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Infant school is currently an Education good article nominee. Nominated by Llewee (talk) at 16:36, 6 December 2023 (UTC) An editor has indicated a willingness to review the article in accordance with the good article criteria. Further reviews are welcome from any editor who has not contributed significantly to this article (or nominated it), and can be added to the review page, but the decision whether or not to list the article as a good article should be left to the first reviewer. Short description: School for young children |
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Nominator: Llewee (talk · contribs) 16:36, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
Reviewer: Rollinginhisgrave (talk · contribs) 07:24, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
I'll take this on over the next few days. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 07:24, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
General comments
[edit]I'll be adding comments as I go. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 07:50, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
Started review, looking good, just some clarifications needed so far and some clarity in the lede on the subject. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 07:50, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
I'll leave this for a bit so you can make some corrections, as some issues persist through the article and should be cleared up before I'm evaluating the material (attribution, glosses, clarity of paragraphs etc.) Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 10:01, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hello Rollinginhisgrave I hope the article is now in better state, I have tidied up the first two sections and made some additions.--Llewee (talk) 23:24, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
Prose and content
[edit]Lede
[edit]An infant school is a term which is used predominantly in England and Wales. It has been used since the 19th century to refer to schools or school departments that cater for children up to seven years old.
→An infant school is a term used predominantly in England and Wales to refer to schools or school departments for children up to seven years old.
- The lede shouldn't highlight that it's a term. It is notable that it is a distinct concept, rather than just a English and Welsh term for something that exists everywhere/elsewhere.
- done--Llewee (talk) 13:43, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Why is Scotland mentioned for its historical use? It is discussed less than other historical examples.
- Scotland plays quite a prominent role in the early part of article so I felt the intro should prepare readers for that.--Llewee (talk) 13:49, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
They offered safety
Clarify what safety means here.
Terminology
[edit]In England, Reception is considered part of the Early Years Foundation Stage
Make it clear that this is part of Infant School
- I have added age ranges to emphasise this point--Llewee (talk) 14:11, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
junior primary schools
What are these?"first class" or even "second class"
What are these?
- I'm not hugely familiar with the Irish education system but I have added some detail from the sources.--Llewee (talk) 14:11, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
Background
[edit]- Gloss:
David Salmon and...
,climbing boy
traditionally been seen as best that the fairly limited group of children who have tended to have access to schooling historically
traditionally and historically duplicate each other.
- I have taken out traditionally.--Llewee (talk) 14:35, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
Interest developed in expanded access to education
date this / "at this time"
- done--Llewee (talk) 14:35, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
older than six or usually seven
age six and up or seven and up?
- Both age ranges were used. The source comments
Whenever popular education was discussed in Parliament ‘school age’ was defined as six to twelve or seven to thirteen, usually the latter; and this was the age range for whom the voluntary societies aimed to provide schools.
--Llewee (talk) 14:35, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Both age ranges were used. The source comments
Early infant schools
[edit]but it was introduced with the aim that it would not be the focus of instruction at this age
I don't think this makes sense
- I have replaced the details about the New Lanark school with information from a more recent book.--Llewee (talk) 17:31, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
It promoted the founding of new infant schools but had less success in training teachers.
succeeded in promoting?
- Yes, done--Llewee (talk) 20:26, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
across England, the philosophy
need conjunction, unsure which.
- I have broken it in to two sentences--Llewee (talk) 21:19, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
The years after 1811 saw a sharp
is this during the push for infant schools or is what they were responding to?
- I think coincided. The argument given by Roberts is that there were lots of small children causing a nuisance in Britain at the time which encouraged wealthy people to try and provide something for them to do.--Llewee (talk) 23:15, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
T.B Stephens is sceptical of it
of the effectiveness of the movement?
- Yes, done--Llewee (talk) 22:52, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
Whitbread comments that teachers, who were largely untrained and under pressure from the lack of time children had to attend school, often focused on introducing children to discipline and formal instruction.
Stuff like this doesn't need attribution.
- done--Llewee (talk) 22:52, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
increasingly established control over infant
increasingly controlled?
- I have taken this bit out as it wasn't really relevant.--Llewee (talk) 22:52, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
shared this view of their function
What view?
- I have replaced this with something clearer.--Llewee (talk) 22:52, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
suggests
What do you mean when you write suggests? Are they arguing it? Are they revealing it? Do you think it is controversial?
- I have changed "suggests that the early infant schools offered" to "comments". The previous couple of sentences are contradictory arguments by two different authors so are introduced as "argues".--Llewee (talk) 22:52, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
regardless of their limitations
What limitations are being referred to here?
Professionalisation and expansion
[edit]- Glosses: monitorial system
- I have added a brief explanation.--Llewee (talk) 13:42, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- The 1845 Fletcher quote is redundant if you're going to sum it up in prose.
- I added the explanation because I felt that the way he words it was slightly confusing but I have taken the explanation out now.--Llewee (talk) 13:42, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
"Are the replies of the children made intelligently or mechanically or by rote ? Do they appear to have confidence in their master or mistress [teacher] and to regard them with affection?"
is it Roberts saying this?
- It's more questions from the guidance, I've added "for example" before them to try and make that clearer.--Llewee (talk) 13:42, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
especially from those who wanted an early start to academic education
I wouldn't summarise the following quote into this.
- Turner makes that point and uses the quote as an example so I have removed the quote and kept the point.--Llewee (talk) 13:42, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
The Glasgow Herald reported on a local infant school in 1835...
Is this just saying the Glasgow Herald supported the purpose of cheerfulness? This whole paragraph feels like it doesn't have a clear thing being communicated, it needs better links between sentences.
- I think the problem here is that the two paragraphs had collapsed into each other. Is it sorted now?--Llewee (talk) 23:19, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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