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Civil parish[edit]

Durham will be a civil parish called "City of Durham" from 1 April 2018[1]. I'll wait until it comes through Mapit before adding it. Unparished area and the Commons category will need to be updated when this happens. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:02, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I see this is already mentioned, I will add the rest when Mapit shows it. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:07, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Done Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:56, 20 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Climate[edit]

Not sure if the total rainfall of the year is correct: 1445.7 rather than 1445.4 in the table. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.234.189.169 (talk) 09:06, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 30 August 2018[edit]

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) The editor whose username is Z0 13:13, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Durham, England → Durham, County Durham – Per WP:UKPLACE: Disambiguation should not normally be to England, Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland, and the fact that "Durham, England" may refer to the county. Compare Boston, Lincolnshire or Reading, Berkshire. feminist (talk) 11:49, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral The county is usually called "County Durham" but the county is officially "Durham". I moved the Commons category to "Durham, County Durham" from "City of Durham, England" which I thought was unsuitable natural disambiguation. However the county is a subsidiary meaning of the city (it is named after it) just like Bury, Greater Manchester and Metropolitan Borough of Bury. If we follow WP:COMMONAME for the county then we have a situation similar to Lincoln, England, in response to Boston, and by that logic we could use Durham, Durham, which would be a bad location. An alternative might be to add some content to the city article per WP:DABCONCEPT and possibly move to just Durham but that may well create too much problems with Durham, North Carolina. I do however Weak oppose to using Durham City as I don't think that's common enough for WP:NATURALDIS. Crouch, Swale (talk) 11:59, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I would also point out that Durham, North Carolina is in Durham County, North Carolina so as well as the Lincoln precedent I don't think this makes things much clearer. Crouch, Swale (talk) 12:03, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Crouch, Swale's finding of the US city and county with the same name. The county name is still problamitc and should probably also get an ", England" added. --Gonnym (talk) 13:56, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The English county's common name is "County Durham" while American county is called "Durham County" similar to River Welland and Welland River, hatnotes should be enough. Crouch, Swale (talk) 14:01, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
While I understand the difference and that hatnotes should help, for me that will never be an OK scenario. A reader not from those places, wouldn't know how the local naming system works, they'll just know that there is a river called Welland and write either style expecting to get to the right one. The "small difference" guideline is just not reader-friendly and is strictly working for the database. --Gonnym (talk) 07:07, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Those looking for the English county will probably search for County Durham and those looking for the American one will use Durham County. I'd point out that Berkshire County doesn't go to Berkshire and Ohio State doesn't go to Ohio. Readers are more likely to have problems when both come up in the search suggestions such as Red meat and Red Meat. My point was just as a minor consideration for those that know Durham, NC is in Durham County could confuse the English city when presented with "Durham, County Durham". Crouch, Swale (talk) 13:37, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - this comes up every once in a while - "Durham, England" was the result of the discussion from 2014 when it was moved from "Durham". Bob talk 14:09, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
opppose. The current name is more compact and natural. Durham, County Durham just seems clumsy and potentially confusing. County Durham does throw up such problems; it’s formally named Durham itself, so "Durham, Durham" would be correct but even more confusing. There are no other Durhams in England, so the current name is clear and unambiguous.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 14:38, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The use of "Durham, Durham" could also conflict with other Durhams that are also in a diversion called Durham. Not to mention that other places in County Durham like Copley, County Durham which could be at just Copley, Durham and even Killerby, County Durham which isn't even in the district. However I don't think anyone is supporting "Durham, Durham" anyway. In addition Durham (city) would conflict with the other cities. I agree with John that the current title is probably the best. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:27, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. As pointed out above, Durham, North Carolina is located in Durham County, North Carolina, so the proposed title is too ambiguous. Rreagan007 (talk) 19:36, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose WP:UKPLACE also states: When the city and county use variants of the same name, disambiguate with England for clarity throughout the English-speaking world; thus Lincoln, England, not Lincoln, Lincolnshire. 'Durham' and 'County Durham' clearly fall under this guideline, so issue has already been decided.Eleanor_of_Aquitaine 23:52, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

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Requested move 20 October 2019[edit]

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jerm (talk) 01:46, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Durham, England → Durham, County Durham – England is a country but Durham is a city in County Durham, which is a non-metropolitan county, England's equivalent of an American state. Euanjohnb (talk) 20:28, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per WP:UKPLACE. "When the city and county use variants of the same name, disambiguate with England for clarity throughout the English-speaking world; thus Lincoln, England, not Lincoln, Lincolnshire." —C.Fred (talk) 18:35, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
As noted the county's official name is "Durham" but as noted we use the country not "state" when overlapping with "state" name and unique in country. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:53, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Is the metropolitan county called 'Durham' or 'County Durham'? Roger 8 Roger (talk) 19:36, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The ceremonial county is "Durham", the unitary authority area is "County Durham". Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:53, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Medieval History[edit]

Prudhoe Castle in Northumberland is a Norman castle that was never taken by the Scots

pop culture[edit]

in pop culture: Roger Whittaker's "leavin'" is about Durham. 2600:6C67:1C00:300:751F:948D:1250:612E (talk) 23:15, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How it’s pronounced[edit]

I would have thought with local northern England English it would be pronounced /ˈdʊrəm/. I would say if so it should be like Newcastle upon Tyne’s, RP (the current /ˈdʌrəm/) and local way of pronouncing the city’s name. Chocolateediter (talk) 21:47, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

}}, locally /ˈdɜːrəm/ listen^ⓘ

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This was removed in Feb 2021. ɜ was from Talk:Durham, England/Archive 1, I am adding a footnote for general northern ʊ since it was brought up by me (from Teesside) and in the archived talk. Chocolateediter (talk) 14:38, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So

locally DIRR-əm, /ˈdɜːrəm/
general northern England English /ˈdʊrəm/ DURR-əm
/ˈdʌrəm/ DAHRR-əm in general southern England. Chocolateediter (talk) 13:27, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Good idea to make the distinction. It certainly is pronounced differently. Where I come from originally, Tyneside, we pronounce it "feckless tossers"! 10mmsocket (talk) 14:15, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]