's Olympic basketball team

@WDavidD: If you have suggestions to improve an article, you can start a discussion on that article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 02:47, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

This is apparently about the GS column at 1992 United States men's Olympic basketball team#Olympic statistics. Every column has an unexplained abbreviaton but the GS numbers go from 0 to 8 and add up to 40 = 5×8 so it has to be Games Started or some variation. Another section uses the source [4] which says "Chuck started Michael and Magic every game and then rotated the other three. Pippen would start one game, Mullin would start the next. Robinson and Ewing would alternate; Malone and Barkley would alternate." Malone and Barkley are both listed as starting 4 of 8 games so they match that source (if "alternate" means switch every game), but some of the other players don't. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:36, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

@WDavidD:, there were evidently 8 games, but you have only mentioned 7, omitting Spain. Logic suggests that Barkley must also have started against Spain. The source quoted by PrimeHunter supports this. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.2.67.235 (talk) 13:18, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

This source for the Spain game has a legend indicating * for starters. No player on either team has an asterisk so I guess both teams started the game without players in an attempt to confuse the opposing players. The unusual strategy failed when there was nobody to confuse. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:10, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

How does anyone get a Wikipedia page?

How does anyone get a Wikipedia page? Dennis Littrell (talk) 03:40, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

@Dennis Littrell: First, the person must become notable, as Wikipedia defines the term: see WP:N, and specifically WP:BIO. Then someone that is not associated with the person maust choose to write an article. Not the person: see WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. -Arch dude (talk) 03:45, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Das Agile Manifest

Es ist vor 15 Minuten auf Wikipedia verschwunden Blaxown (talk) 03:59, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

@Blaxown: If this is about something on the Engish Wikipedia, please post in English and be more clear about what you are asking (something existed 15 minutes ago? if I did Google translate right). If you are having trouble with the German Wikipedia, you can ask for help there de:Wikipedia:Fragen_zur_Wikipedia RudolfRed (talk) 04:48, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

English: The Agile Manifesto 185.104.138.71 (talk) 05:10, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Special:CentralAuth/Blaxown shows this post is your only saved page to any Wikipedia language or Wikimedia wiki, and your account doesn't exist at the German Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:09, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

There was an article called Agile Manifesto in English Wikipedia, but since 2010-08-14 it has been redirected to Agile software development#The Agile Manifesto. ColinFine (talk) 15:49, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Unable to move my article from Sandbox to main page

I am creating a page for Archana Kapoor. I have uploaded the whole article and added all the references and citations, but I am unable to move my article from Sandbox to the main page. Please help. Archana Kapoor (talk) 11:52, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

First, User:Archana Kapoor, how are you related to Archana Kapoor? (Are you her? Have you been paid to create an article about her? Etc.) Once this is cleared up, there's quite a list of things that need to be done to User:Archana Kapoor/sandbox before there's any hope of promoting this draft to article status. -- Hoary (talk) 12:15, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Advice on indef block given at Wikipedia:Teahouse#Unable to move my article from Sandbox to main page. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 16:01, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Category:Actors who committed suicide

Patrick Bergin is still alive! 2A02:1810:2D36:B000:D964:8A50:5EB8:48EE (talk) 11:58, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

This was on the Simple English Wikipedia. I've fixed it. There seems to have been some fun and games here.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 12:05, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Secure a "celebrity" super model page

Hi, I am trying to help my friend Fabio Mancini's page to be secure. When he asked , the page removed his profile picture and all kinds of warnings. He is retired from being a TOP model and is active in helping the world but his page has been tampered with. Can you help secure the data ? Sandrajean11 (talk) 14:26, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

@Sandrajean11, please take the time to read WP:COI and WP:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. We do protect articles sometimes, but for reasons per WP:PROTECT. You are welcome to suggest content and WP:RS at Talk:Fabio Mancini. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:52, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Fabio Mancini has a Wikipedia article, but I doubt that it meets WP:GNG. It also looks as though WP:COI may have been involved here, as the tone is promotional. See also WP:OWN.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 15:06, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

@Sandrajean11, I'm afraid you appear to have a (very common) misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. Wikipedia's article about your friend is not in any way his property, or under his control, or for his benefit (except incidentally). ColinFine (talk) 15:52, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Template:Wikisource

Templates such as these—{{Wikisource}} in 'Further reading sections', etc.—default to the right-hand side, but is it possible to place them on the left? ——Serial Number 54129 16:13, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Template:Wikisource-inline formats the information like other entries in a bulleted list. Is that what you want? Deor (talk) 16:49, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Deor. Not quite; just to get the box to sit on the left of the page rather than the right. It seems slightly odd that it defaults to the opposite side of the page to that which English is automatically read from? ——Serial Number 54129 17:43, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

I think the intent is to have it the way it is on Apollo 11 § External links, with the box next to other text. But in any case, you can pass |position=left to put it on the left instead. Assuming the other sister project templates also pass on that parameter to {{sister project}}, they should work the same way. Rummskartoffel 17:57, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Of course, thanks Rummskartoffel makes sense now. Cheers! SerialNumber54129 18:14, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Claude McKay

The poet Claude McKay was born in 1889, not in 1890. We are propagating inaccurate information. Please see these sources for confirmation: [5]; [6]; [7]; [8]. If you agree I'll change his year of birth accordingly to his birth certificate. 2A02:B023:F02:5152:F9A1:57FC:4DED:B604 (talk) 16:17, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

You will likely be reverted with a recommendation that you see footnote #1:

As Cooper's authoritative biography explains, McKay's family predated his birth a year to make him eligible to be a student teaching assistant at his eldest brother's school, a fact McKay only learned from his sister Rachel in 1920 -- leading some sources to erroneously date his birth to 1889

. In any case, this isn't the right place for this content discussion: The article talk page is intended for that. ——Serial Number 54129 16:40, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

@Serial Number 54129 yes, but this 2022 biography [9] explain that he was actually born in 1889 after the discover of his birth certificate. 2A02:B023:F02:5152:F9A1:57FC:4DED:B604 (talk) 16:43, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

WP:DOB says "If multiple independent reliable sources state differing years or dates of birth in conflict, include all birth dates/years for which a reliable source exists, clearly noting discrepancies." TSventon (talk) 16:47, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Not unreasonable, Claude McKay is dead though. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:28, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Although WP:DOB is part of WP:Biographies of living persons, it has a footnote linking to a village pump discussion about Vernon Jarrett, which was not a BLP either. TSventon (talk) 18:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

It does seem to be in the common sense direction. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:10, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

I like the thoroughness of Wikipedia:When sources are wrong for things like this. Folly Mox (talk) 10:17, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Making infoboxes appear in one section

I've noticed a lot of US election articles contain multiple infoboxes and that those infoboxes will spill into other sections (like in 2006 United States House of Representatives elections in Texas), often resulting in infoboxes going on past the references list and making the page less visually appealing. I was wondering if there is a way to lock infoboxes into their respective section, so that the section itself expands for the infobox and the infobox doesn't spill into other sections, as reducing image sizes will only work to a point. Thanks! Incognito melon (talk) 17:48, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Incognito melon, I think what you are looking for is Template:Clear, which stops new text until the previous image/table is complete. The only problem is that it can lead to lots of blank space, which other people find unappealing - best wishes - Arjayay (talk) 17:53, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

This is indeed what I was looking for, thanks! Incognito melon (talk) 17:58, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Why do so many of your editors incorrectly say that books are "entitled"?

The subject line says it all. Why do so many of your editors not know that a book is "titled" -- not "entitled"? For as bad as you all are about gatekeeping Wikipedia, I would at least expect ALL OF YOU to know basic vocabulary. 38.101.16.250 (talk) 17:56, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps they read it in a dictionary? [10][11] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:23, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa Sång's response says it all. Why do so many of those people keen to disparage others' use of English not first carry out reality checks? Try for example "On the Rightful Use of 'Entitle'" (Merriam-Webster). And of course there's Nabokov's "On a Book Entitled Lolita". -- Hoary (talk) 22:19, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Feedback for Choosing text color/background

Hi just a feedback. Its good to have a dark mode, but the white text is still too sharp, would be good to have greyer text so it dun stand out so much. Its even better if one can choose the shading grey level or color for text/background, maybe even a few would be nice. 110.235.121.124 (talk) 22:14, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi IP editor. You are probably aware of the Project Page WP:Dark mode for this recently-introduced feature. I'm sure the developers would welcome feedback and suggestions on its Talk Page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:32, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

sub-subcategories and pages in a category

I'm new to working with categories and have read some of the relevant WP pages (e.g., WP:CAT). Am I correct in understanding that if the page for category A includes both B and C as subcategories, but C is itself a subcategory of B, then C should be removed as a subcategory of A? Similarly, if P appears as a page in category A, but P is also a page in subcategory B, then P should be removed as a page of A? I'm asking because I see some of this cropping up on Category:Donald Trump page, and I want to make sure that I understand the rules correctly before removing some of the contents on that page. Thanks! FactOrOpinion (talk) 22:16, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

In general, an article or category-page should only be in the most-specific relevant subcategory(ies), not also the parent-category(ies) of those subcats. However, there are some cats that do not follow that pattern (articles being placed in both the specific subcat and also the parent cat). Which way to handle it is based on the specific cats themselves. These ideas are discussed in the WP:SUBCAT subsections of the WP:CAT guideline, with the key term of "diffusing". DMacks (talk) 03:42, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

I did reread that section more carefully, but I'm not sure whether I fully understand how to determine if a subcategory is non-diffusing. None of the subcategories in question have a {{Non-diffusing subcategory}} template on them. Perhaps it would help if I go into the specifics. Right now, in Category:Donald Trump, the subcategories include all of the following (along with other subcategories): Members of the defense counsel for the second impeachment trial of Donald Trump‎, even though it is a subcategory of Donald Trump attorneys‎, which is in turn a subcategory of Donald Trump litigation‎, which is in turn a subcategory of Donald Trump controversies‎. I'm pretty certain that I should remove Members of the defense counsel for the second impeachment trial of Donald Trump as a subcategory of Category:Donald Trump, but am less certain about whether I should also remove Donald Trump attorneys‎ and Donald Trump litigation‎, given that these are all subcategories of Donald Trump controversies‎, which would remain. Similarly, the page E. Jean Carroll v. Donald J. Trump is listed, even though it's a page within both Donald Trump litigation‎ and Donald Trump controversies‎; my impression is that I should remove this page from Category:Donald Trump. These are the kinds of things that I'm trying to get a handle on. Thanks again, FactOrOpinion (talk) 11:07, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

An additional question: I noticed that on the Category:Donald Trump page, an editor's sandbox (User:YassifiedAndSlaying/sandbox) shows up as a page in the category. This editor has placed a number of categories at the bottom of his sandbox page, perhaps not realizing that his sandbox now appears as a page in those categories. I saw that another editor edited his sandbox page, adding

This page will be placed in the following categories if it is moved to the article namespace.

Categories:

…

around some other categories. Is it acceptable to edit someone’s sandbox, and is that particular edit the way to make sure that the person’s sandbox doesn’t appear as a page in those categories? Thanks. FactOrOpinion (talk) 16:45, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

FactOrOpinion *Generally* it is not appropriate to edit someone elses non-talk pages in their area of userspace, *BUT*, removing the pieces that put them into main is a *well* established exceptions. See WP:USERNOCAT and WP:DRAFTNOCAT. The most appropriate way is to use Template:Draft categories around it, but I've also seen simply adding <!-- and --> around the entire thing which is what I sometimes do (and I did for the sandbox in question.

There is even a mostly weekly report generated at Wikipedia:Database reports/Polluted categories and Wikipedia:Database reports/Polluted categories (2) which actually finds categories which have both mainspace and draftspace (or mainspace and userspace) members. So yes, a definitely appropriate use for the mop bucketNaraht (talk) 17:07, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Oops, I see that some mark-up that I included has been replaced by its effect (which I hadn't anticipated, but now makes sense to me). I'm not sure how to show the mark-up itself. Let me try again: ((draft categories| …)) but replacing the parentheses with braces. FactOrOpinion (talk) 16:50, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

FactOrOpinion, you can use {{t|draft categories}} to produce {{draft categories}}. Rummskartoffel 17:52, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

August 2

Wiki Page is having false information

Hello,

the following wiki page is not true and having false information in all categories as projected. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Rajinikanth_Vellalacheruvu Who is approving this false content to public. Who is the leagal authority to publish such kind of false information. 49.204.201.230 (talk) 10:52, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

IP editor. that's a draft article that has not yet even been submitted for approval. If you believe it contains false information, then you are free to provide reliably sourced additions and to remove anything that is not sourced. We have a strict policy for biographies of living people which any accepted article has to meet. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:22, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

That policy explicity does include drafts. So any unsourced contentious claims can and should be removed. Which claims in particular were you concerned about IP editor? -- D'n'B-t -- 14:07, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

IP user, I would suggest that you read WP:TRUTH. 331dot (talk) 14:14, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Repeatedly occurrence of Vandalised activity while utilising undo method for wrong intentions

Hi i am recently invected a mass turbulence activity to vandalise article Sodhi, leading by two main account believe to be sock accounts @khatri20 amd @User:Rangreta20 Note•User:Rangreta20 was currently banned due its abducting behaviour and abusing the guidelines of WP:RV But soon after his banned the second master keep such miserable activity even got a warning notification 117.214.152.98 (talk) 15:00, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

There does not appear to be a Khatri20 registered on the English Wikipedia. GMG^talk 15:03, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

But there is a User:Khatri2903, registered today that appears to be a WP:SPA who is making many changes to that article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:07, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

it does not matter if i am registered today,i have provided good sources with supplementary sources to dispute the false claim stated in article.

The article mentioned Gurus names and 7 gurus strictly belonged to Sodhi Khatri caste and primary source is their writings.

The direct descendant family also claims Khatri status , you are undoing edits based on a based on a single line written in a contemporary book by non native non-historian. Khatri2903 (talk) 16:57, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Documentaries

Why is the music on public documentaries so loud? It is very hard to hear the narrator speaking. It includes National Geographic, and the Smithsonian documentaries. Please, can something be done about this? Many watchers will switch off those shows. Thank you CThelma (talk) 15:49, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

@CThelma This is the Help Desk for Wikipedia only. We cannot usually help with anything else. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:05, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

@CThelma. You need to contact the show's producers. In the meantime I suggest turning on subtitles. Shantavira|^{feed me} 17:28, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Try asking at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Entertainment, instead. -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 19:36, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Images as background

Sup all. Is it possible, then, to use an image as background, for example, in a quote box, instead of, e.g., #A1b2c3D4? Not for article space; was thinking for barnstars, userspace malarky. TIA! SerialNumber54129 15:52, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

@Serial Number 54129 See Help:Pictures#Overlaying_annotations_on_an_image. You can even load text over images in articles. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:03, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Mike Turnbull, what an age we live in  :) thanks very much for the help, it's greatly appreciated! SerialNumber54129 16:14, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

But if you are considering doing this, please make sure you're familiar with MOS:ACCESS, even outside article space. ColinFine (talk) 22:24, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

RE Creating a page

hi can i create a page for my football club i run Bury Bowl Football Club? Clarky71980 (talk) 18:21, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

@Clarky71980 The technical answer is "yes" provided you use the articles for creation process. However, as you are a new user I would strongly advise against trying until you have much more experience on Wikipedia. You would need to show that your club is wikinotable, which I suspect will be very difficult. Also, you have a conflict of interest, which makes things even more difficult. If you are paid to run the club, there is a mandatory declaration you must make. Please read WP:PAID and the other pages I have linked. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:32, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Clarky71980. I absolutely concur with what Mike Turnbull says; but I will add something.

If you decided to edit primarily in order to learn enough to make an article about your club, you might be disappointed. I suggest that you bear in mind that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.

Unless you are confident that at least three sources exist about the club that each meet all three criteria in WP:42, you are not going to be able to write an acceptable article on it.

On the other hand, if you want to contribute to Wikipedia on subjects other than your club, you will be very welcome. ColinFine (talk) 22:32, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

notability of a living author

I'm thinking of writing my first article about a living author who has published several mysteries which have been reviewed in many reputable publications but there's not much published about her apart from book reviews available other than an interview in a magazine focused on the genre. My question is: do book reviews count when considering notability? They are about her books, not about her. (I swear I saw her name in red on a list somewhere on Wikipedia but now I can't find it.) Ugh, I keep forgetting the tildas! Itsagazornum (talk) 18:44, 2 August 2024 (UTC) Itsagazornum (talk) 18:42, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Itsagazornum Book reviews can contribute to notability, see WP:CREATIVE. Youy may have seen a list of red links at Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red, which is a good place to ask for help in writing articles about women. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TSventon (talk • contribs) 18:56, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Fixing ping to Itsagazornum Rummskartoffel 19:34, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks so much! Very helpful. Itsagazornum (talk) 19:45, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

August 3

Boobapedia

I was trying to find sources for the Booba (show) article but I suddenly found Boobapedia, is this counted as a reliable source and is it related to MediaWiki of some sort? 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 10:37, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

@TheNuggeteer That's a Wiki, so no. Its "about" page makes it clear that any user can add content. Its the same reason that you can't cite Wikipedia as a reliable source. If that website itself cites sources, then you can sometimes use these after checking they are valid. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:43, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

When will be my wikipage shown on Google SERP?

I have created a wikipage ie Indapur, Raigad on 26th July 2024. This page is visible on wikipedia, but not on Google search result. The current Assessment status is shown Unknown. Pranay030 (talk) 11:12, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

@Pranay030 Articles are not indexed by search engines until reviewed by the New pages patrol, or until they have been in mainspace for 90 days. NPP is heavily backlogged at present, as you will see from the link. If you had used the WP:AfC process, the article would have been marked as reviewed when accepted. Some experienced editors are WP:Autopatrolled. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:26, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

@Pranay030: You should add it to Template:Raigad district. It wil make it easier to find for Wikipedia users, and also search engines when we allow it. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:40, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

How to deal with the inconsistencies in Security Council membership maps

I'm trying to fix problems in the series of images UNSC <year>.svg (e.g. File:UNSC 2023.svg), and I'm not sure how best to go about it. These images show the UN Security Council membership in a given year on a world map. There’s one for each year going back to 1967. (The ones before 2010 have different names.) I want to make the following improvements:

• Disputed territories are treated inconsistently. Some maps show Taiwan as part of China (e.g. File:UNSC 2022.svg), some don't (e.g. File:UNSC 2023.svg); some show Crimea as part of Russia (e.g. File:UNSC 2022.svg), some don't (e.g. File:UNSC 2023.svg). IMHO, the maps should follow UN practice, which is to treat Taiwan as part of China but to reject Russia's claim to Crimea; but whatever they show, it should be consistent across the years.
• Nominal file sizes differ. Some maps specify 2,754 × 1,398 pixels (e.g. File:UNSC 2023.svg), some 1,104 × 566 pixels (e.g. File:UNSC 2020.svg), some 940 × 415 pixels (e.g. File:UNSC 2011.svg).
• Correlated with the different nominal sizes are slight graphical differences. The smaller maps use a lighter shade of gray and draw the map border either more strongly or not at all.
• The maps were apparently coloured using Inkscape, dispersing lots of changes throughout the file. That makes it unnecessarily difficult to assess what’s being coloured and to change it consistently. It would be much preferable to just have two CSS styles at the top, for permanent and non-permanent members, so that for instance a decision on the treatment of disputed territories could easily be applied to all the maps by a simple one-line change using a text editor or shell script.

The maps File:UNSC 2024.svg and File:UNSC 2025.svg were missing; I created them based on File:BlankMap-World.svg, using simple CSS styles at the top and following UN practice (as described above). I have a script that can automatically generate these for all years. I also wanted to upload new versions of the existing maps but then realized that I don’t have permission to do that and that it might not conform with commons:COM:OVERWRITE ("Changes to a file that are likely to be contested should be uploaded to a separate filename" – I guess changing the treatment of disputed territories might be contested). But uploading these new maps to separate filenames seems like a bad solution. I’m in the process of standardizing the infoboxes of the articles on Security Council elections (which use these maps) using templates (see e.g. 2022 United Nations Security Council election). When I’m done with that, switching to a different series of filenames would be a simple change in the template. But these maps are also used in other projects – about three uses per map on average (e.g. File:UNSC_2019.svg#globalusage). Those would remain inconsistent; or, if all those uses were switched to the new files, the effect would be the same as overwriting the old files, just with a lot more work. There must be some other way to fix something like this than to engage in discussions in a dozen different language projects until there’s a consensus for the change in all of them. Would it be an option to overwrite the files and leave messages in the other projects about the change so they can restore the previous version if they don’t agree with the change? Any advice on how to proceed would be much appreciated. Joriki (talk) 11:28, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Technology

I want to create a robot 41.113.102.238 (talk) 15:05, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Assuming you are referring to a Wikipedia editing bot, you will first need to create an account, then carefully read Wikipedia:Bots and Help:Creating a bot. Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:26, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia Information and Subject Pages

How does one request the addition of, or create content to be added to Wikipedia? Info requested would be biographical and career related in nature for a well known, previously published and promoted artist that passed away in 2022. It appears from the FAQ that I can create a page based on previously available and quotable info. How best to begin?

thank you. AGBRUNO58 (talk) 15:24, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Anybody may create an article in Wikipedia; but My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft.

Creating an article begins with finding suitable sources to establish that the subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability: if such sources do not exist, then attempting to create an article about the person will be a waste of everybody's time. Note that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. ColinFine (talk) 15:37, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Mistakes in the article Notes on Muscovite Affairs

The article contains several notable errors, which I corrected, but my corrections were not accepted and I was warned that my actions could damage the content of the article. I was directed to the article's talk page to discuss my comments, but no one responded to my request. All errors remain in the article:

1. The article declares that Muscovy was one of the states into which Kyivan Rus broke up. This statement is false. Leaving the name "Kyivvan Rus", which appeared only in the 19th century, out of parentheses, I should note that the disintegration of Rus' dates back to the 11th century, while the first mention of Moscow dates back to 1147 - the 12th century. Moreover, the Muscovite State did not exist then. The Muscovite state emerged in the 13th century and strengthened during Horde rule. 2. Herberstein distinguished the concept of Russia (to which he attributed the territory of the former Rus' - modern Ukraine - within the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and the Crown of Poland) and Muscovy - the state under the rule of the Moscow princes which became a core of the Russian Empire and modern Russia, which was reflected in his notes. Therefore, the identification of Muscovy with Russia in this article is incorrect. According to this logic, the concept of Rus' (or according to the author's reading "Kievan Rus") should be replaced by Ukraine. And everywhere in the text of the article "Russian" regarding "Kievan Rus'" should be replaced by "Ukrainian" (for example, Ukrainian principalities). As we can see, the identification of concepts "for convenience" provokes confusion and factual errors in the future. 3. Accordingly, it is incorrect to write that Herberstein was sent with a mission to Russia. After all, Russia did not exist then. It would be more accurate to write that he was sent to Muscovy (now Russia). The same applies to the "Russian Tsar" or the Russians. Local people and the Tsar of Muscovy were more appropriate.

I would appreciate any help on this case! 2603:7081:4700:3A62:C57B:BC70:34A9:DFF5 (talk) 15:57, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

It is not very likely that anybody reading this page has any particular knowledge about this subject.

If you look at the history of the article Notes on Muscovite Affairs, you will see that @Mellk reverted your edits with the comment "Unsourced changes" - twice (which means that you were edit warring, by reintroducing them without discussion: see WP:BRD). As far as I can tell, that is what they meant by "disruptive editing": not the content of your edit but the fact that you introduced information without citing sources, and repeated this.

You did the right thing by opening a discussion on the article's talk page; but since you didn't ping any editors, it is quite possible that nobody has seen the discussion.

I have pinged Mellk here; and it might be a good idea to put a note on WT:WikiProject Russia pointing to the discussion on the talk page. ColinFine (talk) 21:10, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Article unable to edit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews The first line reads: The Jews (Hebrew: יְהוּדִים‎, ISO 259-2: Yehudim, Israeli pronunciation: [jehuˈdim]) or Jewish people are an ethnoreligious group[12] and nation[13]

The word Jews has nothing to the with the notion of 'nation'.

Can someone fix to delete the phase 'and nation'? Please keep what is written on wiki scholarly. Thank you. 98.110.167.14 (talk) 19:22, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

The statement is backed up by citations to no fewer than five sources. The article is doing what it is supposed to do, and summarising what reliable sources say.

If you think that it is not accurately representing those sources, or you have other reliable mainstream sources which say something different, please open a discussion on the article's talk page. But I suggest you read carefully the discussions already on that talk page. ColinFine (talk) 21:17, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Your objection seems to assume that there is "the notion of 'nation'", which in turn suggests that such a notion is singular, that there don't also exist alternative notions. But please read and digest the discussion "Jews are.....a nation". -- Hoary (talk) 21:38, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

I need help

I had a notification from Italian Wikipedia, and I clicked a blue button, and now I can’t find it. Can you please recover my notification? Ramekin99 (talk) 19:59, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

I clicked the button accidentally if that helps. I don’t know what the button was called or what it does. Ramekin99 (talk) 19:59, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Ramekin99 if you get a notification from another Wikipedia you can go to that Wikipedia and check your old notifications. It is not saved in en Wikipedia. The notification may be about an automatic welcome message on your talk page. TSventon (talk) 20:28, 3 August 2024 (UTC)