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Predecessors and Sucessors

The huns formed a state, proto-state under Bleda and Attila. Thats the consensus (even if it was a "robbing state")

So, it should have their predecessors and sucessors¡

For predecessors:

-Since the xiong-Nu connection debate will rage for some time, no mention should be done.

-The Alans, conquered by huns

-The Greuthungi, conquered by huns

-The Thervingi, conquered in part by huns

-Roman Pannonia province: base under Attila

-Perhaps lombards, ruggi,sarmatian, and other conquered tribes

Successors:

-After Nedao:

-The kingdom of the Rugii

-The kingdom of the Gepids

-The kingdom of the Ostrogoths

-A suebian kingdom in the danube.

Bolghars, kutrigurs, utrigurs remain speculative, so no for the moment.

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Missing word in first paragraph

"By 430, they had established a vast, but short-lived, on the Danubian frontier of the Roman empire in Europe"

There seems to be a word missing between "short-lived" and "on" here. I'm guessing it should be either realm, kingdom, confederation etc., but I'm not knowledgeable enough about Hunnic history to say for sure. Can someone with more info add the right word? Lamaredia (talk) 14:28, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. My guess is it was removed by mistake during recent edits.--Ermenrich (talk) 14:44, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oops. That would be my fault indeed. Thanks Ermenrich.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 15:02, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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In the paragraph discussing cranial elongation, taking should be taken. “ with the argument that it was practiced by their nobility and then taking up by Germanic groups” HooterMcGavin (talk) 05:51, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Thanks, HooterMcGavin, well spotted.—Odysseus 1479 06:21, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hungarian links to the Huns

@Andrew Lancaster @Ermenrich you are most active two anti-vandal users in this article. so please look at this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anti-Hungarian_sentiment&diff=prev&oldid=1233467944

User OrionNimrod has an agenda regarding the Huns, aiming to portray them as ancestors of the conquering Hungarians.

He claims that Serb, Slovak, and Romanian nationalists use the slur 'Mongol' against Hungarians due to their "Hun origin." His source does not mention anything about Huns and Hun ancestry.

Nations in Europe with Asian origins, such as the Finns and Turks, are also called 'Mongol' as a slur by foreigners. What evidence supports that Hungarians are descended from the Huns at this point? A medieval myth?

This article also denies any connection between Hungarians and the Huns. He tries to mislead users. 2A02:FF0:3316:5B87:C036:CAEA:45D1:7A01 (talk) 16:15, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, examples from “smart” Romanian nationalists who call Hungarians as “Mongol”:

lhttps://www.hungarianconservative.com/articles/current/romanian_football_fans_andorra_kosovo_anti_hungarian_mocking_greater_hungary_map_uefa_craiova/

Attacking a Hungarian military cemetery in Transylvania, 21 October 2023: https://media.szekelyhon.ro/pictures/0000001/0000095/nn_uzvolgye_2k23_ok_21_pnt_01.jpg “Barbarian Hungarians came from Mongolia and robbed our lands in 1290. After that, the Mongol-Hungarians also brought their families here.”

Asian Huns were in today Mongolia, Hungarian name including the Hun word and medieval documents claim Hungarian Hun connection. It does not matter is true or not in this case, but as we can see the ethnic slur come from this. Asia is very big, and slur for Hungarians is “Mongol” because of that and not “Chinese, Indonesian, Pakistanian, Afgan, Balinese…” OrionNimrod (talk) 18:00, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Such slurs may or may not give an indication of real history, but they are not a reliable source we can use. On WP we summarize what experts have published when writing carefully.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 06:02, 10 July 2024 (UTC) Note that my answer is written on the understanding that this question is about whether such slurs might be relevant to THIS article, which is about the real historical Huns.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 06:04, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Call for comment on Odoacer. Huns were all short?

In this article we have a longer discussion about the history of this generalization. On Odoacer I have called for comment about whether this generalization can simply be used (without such balancing). Andrew Lancaster (talk) 20:07, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]